Devin Reed is Head of Content & Thought Leadership at Clari and previously Head of Content Strategy at Gong.

Dave and Devin talk about:

- His role at Clari and what the content team does
- Inside Gong's early content strategy
- How to make longform content work
- What type of content works on LinkedIn today
- Myth busting "build your personal brand" and more

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.ai

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Dave takes you behind the scenes of Exit Five to talk about how the community got started, why we moved off of Facebook, why we went with Circle, lessons learned scaling Exit Five to 3,500+ paying members and more. This is a conversation with Jordan Godbey who runs Growth Community and helps experts, coaches and creators build communities on Circle and we thought this would make for a fun little "behind the scenes" episode since many listeners are involved in marketing and community building and might be interested in this topic.

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Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.ai

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

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Dave is joined by Austin Distel, Head of Marketing Innovation at Jasper and former CMO at Proof. Austin was one of the earliest Jasper employees and we discussed the evolution of the company, lessons from building Proof, how the product at Jasper got initial traction, use cases and examples for AI in marketing today, why every B2B marketing team should be taking AI seriously, how to get beyond generic AI results, and handling some of the objections as to why marketers don't use AI today.

***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.ai

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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***

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave is joined by Jeff Hardison, Head of Product Marketing at Calendly to discuss the role product marketing plays in a B2B organization.  They cover how to structure a product marketing department, the differences between sales-led and product-led motions, tips on hiring product marketers, what product marketing looks like at Calendly, setting goals for product marketing, and more.

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Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Jasper. Jasper is the AI Content Generator that helps you and your team break through creative blocks to create amazing, original content 10X faster. Learn more + start using AI to create content for free at jasper.ai

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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***

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave is joined by Margaret Kelsey (Founder of TatCo, Marketing Advisor), Jason Widup (VP Marketing, Metadata), and Shauntle Barley (Director of Marketing, Demandwell) to talk about the state of B2B marketing in Q2 2023 and helpful ideas for driving growth in a down economy.

Layoffs, budget cuts, slower sales cycles, and a lack of urgency to buy your product right now. That's become normal in B2B SaaS over the last two quarters. But what does it mean for marketer? Do nothing? Just play defense? Yeah right. Marketers are being asked to do more with less, and if you're one of those marketers this is a session you don't want to miss. We'll talk to three marketers in the thick of things right now to talk about what they are doing to drive sustainable growth for their companies and under less favorable conditions. We’ll discuss what’s changed for them in the past year, and how they’ve adapted their strategies and tactics to adjust to the existing market climate. We’re being asked to do more (than ever) with less (than ever), and this session will cover how these marketers have adapted and risen to the challenge.

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Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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***

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave is joined by Kyle Lacy (CMO at Jellyfish) and Shauntle Barley (Director of Marketing at Demandwell) to chat about what business is like right now Q2 2023 for B2B SaaS, Kyle's new role as CMO at Jellyfish, what the CMO does in the first 90 days of a new job, talking through marketing budget and spending on brand vs demand, and more.

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***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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***

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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This episode is an overview of the role of Revenue Operations as it relates to B2B sales & marketing today. You'll get an overall understanding of why the role of RevOps is key to scaling and growing revenue inside of an organization today with guest Lindsay Rothlisberger, Director of RevOps at Zapier.

We cover the things B2B marketers and future marketing leaders should know about RevOps today, including:

- The role of RevOps inside of a B2B SaaS company

- How to measure success with a RevOps team/role

- The top trends in RevOps for 2023

- Centralized vs. Decentralized Ops and how to decide

- What to look for in a RevOps candidate/how to hire

- Audience Q&A - Lindsay and Dave questions list

Revenue Operations is the fuel for a high-performing B2B SaaS company today, and the #1 key partner to marketing and sales to drive growth.

Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected]
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Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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***

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave Kellogg is a former CEO and CMO with operational experience across companies from $0 to $1B+. He served as GM/SVP of Service Cloud for Salesforce, CEO of MarkLogic, and SVP of Marketing at SAP / Business Objects. Today he is  principal at Dave Kellogg Consulting, EIR at Balderton Capital, and authors the popular SaaS blog Kellblog (www.kellblog.com). He has also served as an independent director across 10 startup boards and has a unique perspective into what top performing SaaS companies do and what role the CMO should play.

We talk about:

- Being a great partner to sales and why it is marketing’s job is to make sales easier
- Mastering the art of becoming the dispassionate analyst, presenting the facts
- Being a partner to the CEO
- Dave's thoughts on the importance of benchmarks, his POV on category creation, lead gen vs demand gen, ChatGPT, and more.

Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected]
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Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Tom Wentworth is CMO at Recorded Future, a $250m+ revenue high growth cyber security company. Prior to Recorded Future Tom was CMO at Rapid Miner and CMO at Acquia. We talk about:

- Running marketing at 1,000 person company doing $250M ARR
- The breakdown of Recorded Future's 45 person marketing team roles & responsibilities & goals
- RF's marketing operating system, campaigns, themes, and running plays quarterly and annually
- Managing up, working with the CEO, and why "if you don't have a plan you'll be given one"
- Why he hates category creation
- Why he doesn't like spending budget on agencies
- Why middle management is important to scaling marketing
- Why RF built a news organization, how it works, hiring top journalist, how it fits within the marketing org, what they report on, doing millions of pageviews/month
- And more

Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected]
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Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

***

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

This episode is brought to you by Zapier. Zapier empowers anyone to automate their work across 5,000+ apps, so that every person and business can move forward at growth speed. We power over 2.2 million businesses, from startups to Fortune 100, and we’ve been doing it for over a decade. Learn more + get started for free at zapier.com

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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***

Brought to you by:

Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Kara Hardin is a mental health educator and clinician who works at the intersection of mental health and performance as CEO of The Practice Lab. She specializes in the complicated ways that mental health drives performance and how it shows up at work. She's a former practicing corporate and securities lawyer and holds a Master’s degree in Counseling Psychology from the University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) and a Juris Doctor from the University of Toronto, Faculty of Law.

We talk about:

- Going from corporate lawyer to running a private psychotherapy practice
- Working with high performers she calls "strivers" -- people who are pushing to be and do better
- Finding meaning at work, even when "marketing isn't saving the world"
- The balance between being burnout and being "crispy" and how much work stress is OK
- Why she puts her phone in the closet from Friday to Monday - and why she's looking into getting a landline (!)
- The myth of comparative suffering
- Regulating your body
- Why state dictates your story
- How very few things require our immediate attention
- And more (you're going to love this episode I know it)

Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected]
Exit Five on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/exitfive/
Exit Five on Twitter: https://twitter.com/exitfiveco

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This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. This episode is brought to you by Demandwell. Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Thanks to our 2023 presenting sponsors Demandwell, Jasper, and Zapier.

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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Brought to you by:

Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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  They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
• Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

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