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3PP 19 Life Cycles of a Children's Book
Projects:
Will: Still working on the Painting Color and Light class. I’m gonna be working on it for a while. Loves working on classes, and loves having them. Loves it. It takes a long time but is very satisfying.
Life Cycle of a Children’s Book
Today we talk about where a book starts, what it does in its lifetime, how it ends, and all the hands that touch it.
There are two different branches to children’s books, and they are:
We’re going to focus on the first, and talk about how a book is made and published going through a publisher. Not self publishing.
The Manuscript
After a writer has gone through all of their ideas, and has a manuscript nailed down, they then submit that manuscript to their agent. The agent reads through the manuscript and decides if it’s something they think they can sell. Then the agent usually will give notes back to the author. If the agent is good, then they should know the market and what’s selling right now.
Once that stage is over, then the agent will take it to publishers and start shopping it around.
Should you chase what’s hot?
The Agent Takes it to the Publishers
She takes it to publishers and gauges their interest. more often than not they will have a list of go to editors that they will show it to first. The publisher level might want to get on board too if it’s a really good idea. The editor takes it to the publisher and they bounce it around and see if it’s a book that this publisher wants to publish. They will talk to all sorts of people about schedule, etc. And if it all works out and is a good fit then they will come back with an offer.
Victoria Jamieson, Roller Girl
She’s an author illustrator now, and she used to work in publishing. She had a wonderful slideshow that walked people through the process of how a book is made. There are like 100 people working on deciding if a book should be done or not. There are a lot of people that have to give their stamp of approval. It’s good to not know about all of the near misses because then you will be beating yourself up over them and spend way too much time worrying.
The money you are offered is a fraction of the money that will be spent making the book. There is printing, marketing, sales, etc. all involved. They all need to have a say to make sure it will work across all departments.
Would you trade this for a less free but more stable job?
Jake loved animation, but he is happier with the independence that his lifestyle offers now.
If there was a house style for picture books, it would take a lot of creativity out of the market.
The Publisher Strikes a Deal With the Illustrator.
Once the light is green. Once you get the green light, an offer is made, and you are in a good position if you are getting offers from multiple publishers. Then once the offer is made they will start looking for an illustrator. If you are an author then they will have a short list of
Then if you are an illustrator then you will get to look at the manuscript and decide if you want to take this project on.
You need to know your process inside and out. You really need to understand how long things take, comps, scanning ,etc.
Receiving Your Advance, and Getting to Work
Once all of this is squared away then you sign the contract and at that point you get an “advance”, this is upfront money. This protects you as an artist because you get money upfront to see you through the creative process.
This is how an advance works:
There are two options:
The advance is against the royalties, so you would start making royalties after making the $20,000.
We like to be real in this podcast. And you don’t get the check immediately upon signing the contract. When you sign it, it still usually takes 1-2 months for you to actually receive the advance. Publishing is weird, horses still bring you your checks. This speaks to the idea that you need to be good with your money and learn to budget and plan ahead.
Also in the contract, it should outline the game plan for the actual production of the book. It is usually around a year or 2 years later. The reason is that once you have started creating some art, then they can use that artwork to start selling the book to bookstores, libraries, etc. This all happens well in advance. Stores and libraries all are projecting and trying to predict what will sell or what will not sell in the future.All of this starts to happen as you start sending them files.
Production Process
Process in a Nutshell
It sounds complicated but they are directing it, and so all you need to do is meet your deadlines and respond to their emails.
Final Check on the Proofs
After all the art is in their hands, then they will go through and format it, they will format the type. They will prep everything for print.
After the proofs then you get the FNG’s, short for Folded and Gathered. These are the folded sheets, and it is what the book is really going to look like. This is where you can go through and double check everything. It’s probably too late to fix minor things but if there are major things then you can try and catch it before the book is printed.
True Story:
FNG’s. There is this lingo, and little terms that get thrown at you that you never learned in school.
Book Reviews
After the FNG’s are approved then you will receive some advanced copies. The finished book. Not just you but other people like librarians with a book review audience, book reviewers, other publishers and agents, all people who are connected to this book somehow will get the books so that they can start reviewing them and telling people what they should think of the book.
What you are looking for at this stage is for good reviews.
If you do not get a “starred review” not a 5 starred review, but a starred review, then people will look at the book as a miss, and it most likely won’t be a commercial success.
Reviews. A lot of reviews are kind of arbitrary because the people reviewing them aren’t artists and the reviews are being given by individuals.
Lee did a book and the review was saying that the book was quite poignant, and full of emotion, great. However, he drew a girl without a helmet, and got a bad review because on one page
Release Day
Book comes out, you are tweeting, and posting on Instagram about the book deal. There is some marketing that you need to do as author or illustrator and it all leads up to the launch of the book.
Publishers are hoping that at least one of the books they published will get an award. Every eighth or twelth book they publish is paying for all the others.
You go on a book tour, and then you go home, or your book goes onto a best-seller list. You usually find this out, a week or two after the book is published. These accolades are not essential but feel good.
Getting onto the The Best Seller Lists, sometimes it’s really easy to gain your way or you can sneak your way onto their lists.
Even more important than the Best Seller Lists for how your book is selling is the Amazon seller rank. If you are anywhere under 10,000 for best selling books on Amazon, then you are
Periodically you will receive a royalty statement.
Death or Eternal Life for a Book
Then your book will either die and go out of print. Or it will continue to get royalties.
The publisher does a lot of work. They do a lot of heavy lifting. So you can look at it this way, you are getting paid to create and you are also receiving free advertising.
Big advance or big royalty?
School visits, Jerry Polada does a lot of school visits, the fact that he does school visits every week and that volume of visits and work he does can help him with getting books sold to publishers.
3 Point Perspective Podcast is sponsored by SVSLearn.com, the place where becoming a great illustrator starts!
Click here for this episode’s links and show notes.
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3PP 19 Life Cycles of a Children's Book
Projects:
Will: Still working on the Painting Color and Light class. I’m gonna be working on it for a while. Loves working on classes, and loves having them. Loves it. It takes a long time but is very satisfying.
Life Cycle of a Children’s Book
Today we talk about where a book starts, what it does in its lifetime, how it ends, and all the hands that touch it.
There are two different branches to children’s books, and they are:
We’re going to focus on the first, and talk about how a book is made and published going through a publisher. Not self publishing.
The Manuscript
After a writer has gone through all of their ideas, and has a manuscript nailed down, they then submit that manuscript to their agent. The agent reads through the manuscript and decides if it’s something they think they can sell. Then the agent usually will give notes back to the author. If the agent is good, then they should know the market and what’s selling right now.
Once that stage is over, then the agent will take it to publishers and start shopping it around.
Should you chase what’s hot?
The Agent Takes it to the Publishers
She takes it to publishers and gauges their interest. more often than not they will have a list of go to editors that they will show it to first. The publisher level might want to get on board too if it’s a really good idea. The editor takes it to the publisher and they bounce it around and see if it’s a book that this publisher wants to publish. They will talk to all sorts of people about schedule, etc. And if it all works out and is a good fit then they will come back with an offer.
Victoria Jamieson, Roller Girl
She’s an author illustrator now, and she used to work in publishing. She had a wonderful slideshow that walked people through the process of how a book is made. There are like 100 people working on deciding if a book should be done or not. There are a lot of people that have to give their stamp of approval. It’s good to not know about all of the near misses because then you will be beating yourself up over them and spend way too much time worrying.
The money you are offered is a fraction of the money that will be spent making the book. There is printing, marketing, sales, etc. all involved. They all need to have a say to make sure it will work across all departments.
Would you trade this for a less free but more stable job?
Jake loved animation, but he is happier with the independence that his lifestyle offers now.
If there was a house style for picture books, it would take a lot of creativity out of the market.
The Publisher Strikes a Deal With the Illustrator.
Once the light is green. Once you get the green light, an offer is made, and you are in a good position if you are getting offers from multiple publishers. Then once the offer is made they will start looking for an illustrator. If you are an author then they will have a short list of
Then if you are an illustrator then you will get to look at the manuscript and decide if you want to take this project on.
You need to know your process inside and out. You really need to understand how long things take, comps, scanning ,etc.
Receiving Your Advance, and Getting to Work
Once all of this is squared away then you sign the contract and at that point you get an “advance”, this is upfront money. This protects you as an artist because you get money upfront to see you through the creative process.
This is how an advance works:
There are two options:
The advance is against the royalties, so you would start making royalties after making the $20,000.
We like to be real in this podcast. And you don’t get the check immediately upon signing the contract. When you sign it, it still usually takes 1-2 months for you to actually receive the advance. Publishing is weird, horses still bring you your checks. This speaks to the idea that you need to be good with your money and learn to budget and plan ahead.
Also in the contract, it should outline the game plan for the actual production of the book. It is usually around a year or 2 years later. The reason is that once you have started creating some art, then they can use that artwork to start selling the book to bookstores, libraries, etc. This all happens well in advance. Stores and libraries all are projecting and trying to predict what will sell or what will not sell in the future.All of this starts to happen as you start sending them files.
Production Process
Process in a Nutshell
It sounds complicated but they are directing it, and so all you need to do is meet your deadlines and respond to their emails.
Final Check on the Proofs
After all the art is in their hands, then they will go through and format it, they will format the type. They will prep everything for print.
After the proofs then you get the FNG’s, short for Folded and Gathered. These are the folded sheets, and it is what the book is really going to look like. This is where you can go through and double check everything. It’s probably too late to fix minor things but if there are major things then you can try and catch it before the book is printed.
True Story:
FNG’s. There is this lingo, and little terms that get thrown at you that you never learned in school.
Book Reviews
After the FNG’s are approved then you will receive some advanced copies. The finished book. Not just you but other people like librarians with a book review audience, book reviewers, other publishers and agents, all people who are connected to this book somehow will get the books so that they can start reviewing them and telling people what they should think of the book.
What you are looking for at this stage is for good reviews.
If you do not get a “starred review” not a 5 starred review, but a starred review, then people will look at the book as a miss, and it most likely won’t be a commercial success.
Reviews. A lot of reviews are kind of arbitrary because the people reviewing them aren’t artists and the reviews are being given by individuals.
Lee did a book and the review was saying that the book was quite poignant, and full of emotion, great. However, he drew a girl without a helmet, and got a bad review because on one page
Release Day
Book comes out, you are tweeting, and posting on Instagram about the book deal. There is some marketing that you need to do as author or illustrator and it all leads up to the launch of the book.
Publishers are hoping that at least one of the books they published will get an award. Every eighth or twelth book they publish is paying for all the others.
You go on a book tour, and then you go home, or your book goes onto a best-seller list. You usually find this out, a week or two after the book is published. These accolades are not essential but feel good.
Getting onto the The Best Seller Lists, sometimes it’s really easy to gain your way or you can sneak your way onto their lists.
Even more important than the Best Seller Lists for how your book is selling is the Amazon seller rank. If you are anywhere under 10,000 for best selling books on Amazon, then you are
Periodically you will receive a royalty statement.
Death or Eternal Life for a Book
Then your book will either die and go out of print. Or it will continue to get royalties.
The publisher does a lot of work. They do a lot of heavy lifting. So you can look at it this way, you are getting paid to create and you are also receiving free advertising.
Big advance or big royalty?
School visits, Jerry Polada does a lot of school visits, the fact that he does school visits every week and that volume of visits and work he does can help him with getting books sold to publishers.
3 Point Perspective Podcast is sponsored by SVSLearn.com, the place where becoming a great illustrator starts!
Click here for this episode’s links and show notes.
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