Stoa Conversations: Stoicism Applied

Can you do good and do it wrong? Michael and Caleb examine effective altruism - the movement that treats helping others like an optimization problem.

They explore how EA demands you maximize impact rather than feel good about helping. The conversation reveals why Superman should probably quit fighting crime and start generating renewable energy instead.

(03:10) Peter Singer's drowning child argument

(09:00) Internal consistency as moral demand

(16:10) Science-based approach to doing good

(19:30) 80,000 hours and high-impact careers

(23:40) Why boring work might be more heroic

(28:00) Truth-seeking versus feeling good

(34:20) The superhero efficiency problem

(34:50) Shared cosmopolitan values

(37:40) Different approaches to transformation

(43:40) Extreme versus rooted cosmopolitanism

(49:40) Status quo bias and tradition

(56:50) The beneficence challenge to Stoics

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How memory and diet shape your character. Andrew Perlot , former journalist and health coach, explains why the Stoics obsessed over both.

(00:00:56) What Stoicism is and why Andrew is drawn to it

(00:05:32) Favorite Stoic philosophers

(00:09:00) Diet and Stoicism

(00:21:10) Why religious groups like Seventh Day Adventists succeed with diet

(00:24:30) Shame vs virtue in food choices

(00:29:20) Practical tips: simple foods and fasting

(00:33:24) Stoicism and memory

(00:39:40) Why the Stoics literally meant "memorize this"

(00:43:00) How to remember: Method of Loci

(00:48:40) Memory as forcing function for focus

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Caleb and Michael explore Takuan Soho's The Unfettered Mind, examining how Zen Buddhism approaches mental training through the concept of "no mind." They discuss why stopping the mind creates ignorance and how this differs from Stoic approaches to reason and attention.

They examine how mental stopping manifests in combat, conversation, and performance - from sword fighting to basketball arcade games.

(00:00) Introduction to The Unfettered Mind(06:20) The Affliction of Stopping(14:47) The Beginner vs The Expert(27:22) Training(37:22) Practical Life(43:53) Stoicism vs Zen

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Philosophy meets biography in this deep dive into Robin Waterfield's new book on Plato. Michael and Caleb explore how the philosopher's life shaped his ideas, from witnessing tyranny and democracy's failures in his youth to his later failed attempt to reform a Sicilian tyrant.

Plato was an aristocrat who saw his relatives join the brutal Thirty Tyrants, watched democracy execute his mentor Socrates, and spent decades running a research academy that encouraged debate over dogma. His life and philosophy are worth understanding.

(00:05:50) Plato's aristocratic background in Athens

(00:06:30) The Thirty Tyrants and family connections

(00:08:20) Socrates' execution and its impact

(00:10:40) Key philosophical insights from political unrest

(00:13:00) The Sophists reconsidered

(00:19:20) Establishing the academy as research institution

(00:21:00) Early, middle, and later period writings

(00:27:20) Plato's caution about passive consumption

(00:30:20) Criticism of poetry as ancient television

(00:35:40) The religious dimension of Platonic philosophy

(00:39:50) Return to Syracuse and the philosopher king project

(00:47:40) Philosophy's ambitions beyond ivory tower

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Michael breaks down the ten most important concepts you need to understand ancient philosophy's most practical school of thought.

These are the core ideas that built a 2,000-year-old system for living well. From happiness and virtue to the dichotomy of control, each concept builds on the last to create a complete framework for human flourishing.

(00:00:00) Introduction: Why These 10 Ideas Matter

(00:01:50) Happiness and Flourishing (Eudaimonia)

(00:02:50) Virtue as Excellence (Arete)

(00:04:10) Knowledge as the Key (Episteme)

(00:05:50) Living According to Nature (Kata Phusin Zen)

(00:07:40) Mindful Attention (Prosoche)

(00:09:20) Impressions and Assent (Phantasia and Synkatathesis)

(00:11:00) The Things Up to Us (Ta Eph' Hemin)

(00:12:20) Your Ruling Faculty (Hegemonikon)

(00:13:50) Indifferents (Adiaphora)

(00:15:40) Passions vs Good Emotions (Pathe vs Eupathe)

(00:18:00) How the 10 Ideas Connect

(00:21:40) What to Focus on Next

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What happens when the roles life gives you conflict with being a good person? Caleb and Michael tackle one of Stoicism's puzzles: when excellent performance in your job, relationships, or responsibilities seems to require abandoning virtue.

Starting with Machiavelli's brutal advice to princes, they work through modern examples where this tension emerges. The activist who uses propaganda for a just cause. The CEO who fires employees for market efficiency. The lawyer defending someone they think is guilty. The journalist photographing tragedy without intervening.

The Stoics said to follow your roles, but what if your roles demand cruelty, deception, or abandoning compassion? The conversation reveals three ways to think through these conflicts.

(00:00) Introduction: When roles conflict with virtue

(03:40) Machiavelli's challenge to virtue ethics

(08:20) The difference between bad people and role conflicts

(14:30) Modern examples: activists and propaganda

(16:00) Workplace tensions: bosses and market demands

(16:30) Impartial observers: journalists and philosophers

(18:00) Best soldiers follow orders without question

(20:30) Legal defenders and the guilty client

(22:40) When roles seem necessarily at odds with virtue

(27:00) Solution 1: The Stoic hierarchy of roles

(30:00) Human role vs chosen roles

(34:20) Why hierarchy alone isn't enough

(38:50) Solution 2: Breaking virtue into sub-components

(42:00) Fair dealing depends on context and circumstances

(46:20) Practical advice for everyday conflicts

(48:00) Solution 3: Using rights and consequences as constraints

(50:40) Reserve clause and staying flexible between roles

(51:20) Why most conflicts resolve with careful thinking

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What would you do if you could get away with anything?

Plato's famous thought experiment cuts straight to the heart of human nature. If you had a ring that made you invisible—if you could take, do, or have anything without consequence—what would you do? More importantly, what should you do?

Michael explores what the Stoics believed about this thought experiment and what it reveals about their philosophy.

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When life hits hard, where do you turn? Philosophy, therapy, or coaching? Michael and Caleb examine and debate the fundamental differences between these approaches to human suffering and growth.

They explore why Stoicism offers a prescriptive vision of the good life while therapy remains deliberately non-judgmental. The conversation reveals when philosophy works best as preventative strength training versus therapy's role in acute crisis intervention.

(00:00) Introduction: Philosophy vs Therapy

(03:20) The Ancient Medical Metaphor

(09:00) Different Goals: Prescriptive vs Non-judgmental

(23:30) Stoicism as Preventative Training Only

(27:30) When People Discover Stoicism After Crisis

(32:20) Why Some Stoics Struggle with Crisis Moments

(38:00) Questioning the "Solution" Mindset

(42:10) Who Should Choose What Path

(48:30) Practical Stoic Techniques in Daily Life

(52:40) Knowing When You Don't Know

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In this episode, Caleb and Michael review the 2023 film "Seneca, On the Creation of Earthquakes" starring John Malkovich. They explore how the movie portrays the Roman Stoic philosopher during his final day, examining themes of hypocrisy, performance versus genuine philosophy, and the challenges of living up to Stoic ideals.

(00:00:56) Background on the film

(00:04:07) Overall impressions

(00:08:38) Play by play of the plot

(00:13:58) Discussion of Agrippina's portrayal

(00:16:31) Analysis of the Thyestes play scene

(00:21:00) Examination of slavery themes

(00:24:15) Seneca's hypocrisy and wealth

(00:27:43) Seneca's death scene

(00:30:06) Theme: Can you separate philosophy from philosopher?

(00:35:15) Theme: What the film says about Stoicism

(00:39:53) Theme: Criticism of pointless political art

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Should you really be reading all those "great books"? Marcus Aurelius had strong opinions about this. He repeatedly told himself to throw away his books and stop getting distracted by endless reading lists.

In this episode, Caleb challenges the popular Great Books movement and explores what Marcus Aurelius would think about our obsession with reading everything. The emperor-philosopher believed reading should transform you, not just educate you. He saw most reading as distraction from the real work of living.

What do you think?

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