The Full of Beans Podcast

In this week’s podcast, Han is joined by Chloe Reid. Chloe is a registered nurse, gelato enthusiast, golden retriever lover and mental health advocate. Chloe battled with atypical anorexia nervosa for most of her 27 years on this planet and has lived with mixed anxiety and depression disorder since she was a teen. Following the COVID-19 pandemic she has been diagnosed with multiple chronic health conditions which have turned her life upside down; chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, hypermobility spectrum disorder and mast cell activation syndrome to name just a few. Chloe strives to educate myself and others on what life can be like for those facing similar health adversities.

This week, we discuss:

• Chloe's experience of atypical anorexia and chronic conditions.
• Hypermobility and the intersection of eating disorders and ADHD.
• Navigating various diagnoses and how they impacted Chlo's eating disorder experience.
• The impact of gastrointestinal issues and dietary recommendations on eating disorder recovery.
• Navigating chronic fatigue and its impact on eating disorder symptoms.
• Learning to trust your body despite chronic illness and the impact it can have on listening to your intuition.
• Seeking support for multiple conditions and how to balance recovery from an eating disorder.

You can find out more about Chloe by finding her on Instagram @chronically.curious.chlo.

Please note that this podcast explores topics some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's episode, Han is joined by Juidth Matz. Judith is the co-author of several books on the topics of eating and weight struggles, including Beyond a Shadow of a Diet: The Comprehensive Guide to Treating Binge Eating Disorder, Emotional Eating and Chronic Dieting. This has been called “the new bible” on this topic for professionals. Her other resources include the recently released The Emotional Eating, Chronic Dieting, Binge Eating & Body Image Workbook, The Body Positivity Card Deck, The Making Peace with Food Card Deck, and The Diet Survivor's Handbook.

Judith has a private practice in the Chicago area where she focuses her work with clients who want to get off the diet/binge rollercoaster and learn to feel at home in their bodies. Through her counselling, workshops, training for mental health professionals, and books, Judith has helped thousands of people to develop self-care skills that increase physical, emotional and spiritual wellbeing without a focus on the pursuit of weight loss. Through educational programs, she is dedicated to helping people end their preoccupation with food and weight and to fighting weight stigma.

This week, we discuss:

• Judith's journey to working with individuals with binge eating disorder and writing her book, Beyond a Shadow of a Diet.
• The impact diet culture has on our perception of binge eating disorder and recovery, as well as how complex this can be.
• The concept behind the Health At Every Size (HAES) movement and how this supports individuals to focus on health, not weight.
• The concept of intuitive eating and how to reframe your relationship with food and exercise to support health.
• How clinician's can support their clients in recovery from binge eating disorder and increase their understanding of the mental health condition.

You can find out more about Caroline by finding her on Instagram @judmatz, visiting her website, or joining her Diet Survivors Facebook Group.

Please note that this podcast explores topics some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's episode, Han is joined by Beth Francois. Beth is a registered dietitian specialising in the treatment of eating disorders. Beth’s approach to eating disorder support is rooted in compassion, hope, and freedom. Beth combines evidence-based practices with a deep understanding of the emotional complexities of eating disorders to help her clients find lasting recovery and rediscover the joy of nourishing their bodies and minds.

This week, we discuss:

• Beth's thoughts around the term "extreme hunger" and why this occurs during eating disorder recovery.
• The different ways hungered is perceived in active restriction vs recovery.
• The urgency of hunger in recovery post restriction.
• The importance of responding to hunger, restoring hunger cues in recovery and reframing thoughts towards hunger.
• Overcoming fear foods, emotional eating and the feeling of losing control.
• Tips for navigating binge eating following restriction.

You can find out more about Beth by finding her on Instagram @theeddietitian or visiting her website.

Please note that this podcast explores topics some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's podcast, Han is joined by Caroline Drummond-Smith, a devoted wife, mother of three grown-up children, and a survivor of a 35-year battle with anorexia. Her journey from struggling with an eating disorder—which deeply impacted her family—to finding true happiness and self-acceptance is both powerful and inspiring. Now an eating disorder coach and founder of Zest Health Coaching, Caroline is passionate about helping others discover their true worth beyond the confines of their struggles. Her story is one of resilience, healing, and the enduring strength of family bonds.

This week, we discuss:

• Caroline's experience of an eating disorder for 35 years and how this changed over time due to her responsibilities as a mother.
• The impact of an eating disorder for 35 years on Caroline's overall health.
• The impact of Caroline's eating disorder on her relationship, including the secrecy and frustration associated.
• The role of a late autism diagnosis on Caroline's recovery and understanding of her eating disorder.
• The impact of Caroline's eating disorder on her role as a mother.
• Caroline's recovery after 35 years of living with an eating disorder and the position impact this has had on her life.
• The difference between functioning and thriving in life, and how an eating disorder impacts this.

You can find out more about Caroline by finding her on Instagram @zesthealthcoaching or visiting her website.

Please note that this podcast explores topics some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's podcast, Han is joined by Bethany C. Crowley, MFT, CEDS, BCN. Bethany is the founder and clinical director at The Journey Therapy in Kailua, Hawaii, where she leads a compassionate team dedicated to helping those struggling with eating disorders. With over 25 years of experience, Bethany has guided hundreds to lasting recovery through her unique integrative approach, teaching essential skills to conquer disordered eating and handle life’s challenges. As a certified eating disorder specialist, EMDR practitioner, and biofeedback expert, she’s not only a therapist but also a mentor, offering online training and supervision to fellow professionals. When she's not supporting individuals in recovering from an eating disorder, Bethany enjoys the island life in Kailua with her family and three dogs.

This week, we discuss:

• Bethany's journey into working with eating disorder patients.
• An overview of Bethany's book, An Integrative Approach to Treating Eating Disorders, and where her inspiration came from.
• The importance of understanding that eating disorders are more than food and body issues, and why learning about yourself is key to recovery.
• Together, we then explore the 9 foundational skills for eating disorder recovery, as discussed in Bethany's book:
  1. Establishing a Mind-Body Connection
  2. Uncovering the Meaning Behind Food and Eating
  3. Quieting Negative Thoughts
  4. Practising Self-Compassion, Self-Acceptance
  5. Exploring Body Neutrality and Acceptance
  6. Understanding Myself in Relation to Others
  7. Coping with Emotional Triggers and Building Resilience
  8. Using My Authentic Voice
  9. Changing My Story

To find out more about Bethany, you can check out her website. You can also purchase her book, An Integrative Approach to Treating Eating Disorders, by following this link.

Please note that this podcast explores topics that some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone that you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's episode, Han is joined by David Coyle. David is a Consultant Psychiatrist, and the Clinical Lead for Adult Eating Disorder Services across multiple Trusts in Northern Ireland. With a career spanning 18 years in mental health and 7 years specialising in eating disorders, David is dedicated to his clinical work, especially where he can be creative and innovative. He is also passionate about teaching and provides training for various healthcare disciplines in the region. One of his notable interests is the introduction of Mentalisation Based Treatment (MBT) as part of the treatment options available within his service, which focuses on severe and complex eating disorders.

• The concept behind MBT and why this is useful for individuals with eating disorders.
• How does MBT differ from other types of therapy models e.g. CBT, SSCM-ED, MANTRA.
• What takes place in an MBT group session in David's service and the outcomes they have witnessed.
• The importance of engaging loved ones in therapy to ensure holistic support and wrap-around care.
• The impact of MBT on understanding one's own emotions and the impact that our emotions can have on others.
• The importance of understanding emotions and the diversity each emotion has and can take shape.
• How to navigate your recovery and therapy if others in your network don't want to engage in therapy or express emotions.
• How services can introduce MBT into their practice.

Please note that this podcast explores topics some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week’s episode, Han is joined by Marlene van den Berg. Marlene is an Occupational Therapist and therapeutic team manager at Akedo, Montrose Manor, a specialist eating disorder clinic. Marlene has worked in mental health for over 18 years, working with clients with acute & chronic mental health conditions, eating disorders, addiction concerns, and personality disorders. Marlene also hosts an outpatient support community: Healing Spaces Wellness and has a specific interest in group intervention and holistic, healing processes. As an Occupational Therapist she is passionate about supporting clients to find within themselves the motivation to live fully in all the areas of their lives; to engage in activities and processes that lead to inner and outer wellbeing and to encourage them to become their most authentic, healthiest selves.

This week, we discuss:

• The Montrose Manor approach, and how this differs from standard forms of treatment.
• Realising your eating disorder is a sign that life feels difficult, prompting you to take care of yourself.
• How Montrose Manor helps clients understand their struggles and develop personalised coping tools to manage their eating disorders and prioritise self-care.
• How Montose Manor helps their clients to step away from their eating disorder and the community they are part of within the treatment centre.
• The importance of developing life skills during eating disorder recovery.
• The difficulty of "getting rid" of your eating disorder, and the importance of refining life and freedom without an eating disorder life can bring.

To find out more about Montrose Manor, you can visit their website here or email them at [email protected].

Please note that this podcast explores topics some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's episode, Han is joined by Marcus Kain. Marcus is an Eating Disorder Informed Nutrition and Stress Management coach who specialises in binge eating recovery. Through private coaching and the Strong Not Starving podcast he provides coaching and resources to help people leave binge eating behind, navigate struggles with body image, manage stress, and create fulfilling relationships with food and exercise.

This week, we discuss:

• The presentation of eating disorder in men and how they differ, or in fact don't, to women.
• The role of exercise in recovery and understanding what is appropriate for your recovery.
• Hormonal changes that occur in men due to overtraining and dietary restriction, and the impact this can have on body composition.
• Diet trends that men may be susceptible to including biohacking.
• Societal influences and disordered eating in men.
• Prioritising stress management and recovery.
• Self-reflection and patience in the recovery journey.

Please note that this podcast explores topics that some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone that you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week’s episode, Han is joined by Kevin Jarvis (they/them). Kevin is a disabled, mad, and queer artist and advocate from so-called Western Massachusetts- located on Pocumtuk people’s land. Kevin’s art and activism speaks to their lived experience with mental health in an unfiltered way. They exhibit a passionate effort towards making the world more accessible through client-led care, harm reduction, and liberation-oriented care. Kevin uses their personal experiences with ARFID, queerness, and neurodivergence to support others navigating the same muddy waters. When they aren’t engaging with the community, you can find Kevin hammocking in the woods, creating art, or messing around with their 2 cats.

This week, we discuss:

• What is ARFID and the different subtypes?
• Do only neurodiverse individuals struggle with ARFID?
• The intersection of ARFID, neurodiversity and body image.
• The challenges in diagnosing ARFID.
• Sensory issues in those with neurodiversity that may lead to difficulties with eating and body image.
• Neurodiversity and the queer community.
• Unmasking, finding community and your authentic self.

You can find out more about Kevin and their work by heading over to their IG page @kevindoesarfid.

Please note that this podcast explores topics that some individuals may find difficult to hear and should not be used as a replacement for professional advice. If you need further support after this podcast, please consider talking to someone that you trust. You may also wish to reach out to your GP or mental health professional.

We've included a list of additional support options in case you need them:

Samaritans are here for whatever you are going through. You can call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders is an eating disorders charity for children and their families, young people, and adults affected by eating difficulties and disorders. You can call them on or email [email protected].

Beat Eating Disorders is an eating disorder charity offering support for those with or supporting someone with an eating disorder. You can call their helpline for free on 0808 801 0677 (England), 0808 801 0432 (Scotland), 0808 801 0433 (Wales), 0808 801 0434 (Northern Ireland).

In this week's episode, Han is joined by Dr Una Foye and Dr Moritz Herle. Una is a mental health researcher working at King’s College London. She has a special interest in eating disorders and uses lived experience voices to help improve our understanding of eating disorders and treatment.

Moritz is a Lecturer at the Social, Genetic & Developmental Psychiatry Centre at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience. Moritz’ research focuses on the origins and development of eating behaviours, childhood weight and their impact on later health outcomes such as eating disorders and obesity.

Una and Moritz are working together on a project exploring the intersection of eating disorders, suicide and self-harm. The project is funded by a fellowship from Rosetrees Trust, Stoneygate Trust, and MQ Transforming Mental Health.

This week, we discuss:

• The motivations and elements of the study Mortiz and Una are conducting.
• Factors contributing to suicidal ideation in individuals with eating disorders.
• The unique elements of the eating disorder experience and suicidal ideation.
• Exploring the genetic factors in the co-occurrence of eating disorders and suicide risk
• The power of multidisciplinary teams in treating eating disorders
• Exploring the idea of an eating disorder as a form of self-harm.
• The necessity of removing stigma around EDs and suicide to prompt important conversations.
• The need for increased funding and improved services
• Advice for individuals struggling with suicidal ideation during an eating disorder

To find out more about the study, you can head over to the MQ mental health website.

If you require further emotional support following this interview you might want to:

• Talk with a relative, friend or other supporter if that is what you prefer
• Contact your GP, or a mental health professional if you are currently using services
• Use a publicly available source of emotional support, we have included a list of some options below:

Samaritans - Call free any time, from any phone, on 116 123.

Hub of Hope is the UK’s leading mental health support database.

FirstSteps Eating Disorders, an England-based eating disorders charity.

Call : 0300 1021685

Email: i[email protected]

Beat Eating Disorders, the UKs leading national Eating Disorders charity.

Call: England (0808 801 0677), Scotland (0808 801 0432), Wales (0808 801 0433), Northern Ireland (0808 801 0434)