In this episode of The Grant Williams Podcast, I welcome Diana Choyleva, Chief Economist at Enodo Economics, for a rigorous unpacking of what ‘de-dollarisation’ really means—and what it doesn’t. Moving beyond the familiar extremes of “the dollar is finished” versus “the dollar is untouchable,” Diana explains how China is methodically building an alternative financial infrastructure centred on the digital yuan and modern payment rails. The issue, she argues, is not oil being priced in dollars, but how energy is paid for and how those dollars are recycled. From Saudi Arabia’s pivotal role to the quiet technological arms race in cross-border payments, this is a masterclass in how currency, geopolitics, and technology are converging to reshape the global monetary order far faster than most realise.

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