She’s a winner, baby! TS Madison is joined by the legendary Rupaul’s Drag Race Season 13 winner… it’s Symone!

The duo jump immediately into it, and 'it' we mean a crash course on the astrological science of good sex, and the art of giving commands—and the sorcery doesn’t stop there. This episode is like an hour-long affirmation: we're vision-boarding with words, commanding the universe to deliver our “gots,” declaring “I AM!,” and stepping into the spirituality of queerness. It’s all about the Word, honey!

The conversation then turns to the Ebony Enchantress’s journey from Arkansas to the main stage of RuPaul’s Drag Race. (Fun fact: Season 13 wasn’t just her winning season—it was also the first time Maddie sat on the judging panel.) She recalls what it felt like, from that side of the table, to watch the rising star walk the runway for the very first time.

Together they reflect on the impact that RuPaul Charles has had—not just on their own lives, but on the entire world—then bond over life’s ups and downs, those moments of feeling entirely lost, and the breakthroughs that promised brighter tomorrows. When Symone opens up about her lowest point, Maddie delivers an unforgettable pep talk, reminding her (and all of us) that it’s never about where you start; it’s always about where you go. Grab your tissues, y’all! We’re laughing, we’re crying, and we’re immediately queuing up a re-watch of RPDR Season 13!!! 

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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Is it on? Is it on?? Honey, is this thing recording?! TS Madison broke the Internet with six seconds and a 22-inch weave. And she didn’t just go viral — she became part of the culture, from “RuPaul's Drag Race” to Beyoncé’s “Renaissance.” Her superpower? Her voice. Her kryptonite? Doesn’t exist. Her podcast? The one they never saw coming. 

Each week on “Outlaws,” Madison sits down with living legends and rising stars who shed their armor and own their stories — turning side-eyes into sermons, pain into punchlines, and grief into galaxies. They speak when silence is safer. They dream when told to disappear. And they know what so many are taught to fear: that when you speak your truth, you open a portal.

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