The Blue Wall King meets the U·biq·ui·tous Queen! Today on “Outlaws,” TS Madison sits down with Terrell Grice—creator and host of the hit YouTube series "The Terrell Show," now in its seventh season featuring icons like Keke Palmer, Chloe Bailey, The Clark Sisters, Tia Mowry, Michelle Williams, Cynthia Erivo, Kelly Clarkson, and Coco Jones. Guests on his show are expected to sing *down*—but Terrell might just make an exception for Maddie to stop by and shake the table. (And okay, listen... if you caught her "Little Shop" audition to play Audrey II in our Wayne Brady episode, you already know Maddie can do it all.)

Terrell tells Maddie how his unexpected path from reality-TV producer to YouTube creator led to one of the internet’s most beloved music talk shows—now boasting over 1.4 million subscribers and counting.

Once the BuzzBalls start flowing (yes, in actual glasses), the conversation turns into a lively deep dive into their favorite vocalists, Brandy nostalgia, Whitney Houston devotion, and a debate comparing the R&B queens of the ’80s and ’90s to today’s generation of artists.

Both Madison and Terrell grew up in the church, and they open up about how queerness reshaped their families’ faith and expanded their understanding of love. Terrell reflects on his so-called “Villain Era”—giving his mom the space to grieve the future she once imagined and finding their way back to each other. Together, he and Madison unpack the similarities and differences between coming out as gay vs. trans, the tension of wanting to preserve family relationships if you can (while still appreciating the power found in creating a 'chosen family'), and the joyful moments that follow the hard conversations and make it all worth it—like watching your Apostolic grandmother live her BEST life at the Caesars Palace slot machines at 3AM.

"Outlaws" is hosted by TS Madison, and is part of the Outspoken Network from iHeartPodcasts, co-produced by Turtle Run Entertainment.

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