LinkedIn CPMs just hit $800. AI is flooding every channel with content. Outbound is dying. So where should B2B marketers actually spend their ad budget right now?

Keith Putnam-Delaney, co-founder & CEO of Primer, joins Sophie to break down the complete state of B2B paid advertising, what's broken, what's working, and where the real opportunities are hiding in 2025.

What you'll learn:
- Why LinkedIn & Google search are hitting a ceiling (and what to do instead)
- How to get 80% match rates on Meta and 70% on Reddit for B2B audiences
- The only moat competitors can't copy: your targeting
- Why you need to feed CRM conversion data back to ad platforms
- Holdout groups, attribution, and what actually proves paid ROI
- The truth about ads in LLMs (ChatGPT, Perplexity, Grok)
- B2B influencer marketing: the most undervalued tactic right now
- Founder lessons from 6 years and 3 pivots building Primer

Chapters:
0:00 – The paid advertising crisis no one's talking about
2:40 – AI's real impact on ad costs
4:06 – Google Search & AI Overviews: what still works
5:04 – LinkedIn CPMs: $20 to $800 in 18 months
6:39 – Why B2B brands need to be on Meta, Reddit & Instagram
7:01 – What Primer does (80% match rates explained)
9:29 – The device fragmentation problem & attribution
11:16 – Holdout groups: the statistically proven approach
13:30 – Which channel to start with (and minimum spend)
22:18 – Paid ad creative: feed the algorithm with variants
25:14 – B2B influencer marketing & thought leadership ads
30:59 – Why you MUST push CRM data back into ad platforms
33:31 – Ads in ChatGPT & LLMs: what's coming
35:53 – Founder lessons, mental health & iteration

Connect with Keith Putnam-Delaney: 
Co-founder, CEO of Primer
Twitter/X: https://x.com/kcpdelaney
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithputnamdelaney/

Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP at GTMnow
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About Keith Putnam-Delaney:
Keith is the co-founder and CEO of Primer (https://www.sayprimer.com/), a B2B paid advertising targeting layer that helps brands unlock high match rates on Meta, Google, Reddit, and beyond. Former brand marketer turned data-driven growth leader.

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Most sales comp plans are quietly broken, and the people running them have no idea. Siva Rajamani, CEO of Everstage, has visibility into 300+ enterprise comp plans, and he says 90% of companies make the same mistakes. In this episode he breaks down what's going wrong, how to spot it, and what a comp plan that actually drives revenue looks like.

Siva explains why sales compensation is not a back office cost center but the single biggest lever in your go-to-market strategy. It's the glue between what a company intends and what reps actually do. If your reps aren't doing what you want, the answer isn't in a 1-on-1. It's in your comp plan.

We get into the over-complication trap, the hidden math that makes reps refuse your best deals, the base-to-variable ratios that actually work, why your top reps should out-earn almost everyone, and how AI is about to blow open the gap between your best and average sellers.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:30 Siva's RevOps background at Freshworks
04:00 Scaling RevOps from 1 to 25
04:50 Why he left to build Everstage
06:30 Why incentives drive revenue, not tools
08:00 Comp as the glue between intent and action
10:30 The 1 to 2 mistakes almost every team makes
12:00 "If your comp plan needs FAQs, it's a tax code"
14:00 The 60-second test for a broken plan
15:30 Designing comp to retain top talent
16:50 How AI widens the gap between top and average reps
18:00 The $1M sales rep is coming
19:30 Why optimizing for top earners is better on margins
21:30 Quota to OTE ratios that actually work
23:00 Base vs variable: the 50/50 rule and exceptions
24:00 What Everstage does and who it serves
25:30 How Everstage structures its own comp plan
28:00 The rise of the revenue architect
48:00 CPQ and connecting margin to commissions
50:30 When should reps earn commission in the deal cycle
52:30 Six month vs twelve month comp cycles
54:30 The most a sales rep has ever made
55:20 Where to find Siva

Connect with Siva Rajamani: 
Co-founder, CEO of Everstage
Twitter/X: https://x.com/siva_rajamani
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sivasrajamani/

Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP at GTMnow
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Ben Lerer, Managing Partner and Founder of Lerer Hippeau, has built one of New York's most influential early-stage venture firms across nine funds and nearly $1.5B in AUM. In this VC edition of the GTMnow podcast, Ben sits down with Max and Paul to unpack how he actually picks founders, why he wants to be the "worst investor" at his own fund, and the contrarian belief that backing good, sensible businesses is a mistake.

Ben got his start in media, building Thrillist before it merged into Group Nine, then turned those relationships and that operator empathy into a venture career writing early checks into companies like Warby Parker and Casper. He shares what's changed about winning deals in a more competitive, sharp-elbowed market, how Lerer Hippeau runs its investment committee on conviction rather than consensus, and the process failure behind passing on Peloton.

We also get into the debate every investor is wrestling with right now: the crazy, fast-moving AI-native founder versus the second or third-time operator with deep domain expertise, and why the answer is rarely a silver bullet.

A real venture-nerd conversation on firm building, IC decision-making, founder selection, and what it takes to chase the power law.

Topics covered:
- The "worst investor at my own fund" philosophy
- Conviction vs. consensus in the investment committee
- Why Lerer Hippeau funds "crazy" founders, not good companies
- The Peloton miss and what it revealed about process
- From Thrillist and digital media to venture capital
- AI-native founders vs. domain experts
- How to win competitive deals as a smaller firm

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:52 Max and Paul on the episode: IC process and founder selection
14:36 Conversation with Ben Lerer begins
15:02 Nine funds, $1.5B AUM, and the early-stage strategy
23:00 From Thrillist to venture: the media springboard
28:00 What's changed in picking founders and winning deals
33:00 How the investment committee grew and evolved
37:40 The "magic" deal and chasing high-conviction bets
50:43 Why Ben wants to be the worst investor at his fund
53:00 Funding crazy people, not good companies
51:35 Yankees or Mets?

Connect with Ben Lerer: 
https://x.com/BenjLerer
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benlerer/

Connect with Max: 
https://x.com/hackitmax
linkedin.com/in/maxaltschuler

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Maleka Momand, co-founder and CEO of Esper, joins Sophie Buonassisi on GTMnow to break down what it actually takes to build and sell software to government. Esper is the operating system for government policy, serving as the system of record for the regulation and internal policy that shapes daily life, from NYPD procedures to nurse practitioner licensing in rural Tennessee.

Maleka shares hard-won lessons from 8 years in GovTech: why winning trust matters more than winning business, why professional services are a moat (not a cost center), and how Esper turns slow, paper-based policy processes into live digital workflows. She also covers the DOGE effect across red and blue states, why enterprise SaaS still has defensible moats in the age of AI, and her advice to founders entering regulated markets.

Whether you're a founder, GTM leader, or operator selling into complex, slow-moving markets, this conversation is packed with practical playbooks on trust, go-to-market, and building durable enterprise software.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:44 Two types of government policy (regulation vs internal)
02:06 The NYPD 3,000-page policy problem
03:23 Digitizing a paper-based, 20-person workflow
04:12 Why policy is infrastructure
05:23 Real impact: Tennessee healthcare & Arkansas hunting licenses
07:45 Esper's ideal customer: complexity, catalyst, volume
08:18 Going to market in GovTech (and why it's slow)
10:16 Advice for founders entering GovTech: win trust first
11:27 Why professional services are a moat
12:38 In-house vs third-party services
13:49 What DOGE actually looks like on the ground
15:11 Is DOGE a tailwind for Esper?
16:36 The new funding round & enterprise SaaS in the age of AI
19:13 From VC to founder: why Maleka made the shift
22:10 Advice for founders: read fiction, not productivity books
24:14 AI, data quality, and the problem with vibe coding
26:43 How Esper uses AI internally (meet "Poly")
27:27 Building a high-agency culture while scaling
29:00 Closing thoughts

Connect with Maleka Momand: 
Co-founder, CEO of Esper
Twitter/X: @MalekaMomand 
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malekamomand

Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP at GTMnow
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One Person, $10M+ ARR, $30M Raised: How Ben Cera Built Polsia (AI Operating System) Solo

Ben Cera, founder of Polsia, just raised $30M at a $250M valuation while running the entire company alone. His AI agent handles his emails, manages customer support, even led his fundraising calls. This is what a solo founder with an AI operating system looks like at scale.

Polsia is an AI operating system that builds and runs companies autonomously. Give it an idea and it builds the product, writes code, conducts research, creates tweets, sets up company infrastructure, and works 24/7 on your behalf. Users are hitting $10M+ ARR using Polsia to scale their businesses.

In this episode we cover:
00:00 - Intro & The Viral Launch Nobody Forgot
01:24 - How He Raised $30M at $250M Valuation with Himself as the Only Employee
02:15 - The Origin Story: Building Polsia from Scratch
04:13 - Why the Controversial Product Name Became Free Marketing ($Millions in Earned Media)
05:55 - What Polsia Actually Does (AI Operating System for Founders)
06:25 - How He Hit $10M+ ARR Running Solo (No Cofounders, No Hires)
10:30 - Building a Company OS That Works 24/7 on Your Behalf
12:00 - The Psychology of Single Founder Mode (Why It Scales Faster)
14:45 - AI Agents Handling Customer Support, Refunds, & Bug Fixes
16:30 - Email Automation: How Polsia Responds to 100% of His Emails
20:15 - The Viral Fundraising Stunt (Live Dashboard + Agent-Led Investor Calls)
25:00 - Why He Let His AI Agent Handle First Meetings with Investors
28:30 - The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy of Distribution (More Visibility = More Traction)
32:15 - How Distribution Strategy Becomes Your Go-To-Market
35:45 - Building in Public While Running Everything Solo
38:00 - Customer Obsession at Scale (Staying Close When You're Alone)
42:56 - Founder Availability: Direct Phone Access to Customers
44:00 - Manufactured Moments That Feel Authentic
50:13 - Why Distribution Isn't an Afterthought Anymore

Key Insights:
- One founder + AI operating system beats small teams without leverage (speed, decision-making, equity concentration)
- Polsia lets you build multiple products simultaneously without hiring (products work 24/7 on your behalf)
- The more controversial your positioning, the more people talk (free marketing from debate)
- AI agents can handle 80% of founder work: emails, support, customer refunds, even investor screening
- Live dashboards showing real-time growth create self-fulfilling prophecies (transparency = conviction)
- Distribution is how you reach product-market fit faster (not an afterthought)
- AI agents leading first investor meetings works (validates the product claim + generates buzz)
- Customer intimacy at scale = founder still takes direct texts from users
- Retention matters more than naming: customers don't complain about the name, they just use it
- One person with AI tools > 5 people building without leverage

Why This Matters:
This is the playbook for next-generation founders in 2026. Ben shows you how to: scale solo using AI agents, multiply your output without hiring, go viral intentionally, raise capital through distribution, and stay close to customers at scale. If you're a founder thinking about AI leverage, autonomous systems, or scaling lean, this is essential.

Watch This If You're:
- Solo founders scaling without a team
- Founders interested in AI agents and autonomous systems
- Learning about AI-first product development
- Studying modern GTM and distribution strategy
- Raising capital in 2026 (fundraising case study)
- Building products with AI agents doing the work
- Curious about the solo founder + AI agent trend
- Following autonomous company builders

Connect with Ben Cera:
Founder & CEO of Polsia
Twitter/X: @bencera 
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benbroca/

Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP at GTMnow
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AI Infrastructure Spending is Insane: Hyperscalers Betting $575B on the Data Center Race | Tomasz Tunguz

This year's data center infrastructure spending will be the 5th largest infrastructure project in history (bigger than everything except railroads and the two world wars). Tomasz Tunguz breaks down what nobody appreciates about the scale of the AI boom.

Tomasz Tunguz, General Partner at Theory Ventures, and one of the most insightful voices on AI infrastructure, data stacks, and founder strategy.

In this episode we cover:
00:00 - Intro & The Scale Nobody Anticipated
02:13 - Data Center CapEx Could Hit 5-7% of US GDP by 2030
05:21 - For Every $1 AI Companies Make, They Spend $12 on Infrastructure ($575B Bet)
06:20 - Market Share Capture vs. Margin Games: The Chicken Game Big Tech is Playing
09:48 - How the Data Stack & AI/ML Worlds Have Completely Fused
12:33 - Product-Market Fit is No Longer Binary: It's Continuous Now
15:17 - How AI is Changing Venture Capital & Portfolio Management
17:09 - The Future: Image & Video Data is Going to Require MASSIVE Infrastructure
18:25 - Pattern Recognition Across Winning Companies (Domain Expertise is Key)
20:50 - Hot Take: Corporate Org Structure Will Transform in 5 Years
21:00 - Final Advice to Founders: Nobody Knows the Answer

Key Insights:
- Hyperscalers are spending ALL free cash flow + borrowing heavily to fund data center CapEx (Meta, Google, Oracle levered 7:1 on cash flow basis)
- The dominant metric: intelligence per watt of electricity
- Anthropic rumored to have very high gross margins (first wave competition)
- Data teams are now reporting to heads of engineering (huge organizational shift)
- Inference demand is infinite: models are growing 5-10x in size
- Foundation models broke product-market fit: it's now continuous, not static
- Second-time founders win because they understand domain history & distribution
- PR is now a major distribution channel for AI companies (unlike software era)
- Building for images & video is the next frontier (1,000-10,000x larger than text data)

Watch this if you're:
- Founders building AI/data companies
- Investors analyzing the AI infrastructure play
- Product leaders understanding AI's organizational impact
- Anyone following the AI market seriously

Connect with Max:
https://x.com/hackitmax
https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxaltschuler/

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Guest: Tomasz Tunguz, General Partner
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Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP at GTMnow
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The future of websites isn't a builder problem anymore. It's an agent problem.

In this episode of GTMnow, Sophie Buonassisi sits down with Linda Tong, CEO of Webflow, to unpack how the entire web is being rewritten for a world where humans AND AI agents are your audience.

Linda breaks down why Webflow is no longer "just a website builder" (it's an agentic web marketing platform), what the Vidoso acquisition unlocks for AI-generated brand assets, and how the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) is forcing marketers to rethink content from the ground up. She also shares the practical playbooks her team uses to "vibe" sites into production with the Webflow MCP server, why human creativity is the only real moat left, and how she built her own personal CRM using Claude Code.

If you run a GTM team, lead marketing, or are trying to figure out what your website should even look like in 2026, this one is essential.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN
-Why your website is now the #1 source of truth for humans, bots, and agents
-The shift from static sites to continuously optimizing, dynamic experiences
-How "vibe coding" with MCP is changing the way teams build on the web
-Inside the Vidoso acquisition and what "brand-governed AI" actually means
-AppGen: going from prompt to production without losing brand consistency
-Answer Engine Optimization (AEO): the non-obvious mistakes marketers are making
-How to structure a marketing team made of humans plus agent swarms
-The "5 words" exercise every CEO should run inside their company
-Linda's personal CRM built with Claude Code (and how Webflow scales internal AI)
-Why "unlimited credits" and Builder Days unlock real AI productivity

ABOUT THE GUEST
Linda Tong is the CEO of Webflow, the agentic web marketing platform powering some of the most respected brands on the internet. Before stepping into the CEO role, Linda served as President and COO at Webflow, and previously led product at Cisco's AppDynamics and held senior roles at Google.

CHAPTERS 
00:00 Intro 
01:41 From static to dynamic 
03:12 Inside the Vidoso acquisition 
05:38 The human moat 
07:17 Beyond the website builder 
08:55 Structuring human + agent teams 
09:58 AppGen, explained 
10:45 Prompt to production 
12:11 AEO misconceptions 
14:40 Holistic AEO strategy 
16:38 The 5 words exercise 
18:10 Linda's personal CRM 
19:31 Central vs. individual AI 
20:44 Inside Webflow's Builder Days

Guest: Linda Tong, CEO Webflow
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lktong/
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Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP at GTMnow
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ABOUT GTMnow 
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AI is rewriting go-to-market and most companies are still operating with a “Frankenstein stack.”

In this episode of GTMnow, we sit down with David, founder & CEO of Reevo, to unpack how AI-native companies will replace legacy GTM systems, why the future of sales teams looks radically different, and how AI agents are becoming the new operating layer for revenue teams.

David shares why Reevo stayed in stealth while building a vertically integrated AI revenue operating system, the problem of institutional knowledge loss in sales organizations, and why the old playbook for SaaS and GTM is breaking in 2026.

We also dive deep into:
- AI-native go-to-market strategy
- The death of the legacy SaaS tech stack
- Revenue operating systems explained
- AI agents for sales, marketing, and customer success
- How founders should think about AI adoption
- Building startups in the age of AI
- Why “failure is the cornerstone of innovation”
- AI-driven sales productivity and revenue efficiency
- Founder-led sales in 2026
- The future of CROs, CMOs, and RevOps
- AI copilots, Jarvis-style workflows, and GTM automation
- Scaling teams without scaling headcount

If you're a founder, CRO, CMO, GTM leader, SaaS operator, AI builder, or investor trying to understand where B2B software and go-to-market are headed next, this episode is for you.

Timestamps:
 00:00 Intro
 01:20 Why Reevo built in stealth
 04:50 Why AI can finally disrupt GTM tech stacks
 09:20 What Reevo actually does
 11:10 AI outcomes vs headcount growth
 15:00 How AI changes leadership & innovation
 19:00 Why legacy GTM teams are vulnerable
 23:00 The future of AI-native GTM organizations
 29:00 Running an AI-native company internally
 34:00 David’s favorite AI workflows & tools
 37:40 Advice for introverted founders & leaders

Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP Marketing at GTMnow
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Guest: David Zhu, Co-founder and CEO at Reevo
https://www.linkedin.com/in/zhuventures/

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Tyler Hogge helped take Divvy from zero to a $2.5B acquisition by Bill.com. Now, as General Partner at Pelion Ventures, he argues that charging for software is dead, per-seat pricing is collapsing, and the next decade of venture-scale companies will be built on outcomes, not subscriptions.

In this episode of the GTMnow VC Podcast, Tyler sits down with Max to break down what comes after SaaS pricing, why founder intensity is the only trait that still matters in 2026, and how Pelion concentrates capital into its biggest winners (Cloudflare alone returned over $1B to the fund). He also shares why most startups won't survive going head-to-head with OpenAI and Anthropic, the "bent the odds" contract he signed with Redo's CEO, and the lesson from raising four kids that changed how he leads.

This is an honest, no-fluff conversation about where venture is going as AI commoditizes software.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:14 Intro
18:48 Tyler joins
23:09 "Sell Jesus, sell anything"
27:42 The $2.5B Divvy exit
34:39 The "bent the odds" contract
38:11 Startups vs. OpenAI and Anthropic
39:05 "Software is worth zero"
40:55 The death of per-seat pricing
43:02 Lessons from raising 4 kids
46:44 "LinkedIn is the trailer park"

Connect with Tyler:
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/thogge/

Connect with Max:
https://x.com/hackitmax
https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxaltschuler/

Connect with Paul:
https://x.com/PaulGTM
https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulsirving/

About Tyler Hogge:
Tyler Hogge is a General Partner at Pelion Ventures, Utah's oldest and largest venture fund with $500M AUM across eight funds. Before Pelion, Tyler was VP of Product at Divvy, which sold to Bill.com for $2.5B in 2021. Earlier in his career, he was a product leader at Wealthfront under Andy Rachleff and Adam Nash. He's based in Utah and one of the most active venture capitalists on X.

About GTMnow:
GTMnow is the media arm of GTMfund, a pre-seed and seed-stage B2B SaaS venture firm backed by an LP base of 300+ C-suite and VP-level operators from the best go-to-market organizations in tech. The GTMnow VC Podcast publishes every other week with the investors and operators shaping the next decade of B2B software.

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The GTMnow Podcast
The GTMnow Podcast is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with the top 1% GTM executives, VCs, and founders. Conversations reveal the unshared details behind how they have grown companies, and the go-to-market strategies responsible for shaping that growth.

Visit gtmnow.com for more episodes and other interesting content. 

Boomi was founded in the early 2000s by Rick Nucci, acquired by Dell in 2010, and then spun out to Francisco Partners and TPG Capital in 2021. Today it powers 30,000+ enterprise customers globally and moves more data per second than the entire Visa card network, times two. What started as an integration platform has evolved into something bigger: the leading data activation company, purpose-built for the agentic AI era.

Steve Lucas took over as CEO in early 2023, just as ChatGPT was about to reshape the entire software landscape. A three-time CEO with nearly 30 years in enterprise software, Steve previously led Marketo through its $4.75B acquisition by Adobe (the largest in Adobe's history at the time), scaled iCIMS into the world's leading talent acquisition cloud, and held senior roles at SAP, Salesforce, Adobe, and BusinessObjects. He's also the author of "Digital Impact: The Human Element of AI Driven Transformation," a book arguing that the AI revolution will stall unless companies fix the fragmentation of their data first.

In this episode, Sophie Buonassisi sits down with Steve at HumanX in San Francisco to unpack why 2026 is the year AI moves from pilot to production, the three diagnostic questions every CEO should ask before deploying agentic AI, and why "change only happens at the speed of trust." Steve also gets candid about the internal protest that erupted when Boomi rolled out its first CSM agent, his prediction that AI will go from influencing 20% of executive decisions to making 90% of them within 2 years, and how he picked up Claude Code on an airplane to vibe-code a contracts agent for his sales team.

If you're a founder, operator, or GTM leader trying to figure out whether your business is actually ready for agentic AI (or just chasing the buzzword), this one is for you.

TIMESTAMPS

0:00  Intro

0:58  Welcome to GTMnow at HumanX

1:10  Why 2026 is when AI moves from pilot to production

2:32  Influencing decisions vs. making decisions: the next 2 years

3:18  Digital Impact: why fragmentation will stall the AI revolution

5:01  "Get your data to the gym": the new slogan

5:20  The 3 questions to know if your company is AI-ready

6:47  Change happens at the speed of trust

7:53  The internal protest behind Boomi's CSM agent

9:32  From integration platform to data activation: the strategic shift

10:50 Steve's most transformative AI workflow as a CEO

11:12 Vibe coding with Claude on an airplane

12:20 Where to follow Steve and Boomi

Host: Sophie Buonassisi, SVP Marketing at GTMnow

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Guest: Steve Lucas, CEO at Boomi

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nstevenlucas/

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The GTMnow Podcast
The GTMnow Podcast is a weekly podcast featuring interviews with the top 1% GTM executives, VCs, and founders. Conversations reveal the unshared details behind how they have grown companies, and the go-to-market strategies responsible for shaping that growth.

Visit gtmnow.com for more episodes and other interesting content.