The Deep End Pool Podcast

Frank and Jacque answer a couple questions from listeners. Should you worry about your pool overflowing during heavy rains? And a little more about how long should you run your pump. That turns into a little bit of a rant against the "one hour for every ten degrees of air temperature".

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00:00 introduction

03:30 our big giveaway at our retail stores in North Richland Hills Texas and Lantana Texas for our local clientele. Win a Polaris Alpha IQ+ or other prizes in our $6000.00 giveaway at both locations. Free 6 months of weekly service, or $250.00 in-store credits.

05:40 BB from Georgia asks "We have had some heavy rains. Our water gets higher than our tile around the pool, but it does not overflow the top. My wife gets worried about it overflowing because she sees people talk about how they have to drain their pool down so it doesn't overflow. Should we be worried about that?"

Frank and Jacque talk about the Sahara dust that is hitting the southeast U.S. this week. Don't let this become a problem for you.

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00:00 intro, grand kid jokes, our week

04:44 July 25 was world drowning prevention day. 11 drowning death in the U.S. on average, every day, 22 near drowning every day. Teach your kids to swim. create barriers. adult supervision, actively watching the children, drowning is a silent killer. don't allow line of sight blockers in the pool. learn CPR.

09:10 Sahara dust storm hitting the southeast U.S. It can be very problematic. make sure you don't let it get you in a bad position with your pool. got a little lost from subject talking about snake gangs in Florida

12:40 keep chlorine levels up and correct. use enzymes to take load off of chlorine. clarifiers to help remove material from water. use chelating or sequestering agents for metal in the dust.

14:50 watch your water levels. expect excessive evaporation. don't cost yourself a lot of money due to negligence in maintaining pool water levels. make yourself look a couple times every week.

18:27 scale appearing in pools. higher pool water temperatures increase your LSI. if your LSI gets too high it will force calcium out of solution and scale your pool. manage LSI with lower alkalinity and pH.

20:09 why is shock clouding your pool. cal hypo shocks have high pH and add calcium. this is a double dose of trouble with your LSI. consider liquid chlorine in high water temperatures

21:30 we love UPS (side tracked)

23:05 spreading of algae from pool to pool or natural body of water to pools.

The preliminary results are in. We are giving the Green Story Global Cya remover a big thumbs up, with some conditions, and we are continuing to monitor.

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00:00 introduction

02:55 Green Story Global Cya Remover. We have used it on one dozen pools for 6 to 8 weeks. It is working. On some it worked better than on others. Good flow amount and time the flow goes over the product in the skimmer does appear to be a big factor on how effective it is. The Cya has continued to stay down, and it does not appear, at this time, that the product is a mask and not the remover it claims to be. It is worth the money to try it if you face draining your pool.

08:30 draining option, with a vinyl pool horror story

16:10 Why does the pool need more chlorine during the summer. heat and sun do shorten the life of chlorine in your pool, and the extra usage of the pool does introduce a lot more contaminants that chlorine has to oxidize, and that in turn uses up the chlorine. Filters are getting dirtier from contaminants, so flow and filtration can be lessened, this puts more of the water maintenance work on the chlorine.

Chemicals and oils from swimmers can also cause chlorine to burn up faster.

17:50 the extra chlorine being added can also effect the water balance. different types of chlorine can affect ph, alkalinity, calcium hardness, and TDS.

using borates, enzymes and phosphate removers can help reduce the amount of chlorine needed to maintain your pool

algae multiplies faster in warmer water. algae will typically double every 3 hours. this faster growth uses up chlorine faster

all of these things increase the consumption of chlorine. just remember you need to maintain without borates, 7.5% of your cya in free chlorine to kill algae faster than it multiplies. with borates it is 5% of your cya level in free chlorine.

extra evaporation requires more fill water which also messes up water chemistry. waterfalls and evaporative chillers increase evaporation, so that in turn will increase water maintenance and adjustment.

28:20 if using a chiller on a pool, that needs to be accomplished during the cooler time of day if day time temperatures are extreme. but do not run at night in lieu of running during the day, run in addition to daytime running. in the heat the pool needs to be filtering and circulating during the day.

32:00 providing shade on your pool can greatly decrease the amount that your pool heats up. using shade sails and umbrellas can keep your pool cooler, decrease evaporation, and decrease balance and oxidizer chemical usage.

35:40 evaporation does cool the pool, why more evaporation is more chemical maintenance in your pool

get on borates, use enzymes, consider phosphate removers, keep water cooler if able,

Frank visits with Reed Hauge, CEO All-Safe Pool Fence and Covers. Frank and two of his technicians spent a week at the All-Safe training facility in Anaheim, California.

All-Safe provides excellent training for all of their safety fencing, safety nets, and leaf covers products. Not only do they provide excellent on-hands experience with their products, but they also have an excellent knowledge base that is easily accessible from anywhere with a smart device.

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introduction. Meet Reed Hauge (how-gee)

child safety is top priority. drowning is #1 cause of death for children 1 to 5 years of age. First priority is to teach a child to swim. Adult supervision is critical to protect children around water. there are on average 11 child drownings every day in the U.S, and 22 non-fatal drownings.

how All-Safe got into the pool safety industry. All-Safe not only designs and manufactures safety barriers, they also operate a large installation company in Southern California.

ASTM writes standards for manufacturers to achieve for an acceptable product

All-Safe has developed many innovative products that help overcome obstacles that can lessen the effectiveness of a safety barrier. There is also a difference in the quality of materials that different manufacturers produce, and proper installation is also important to ensure the product performs as designed.

Pool parties are one of the highest drowning risk scenarios. There needs to be designated sober adults assigned to closely monitor children around the pool.

Do not do bubble parties.

safety floatation devices.

our apologies for Frank's mic volume fluctuations

Derrick Todd steps in as guest with Frank. Derrick is pool business entrepreneur, service business coach, and "Pool Boy" Bar-B-Q rubs. He is also admin on some of the most popular Facebook pool owner groups.

Derrick and Frank discuss some of the myths and misunderstood truths they see in pool owner facebook groups.

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00:00 - meet Derrick Todd. 20 years in the pool industry,

08:50 - Frank and Derrick get frustrated with the belief that products like Pool RX and Blue Ray XL are a replacement for good pool water chemistry and maintenance. These are both great products but are not meant to replace proper water sanitation and water balance. These are excellent products to help in difficult pool situations.

19:38 = the potential problems you may get into with the copper pipe in the skimmer fad

24:10 - supplementing salt pools with additional chlorine products and methods can be very necessary and beneficial on many salt pools.

34:10 - shocking a salt pool , why is this necessary on many pools

41:10 - Why it is fine to add chlorine to your pool during the daylight hours. When your pool needs chlorine, it needs chlorine. Waiting until sundown to add chlorine is is not as important as many claim it is.

Frank and Jacque discuss how salt water chlorine generation pools work, and the benefits and drawbacks of salt water pools.

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00:00-05:05 - introduction

05:06 - the great debate, what is better, salt or traditional chlorine pool. A salt pool is a chlorine pool. Salt water chlorine generation pools generate much or all of their own chlorine.

07:18 - salt water pools have typically 2600 to 4000 ppm of salt concentration, human tear 4000 ppm, the ocean has 35,000 ppm

09:00 - use salt that is made for swimming pools. you can stain your pool with non-pool salt

11:05 - how the salt system makes chlorine

12:00 - two types of salt chlorine generators, brine tank and in-line generators. This show is all about in-chlorine chlorine generators

13:29 - salt systems raise pH. this is one of the drawbacks of salt systems

15:10 -break

15:30 -salt systems introduce chlorine gas into the water.

16:49 - salt cells scale up. when salt cells scale up leading to false low salt level readings on the systems. this leads to people over salting their pools. test your salt levels independently of the the salt system reading.

18:12 - as cells reach the end of their usable life they will give a false low salt reading, leading to pool owners over salting their pools. test your salt levels independently of the the salt system reading. salt cells can be expensive to replace

18:55 - in theory salt in a salt pool should regenerate, resulting in a continuous level of salt. but in our experience this is not usually the case

20:15 - don't store large amounts of salt. it isn't worth it. Frank's story of his storm cellar turning into the worlds larges pot of stew, due to salt being stored with hundreds of cans of food. salt is corrosive and will damage metals.

24:25 - how much chlorine can a salt chlorine generator produce, and is it enough for your pool. you have to add stabilizer to a salt pool. even with adequate stabilizer the sun will still burn about 1 ppm of chlorine out of your pool per day.

26:04 - how does percentage setting on a salt system works. it is a percentage of time the system generates, not the amount it generates.

27:30 - the number of hours you run your pump reduces the amount of chlorine you can produce with your salt water chlorine generators.

28:40 - you still have to generate enough chlorine to maintain the minimum residual required to kill algae faster than it multiplies. you have to overcome loads on your chlorine

30:00 - running a salt system 24 hours a day is very beneficial

32:39 - break

34:05 - you still may have to shock your salt pool. the chemistry and maintenance on a salt pool is the same as with a traditional chlorine pool. environments, bather loads, combine chlorines, still may require occasional or even frequent shocking or super chlorinating. extra contaminants still have to be oxidized. all of the five basics of pool maintenance still apply to salt pools

37:23 - salt can be harsh on natural stones and metals in and around pools.

Frank sits down with friend and fellow Turf's Up Radio podcaster Dan Platta. Dan is the hardest working podcaster around. They discuss the importance of good bookkeeping in your small business. It is about making the business money, not making the IRS money.

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Frank and Jacque discuss how to cool your pool down in the summer and overcome some of the difficulties pool service techs and pool owners deal with due to the heat and swim season.

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00:00 - 03:30 introduction

03:31 trip through Waxahachie, how do you pronounce it, funny story

07:00 - how to chill your pool. Heat pumps. running heat pumps at night makes them much more effective in chilling the pool, but you must also run your filter and circulation during the heat of the day. Pros and con of an electric heat pump

12:38- evaporative chillers, Glacier. use evaporation to chill water. Pros and cons of an evaporative chiller.

16:30- other ways to chill your pool. water falls and water features during cooler night temperatures will cool your pool. It will also affect your water chemistry.

19:00- heat related issues during the summer season. hotter weather and more sun does require more sanitizer. algae is more active, there are more contaminants being introduced into the water, check your free and total chlorine. supplement chlorine with shock if needed. maintain proper chlorine residuals.

23:20- tab pools you need to watch stabilizer or cya levels. cya will rise during summer with more tab use. adjust chlorine residual as needed to maintain 7.5% or 5% in free chlorine of your stabilizer level.

25:30- green story global cya remover appears to be working well

26:10- salt pools. increase production time for salt water chlorine generators to keep up. increase production percentage.

28:40- benefits of a variable speed pump. make the switch

29:00- watch your filter pressure, keep filter clean and backwashed, keep skimmer and pump baskets clean.

30:20- make sure pool is circulating well. eliminate dead spots.

30:54- borates, enzymes, phosphate removers.

Frank and Jacque discuss a customer that could not get rid of mustard algae no matter how much chemicals he used. Chemistry is the one of the 5 basics that he had right.

You must fix the cause of the problems in a pool, not just treat the symptoms of the problem. Frank goes step by step on all the things this pool owner had working against him.

00:00 - 0400 introduction

04:01 - why is pool water in north texas getting so warm. Higher humidity slows evaporation. evaporation cools the water.

05:50 - retail customer is treating his pool for algae, but it keeps coming back. his water chemistry is the only part of the 5 basics he was doing right.

10:10 - as pool water ages it becomes more difficult to control.

14:25 - weir doors make skimmers work like they are designed to work

15:26 - set pool returns to properly circulate the pool

17:10 - spas do not need more return than necessary. do not starve your pool of circulation to over serve the spa

18:28 - set up spa to circulate well. circulate the footwell of the spa

20:00 - easy way to remove dirt from spa

21:50 - brushing your pool is critical

23:05 - empty pump and skimmer baskets

23:15 - save money and circulate more water by taking advantage of variable speed pumps

24:00 - don't run you booster pumps for pool cleaners more than necessary

25: 02 - monitor filter pressure, and clean your filter as needed, know your clean pressure

Frank and Jacque discuss what makes some pools get cloudy and what are some of the solutions to clear cloudy pools. Covering four possible causes and some solutions including water balance, pool chlorine issues, pool circulation, and pool filtration

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00:00-04:30 introduction

04:31 - getting a lot of questions in our stores and on facebook about why are pools getting cloudy

06:00- residential and commercial pool requirements for reasonably clear pools

07:16 - There can be several reasons that a pool is cloudy and different solutions to correct cloudy pools

08:40- if you don't know how to determine why your pool is cloudy, call a pro. Don't waste your time and money on solutions that aren't for your cause.

09:34- four things that can make a pool cloudy. low or improper pool chlorine management, poor pool water balance chemistry, poor pool circulation, and poor pool filtration, or a combination of these causes.

10:35 first thing to diagnose why a pool is cloudy is a complete water test including all components of water balance to calculate LSI, and total and free chlorine levels and calculate combined chlorine levels. Correct pool water chemistry problems first through proper dosing.

13:20- know when the best solution is to drain or dilute your water with fresh water. Consider hiring reverse osmosis service.

18:00- low chlorine levels. heavy loads of organics from body waste, sunscreens, and other organics can deplete your chlorine. This can also clog your pool filter which can compound your cloudy pool water issues.

21:38- what is a boat load of chlorine? 40 to 60% of your cya in free chlorine

24:10- enzymes, phosphate removers, or floc with alum to help ease the load on oxidizers

28:00- combined chlorines or chloramines can cloud water. formula to achieve breakpoint chlorination (shocking the pool). measure free chorine level and total chlorine level in the pool. If there is a difference between the two, that difference is chloramines. To get rid of chloramines you must achieve breakpoint chlorination by raising your free chlorine level to ten times the level of combined chlorine. If you don't achieve ten times the amount, you may have wasted your shock treatment.

30:35- ozone and AOP can also oxidize organics and help your chlorine.

31:18- proper pool circulation and filtration is critical in helping sanitizers keep your water clear.

32:40- what is pool turnover? moving the entire volume of water in the pool through the filter. Recommend a minimum of two turnovers per day in a residential swimming pool.

34:00- backwash and clean filters as needed

35:45- keep pump and skimmers baskets emptied

36:25- sand filters may need help to achieve good filtration by using filter fiber or clarifiers. Replacing the sand in a sand filter with glass filter media greatly improves the sand filter filtration

39:25- circulation and filtration issues can also turn into water chemistry issues