"No sex before marriage" isn't actually in the Bible, and neither is the single "biblical marriage" purity culture sold us. Jaisa and Rachael sit down with Bible scholar Mattie Mae Motl to ask what scripture really says about sex, gender, and sexuality once you strip away the rules we inherited.

They dig into what "sexual immorality" actually meant (exploitative sex, not premarital sex), how religion has long been used to control women's bodies, and why the body is an access to the divine, not an obstacle to it. Mattie shares her own purity culture upbringing, why "praying the gay away" is harmful, why sexuality is a spectrum, and what the Trevor Project data says about affirming homes. It closes on reading the Bible through love of God and neighbor, raising kids around sex without shame, and a little astrology to send us off.

About our guest: Mattie Mae Motl is a Bible scholar and PhD candidate at the University of St Andrews, a writer, creator, mother, and an openly queer voice in this space.

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Deconstruction isn't a crisis of faith, it's a process, and it turns out that process has stages. this week jaisa and rachael walk through the five researched stages of faith deconstruction and reconstruction, and share where they've each landed.

It starts with the catalyst, the wound or question or piece of biblical history that first makes you pause. then questioning and research, where the anxiety of "is any of this true?" lives. then grief, because deconstruction really does cost you certainty, community, and the version of god you were handed. then deconstruction proper, where you decide what stays and read scripture through the fourfold lens the early church used. and finally reconstruction or release, and the question underneath all of it: what does faith look like when it's chosen, not inherited?

Wherever you are in it, you're exactly where you're supposed to be.

Go deeper on the fourfold lens: we break it down through the hot-button Christian topics in our ebook.

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Episode 80: Finding Her Voice: How Songwriting & Healing Led to True Faith w/ Alana Springsteen 

Episode 63: How Studying Buddhism Can Deepen a Jesus Centered Faith w/ Zach Helton 

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Our friend Joash P. Thomas is back on Spirit Outspoken. He's a priest, a public theologian, and the author of The Justice of Jesus, and this conversation goes deep into mysticism, empire, and the parts of church history nobody taught us in Sunday school.

We start with Mother Mary. Joash opens up about his own mystical experiences with her, and how becoming open to acknowledging the saints can be such a beautiful, supplemental expansion of our faith. From there we talk guardian angels, patron saints, and the communion of saints described in Hebrews 12.

Then we go deeper into history. Joash walks us through the colonial roots of empire, including the surprising, colonial era origin of the phrase "the Great Commission," and why understanding that history frees us from the pressure to convert anyone to our way of thinking. The beauty in what he reveals brings us back to the whole point of the gospels, which is simply to love.

If you've ever felt like your mysticism and your Christianity were at odds, or wondered where some of these teachings actually came from, this episode is for you.

Topics covered: Mother Mary and mystical experience, guardian angels and patron saints, the communion of saints, the colonial history of empire and the Great Commission, and rediscovering love as the true point of the gospel.

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Episode 55: Decolonizing the Church: The Justice of Jesus w/ Joash P Thomas

Episode 86: When the Church Gave Permission for Colonization

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In this episode, Jaisa and Rachael break down one of astrology's most misunderstood placements and why it might be the most important one you've never paid attention to.  Your moon sign,  who you are when the performance is over. When you're home. When nobody's watching.

They start with the science. The moon pulls ocean tides. It raises and lowers the earth's crust by 30 centimeters. It shifts human sleep cycles, hormonal patterns, and psychiatric episodes. If the moon can do all of that to physical matter, what is it doing to the 60% water that makes up your body?

Then Jaisa shares a stunning synchronicity. A divine appointment that literally stopped traffic to connect her with another cancer mom, and how her moon omens reading that same night explained every single moment of it in real time.

From there they walk through all 12 moon signs. The core emotional need of each one. What it looks like when you're thriving in it. And what happens when you're not.

You'll leave this episode knowing yourself in a completely different way.

This is astrology as a tool for spiritual self-understanding. Not fortune-telling. Not witchcraft. Just a language, one that God can use to speak to you, if you let Him.

In this episode:

•The real science behind how the moon affects your body, your sleep, and your emotions

•Jaisa’s story of divine intervention through a drawbridge in Duluth

•The difference between your sun sign and your moon sign, and why the moon hits different

•A full breakdown of all 12 moon signs: healthy, unhealthy, and what your core need really is

•How understanding moon signs transforms your relationships, your parenting, and your self-compassion

Find your moon sign:  grab your birth date, birth city, and birth time and run a free birth chart at cafeastrology.com

If you enjoyed this episode be sure to check out:

Episode 62: Using Astrology & Numerology to Reflect and Grow

Episode 82: How to Love and Care for Every Enneagram Type

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Jaisa's son's tumor took up ninety percent of his chest. Seven days later, it was gone.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Jason Yuan, a naturopathic physician and acupuncturist who has spent years studying the human biofield, the energy field that modern science can measure but still can't fully explain. We break down a groundbreaking study from MD Anderson Cancer Center, where visualization based healing methods reduced cancer spread in mice by fifty percent, and talk about what that means for the future of medicine.

We also explore the biblical roots of energy healing, including what Jesus may have meant by laying on of hands, and Jaisa shares her own story of watching her son's tumor disappear during his cancer treatment. This conversation sits right at the intersection of faith, science, and mysticism, and it might change how you think about healing.

In this episode, we cover:

• What the human biofield is and how science is beginning to measure it
• The MD Anderson study on biofield therapies and pancreatic cancer cells
• The difference between the Bengston Healing Method, Reiki, acupuncture, and other energy healing practices
• Laying on of hands as one of the oldest recorded healing practices in history
• Jaisa's personal story of her son's cancer diagnosis and recovery
• How energy healing and Christian faith can coexist without contradiction

About our guest:
Dr. Jason Yuan is a naturopathic physician and acupuncturist specializing in integrative and functional medicine. He also practices and teaches biofield therapies, drawing on his own healing journey with chronic eczema to help others explore the connection between energy, consciousness, and health.

Follow Dr. Jayson on Instagram @Dr. Jayson Yuan ND. LAc.

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Episode 19: The Power of Intention Part I

Episode 20: The Power of Intention Part II

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Abortion and homosexuality. If you grew up in conservative Christianity, you know these are the two issues. The ones that decide votes. The ones churches will not bend on. But what if neither issue started out as the point?

This is part three of our series on the church’s role in building white supremacy in America. In part one, we traced colonization and slavery. In part two, we covered Jim Crow and the civil rights era. In this episode, we follow that same through line of racism forward to the political strategy that focused conservative Christians on abortion and homosexuality, in order to secure the conservative Christian vote and keep the right people in office to uphold segregation.

This episode wraps up our current series on the Christian church’s historical role in building white supremacy in America.

Topics covered: a recap of part one (colonization and slavery) and part two (Jim Crow and civil rights), the political strategy that focused conservative Christians on abortion and homosexuality, securing the conservative Christian vote, and how that vote was used to uphold segregation.

If you like this episode, be sure to check out:

Episode 86: 1493 When the Church Gave Permission for Conquest and Slavery

Episode 87: Jim Crow and the Pulpit: How the Church Preached Racism as God's Order

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In part two of this series, Rachael and Jaisa walk through the comprehensive legal system of Jim Crow, the culture of lynching as a celebrated Christian community event, and the documented role of white evangelical leaders in opposing civil rights. We talk about Jerry Falwell Senior's 1958 sermon declaring racial integration a communist plot against God's design. We talk about Billy Graham privately urging Martin Luther King Jr. to slow the movement. And we trace how that same political base shifted from explicit segregation to a new moral framework built around abortion and homosexuality, one that secured the conservative vote without ever having to say the quiet part out loud.

We're also talking about what's happening right now. ICE raids. Murdered activists. The white moderate who opposes injustice but opposes disruption more. And why silence has always been a form of consent.

 This is not a comfortable episode. It's a necessary one.

In This Episode

•       Jim Crow as a comprehensive legal system, not just a social custom

•       Lynching postcards: how Christians documented and celebrated racial murder

•       Jerry Falwell Senior's 1958 segregation sermon and the formation of the Moral Majority

•       Billy Graham, the white moderate, and Martin Luther King Jr.'s Letter from Birmingham Jail

•       The throughline from Jim Crow to today's political landscape

•       Reincarnation, karma, and what a just God might actually require

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Episode 71: Mayan Astrology Explained

Episode 58: The 1946 Mistake That Changed Christianity - How "Homosexual" Entered the Bible

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What if the church didn't just fail to stop white supremacy,  it helped build it?

In part one of this two-part series, Rachael takes you back to the very beginning. Not the Civil War. Not Jim Crow. 1493. The year the church wrote the theological permission slip for conquest, colonization, and the dehumanization of entire peoples.

This episode breaks down three things most Christians were never taught.

The Doctrine of Discovery. The papal bulls that gave European Christian nations divine permission to claim any land inhabited by non-Christians. This wasn't fringe theology. It shaped everything that came after.

The Curse of Ham. One misread passage in Genesis became the theological engine for chattel slavery. What the text actually says required ignoring the Bible entirely to make the distortion work.

The Pro-Slavery Church. Respected, credentialed, mainstream pastors and entire denominations built a sophisticated Bible-based case for slavery. One denomination was founded in 1845 specifically to protect the right of slaveholders. It is still one of the largest in America today.

This is not a story about bad people doing bad things. This is about a theological system that was carefully constructed, widely taught, and built into the institutions many of us grew up in.

If you enjoyed this episode be sure to watch: 

Episode 66: Feeling it All: Faith, Fury & The Call to Love

 Episode 55: Decolonizing the Church w/ Joash Thomas

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What if the healing ministry of Jesus was never meant to stop with Him? In this special bonus episode, we sit back down with Charlie Goldsmith, world-renowned energy healer and star of The Healer, for a conversation that started after the cameras stopped rolling and turned into one of the most personally meaningful exchanges we have ever had on this show.

Jaisa opens up about her son's tumor disappearing in seven days, the physical sensations she experienced during that time, and how this conversation finally gave her language for something she has carried for years. Together we explore the idea that what Jesus demonstrated was not exclusive to Him but a blueprint for human potential that the church may have unintentionally buried over centuries.

Charlie also offers a fascinating reframe of forgiveness, original sin, and what Jesus was actually communicating through His healing ministry that cuts through centuries of religious interpretation and lands somewhere surprisingly freeing.

In this episode, we explore:

• Why the healing ministry of Jesus was meant to be a blueprint, not a one-time event
• How Jaisa experienced an unexplained healing with her son and what that might mean
• The connection between energy healing, human potential, and Christian mysticism
• Why putting Jesus on a pedestal may have disempowered the very people He was trying to inspire
• What "the kingdom of God is within you" might actually mean for how we approach healing today

This is a conversation that will expand your understanding of Jesus, of healing, and of the extraordinary potential that may already be living inside you.

Order Charlie's Book Human Medicine on Amazon.

To learn more about Charie, his work, television series, events and app - visit his Website.

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Episode 19: The Power of Intention - Part I

Episode 20: The Power of Intention - Part 2

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What if healing was possible beyond the limits of conventional medicine? In this profound episode, we welcome Charlie Goldsmith, world-renowned energy healer and star of The Healer, for an honest soul-stirring conversation about his extraordinary gift and what it truly means for humanity.

Charlie opens up about how his healing abilities first emerged, what actually happens during an energy healing session, and the spiritual dimensions of a practice that has left doctors, scientists, and patients speechless. We also dive deep into one of the most fascinating topics in health and consciousness: the placebo effect and what it reveals about our innate human ability to heal ourselves from within.

But Charlie's vision goes far beyond his own practice. He is on a mission to identify the most talented healers in the world, build a network of vetted practitioners, and make that healing accessible and affordable to anyone right from their iPhone.

In this episode, we explore:

• How Charlie discovered and developed his remarkable energy healing abilities
• What an energy healing session looks and feels like from the inside
• The incredible power of the placebo effect and our body's natural capacity to heal
• Why Charlie believes healing shouldn't be a privilege and what he's doing about it
• His mission to create a global accessible healing network available to everyone

This is a conversation that will expand your sense of what's possible in healing, in consciousness, and in the unseen forces that shape our lives.

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Episode 74: Can the Akashic Records Improve Mental Health? A Therapist Breaks Down the Evidence w/ Candice Rasa

Episode 73: The Language of Energy - Intuition, Vibration, and Spiritual Guidance w/ Sonia Choquette

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