Carlos Redlich is a life-long martial artist turned copywriting and marketing black belt.

Carlos and I (David Allan) once did a podcast together before he landed a massive retainer client.

He has continued with his freelance copy career since last we spoke…

BUT he has some new experiences to share.

From in the copy trenches.

This one strategy I have heard from a few copywriters (like Ben Settle and Doberman Dan)…

But it bears repeating because it can work almost like magic.

He also drops a very simple and straightforward Facebook system to lure new clients.

So listen and then DO.

The rewards are yours for the taking.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* Bruce Lee’s secret to learning anything…including copywriting!

* How stories endure…the PR savvy of dead celebrities.

* One angle you can use in your copy that you may have overlooked (leaving money on the table).

* How to steal your way to the bank (the ethical genius of Jay Abraham).

* Carlos’ secret to closing sales even Obi-Wan Kenobi would be proud of. (Also – his “Cohones” method to getting money upfront!)

Mentioned:

*

li* a href="https://facebook.com/takeovertuesdaypodcast/"_blank">Takeover Tuesday Podcast

* Jay Abraham

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody we’re back for another edition of the podcast and I have a very special guest. Normally I’d say that anyway, but this is extra special because Carlos Redlich and I started a podcast more than a year ago now I think because I just got a Facebook reminder about a couple of the interviews we used to do and he’s a fellow copywriter who became too busy with his freelance career to basically continue with the podcast. And I ended up doing the podcast for John McIntyre and releasing other ones which was called Takeover Tuesday and Carlos is now on the show. Finally we are here.

Carlos Redlich: Yeah man happy and excited to be on the call as though it’s a long time no see. You know what I mean.

David Allan: Yeah man. We’ve been out of touch for a bit because everyone’s been busy as heck fire. So yeah. So it’s been crazy it’s been a wild ride. So let’s start with sort of you know I can’t remember the last time I talked to you it’s been a lot of months anyways. But at that point you you had landed a massive client for your freelance business. You didn’t cooperate you were doing a whole you’re on retainer you were doing a whole bunch of shit for them. Maybe start from there and sort of you know what’s it all for you. I know you went to trafficking reversions I know you the US You just moved to Arizona I think back when we were just diverting parts basically. So would you bring us up to speed. Yeah.

Carlos Redlich: So I mean again appreciate being on the call.

Yeah I mean I think last time we talked when I picked up our one really big retainer client who’s pay 10 grand a month we were doing tons of shit and then we actually mean we’re still friends. We don’t do the retainer any more we’re doing kind of like profit share stuff and he’s crashing into it and stuff so it’s really the best part is he’s actually in Arizona way 15 minutes down the street. I usually go have a barbecue at his place anyway.

Craig Simpson started making fake rocks in his parents garage.

What he learned first from a marketing book and then trial and error led him to sell 4000 of ’em.

When he joined a direct response company they threw the classics at him.

Claude Hopkins…

Robert Collier…

David Ogilvy.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Unlike other guests on the podcast, though, Craig deals in what is becoming a more “hush-hush” media.

Direct mail.

From an eye-opening study of lifetime customer value…

to what the internet is doing to copywriting…

This interview with Craig is spillling over with marketing nuggets.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* How backyard rock-climbing led Craig into his current marketing career

* Which marketing classics? (The book he recommends if you want to learn how to persuade like a pro)

* Why the internet has scared people away from direct mail and the consequences.

* 150,000 people can’t be wrong. How to increase lifetime customer value five-fold in 18 months.

* Are we witnessing the death of copywriter royalties? Craig weighs in – AND copywriter blunders that drive clients crazy!

Mentioned:

*

li* a href="https://www.simpson-direct.com/"_blank">Simpson Direct – Turning Mail Into Money

* The Direct Mail Solution with Craig & Dan Kennedy

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody we’re back with another edition of the podcast we have another exciting guest on today. He is a direct mail specialist and he has coauthored many books with some of people that I’ve learned from. And his latest one is called The Advertising Solution with Brian Kurtz… Craig Simpson…Welcome to the show.

Craig Simpson: Great thank you for having me. I appreciate being on the show today and get a chance to talk to you.

David Allan: Yeah you know you’re somebody I’ve heard about for quite a few years now when I got started in copywriting I heard your name sort of bounced around a bit. I’ve read some of the books you’ve coauthored with Dan Kennedy. And it’s interesting to sort of put a voice and in this case a face because I have the book in front of me and said that you’ve just heard about for a while in sort of a mix around in the same circles. So maybe like we like to do start from this sort of your humble beginnings and give us the trajectory of how you arrived at where you’re at today.

Craig Simpson: Sure. You know I got into marketing a really interesting way. I was about 18 years old and I had built this 20 foot high fake rock climbing wall in my parent’s backyard they live in the home I was really into rock climbing and so I scraped together a few nickel and dime. I built the you know everything I had. I built the rock climbing wall. And when I was done building it I had no money left to buy the little fake hold that you bought on the wall. And so I started messing around with some different polyester thing and then I found a formula that made these really cool fake rock climbing. And so my buddy came over and they climbed in the water I had made these holes and everyone loved them and they said

great you should start selling them. And so I thought OK all I’ll now these big rock.

She’s been AWAI’s Copywriter of the Year.

She’s appeared on Dr. Oz!

She among an elite few at the top of the copywriting profession and she’s spilling her secrets.

Rising up through the ranks at Phillips Publishing, she once gave her boss an ultimatum…

and landed a better job.

She struggled to break into copywriting as she was typecast as a direct mail list consultant.

But she persevered.

Carline is a testament to determination and hard work.

Along with some street smarts, ambition and landing a world class mentor…

she can make it rain money by putting pen to paper.

She lays out her whole process – start to finish.

Kick back, there’s a whole lotta insight in these 30 minutes.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* The “green sheet” gambit she used to land a promotion inside Phillips Publishing.

* The A-list copywriter who told her she “writes like a girl” and then became her mentor!

* Her entire A to Z process from the first call with a client to writing a million dollar package.

* Was Gene Schwartz right? Is copy assembled? Listen to discover Carline’s dump-file secrets.

* Her advice to the young upstart. What you should be doing TODAY to get your foot in the door.

Mentioned:

*

li* a href="https://www.makepeacetotalpackage.com/"_blank">Clayton Makepeace

* Carline on Dr. Oz

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody it’s David Allan the back with another edition of the podcast. I’m excited about today because we have really one of the best writers period. But I think she stands out because she’s female you know and you don’t hear as much about these kind of people in the copywriting world. And so one of the best A-list copywriters on the planet. Carline Cole, how are you?

Carline Anglade-Cole: I’m great David how you doing.

David Allan: Good. Very good! I was going to botch your name there a little bit so I skipped the hyphenation…

Carline Anglade-Cole: I caught that. It’s Carline Anglade-Cole.

David Allan: Oh, I would have got that then. And usually I screw up lots of names so nothing new then…

Carline Anglade-Cole: Well with a name like david Allan, I guess you have the luxury of….[laughter]

David Allan: Now, usually we like to start off with what I call your superhero origin story. Take us back to a point where you maybe weren’t in copywriting, weren’t in direct-response and maybe ha da normal job or just came out of school and sort of give us the journey up top the present time.

Carline Anglade-Cole: Oh wow,OK. All right well in the words of Steve Martin I was born a poor black child…Is that back far enough?

I actually thought of stumbling in and this whole area as most people in my in my group tend to do. There’s no such thing as a. It was no copywriting school. No. Are there really other ways to get into this industry. Unless you sort of stumbled into a wall of 20 25 years ago. So I had I had a daughter who was three years old and then another one. I’ll actually use two and a half years all and then I had another one who was a year old. My husband was a firefighter and I was looking for a job that would be a part time job that will have a flexible schedule to allow me to stay home with the kids and alter...

Her mother thought it was a complete scam when she was flown to a live event by Derek Halpern.

A year later, her mom still thought it was shady when she was writing for Ramit Sethi…

And making real money!

She brought some ideas from her journalism background that

gave her a leg up.

Which led to finding her niche in big personality brands.

She has figured out the way you can imitate a client’s voice with a simple, easy system.

In fact her entire freelance business is now run on simple systems…

So she can focus on the work.

This could be the most important episode of the podcast if you’re a freelancer.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* The first salesletter she ever wrote didn’t convert a single soul!

* The importance of attending LIVE events. (Abbey has made a career out of closing down the bar).

* The one idea she brought from her journalism career led to her “superpower” and created her own niche!

* How does she write her copy? Abbey walks us through part of her copy process.

* How systems have revolutionized her freelance business. (She provides her full workflow on her website – all 18 steps!).

Mentioned:

* Abbey Woodcock

* Abbey’s Business Of Copy website

* Ramit Sethi

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody David Allan from makewordspay.com. We have another great exciting guest here today someone who is on the freelance route as a copywriter and has great experience – and systems stuff to put in place to help you with your freelance career. Abbey Woodcock. Welcome to the show.

Abbey Woodcock: Awesome. So great to be here. Thanks for having me on.

David Allan: Yeah it’s really great to have you on. You were recommended by one of the other people that we had on our one of our previous shows and came highly recommended for your story and your skill set. Everything of course. Now maybe let’s start at the very beginning. I got into all this superhero origin story. Where did you come from and how did you get into this mess of marketing a copywriting.

Abbey Woodcock: Well I guess it depends on when you start counting. So my first ever long form sales letter was in seventh grade. I wrote a 30 page letter to a boy to ask to the eighth grade dance. So I was amazed by the zero percent were conversion on that line. So I’ve always kind of been a writer at heart. As you can imagine seventh grade nominee to know that not many boys are getting 30 page letters but. And so I dove into journalism first and learn two really important skill sets in journalism which was to write fast on a deadline and to write super clear. So I loved journalism loved reporting but the hours and the pay are terrible. So I had to figure out something else. And I discovered this land of Narnia as I call it online marketing kind of by accident and fell in love and I dove into copywriting from there.

00:02:00

It’s awesome. Now when you first heard of copywriting Did you have any idea what that actually was.

00:02:07

No of course like everyone I thought copywriting had to do with you know true trademarks in books and you know all that kind of stuff.

00:02:15

And I actually went to a an event a lot of events to learn about online marketing because even though I’d gone to coll...

He started by building a website for his friend.

Realizing that “something” needed to actually fill the design he created…

He started cracking the old copy books.

You’ve read ’em, right?

Claude Hopkins – John Caples – the classics.

In learning the traditional way and attempting to teach it to others…

He found that students struggled and faltered.

So he set about creating a different way to expose people to

the world of writing copy.

What he discovered was more than a little backward.

So crumple up your preconceptions and toss ’em away.

It can take a new perspective to create continued growth.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* How to avoid the many problems of copy-writing with this simple alternative. (Same thing taught by email superstar Matt Furey)

* How to pull off the hardest aspect of any copy project by changing where you start.

* The one freelance copywriting tip you can use to stop problem clients dead in their tracks.

* 5 red flags that should keep you from working with 97.5% of bad clients.

* Ferret out this one thing clients want and save yourself hours of frustration.

Mentioned:

* Learn Copywriting Backwards

* Attention Thievery

* Bnonn Tennant

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey everybody, back for another edition of a podcast interview for you I think this is going to be good because we’re actually talking to somebody who’s in the future and that is because of the time difference between here in California and New Zealand is so great that he’s actually on I guess it would be Friday already. Is that right now are you going to have to tell me how to pronounce your name before I give a crack at it.

Bnonn Tennant: Fair enough. So my name Bnonn (pronounced Non).

David Allan: You know that’s what I was going to say. So I feel very good about myself. Excellent Bnonn Tennant, you’re in New Zealand and you’re a marketing specialist. We sort of met through a circuitous route, a person we have in common and it’s been a while I had you pegged for a guest a long time ago. But like anything of course we get caught up and those lists go missing and you know you sort of weave your way back around because I don’t really know that much about you either. Maybe we’ll start with your sort of superhero origin story you can tell us how you got this whole marketing thing that brings you up to today.

Bnonn Tennant: Sure. Well my origins story starts in the pit of hell. An IT department. It’s where I had been working for seven or eight years and it got to the point that it was going to be some kind of postal or rooftop incident if I kept working that great at that time I had a good friend who runs a business to run the business is doing data recovery and he was complaining to me about the price of getting any website done and I had been dabbling in web design and I’d been writing as a hobby for a long time and I said to him you know I can do that website cheaply. And so I did. And then I thought to myself you know if I can pay for the website and he’ll pay for it like they do it for other people. And that was what happened. And of course I started out with design but as soon as I got into it I got clients I was like.

She worked her way up inside a marketing company…

Using what she calls the “stair-step” approach.

After working on shorter copy projects she was finally given

a shot.

She broke through when she defeated a direct-response legend.

Then she defeated a titan from the copywriting Mount Rushmore and his 7-year control.

She has become known as a control-busting force and one of the best copywriters on the planet.

All that and raising a family too!

Her story is amazing and she delivers on this episode.

So sit-down…plug in…

And shorten your learning curve for getting to the very top of the profession.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* The “Godzilla” start to her long-form copy career and how to put yourself in the way of opportunity.

* How she defeated two copywriting legends and sent her stock through the roof. (After previous Boardroom brush-offs!)

* The one book NOBODY told her about when she worked at Phillips Publishing. (If you haven’t read it yet – get on it)

* One tip for freelancers that could rescue you from your parents basement while you get paid.

* The illegal lengths she went to in acquiring the absolute best knowledge. She was actually in the room when this legend gave his famous presentation.

Mentioned:

* Kim Krause-Schwalm

* A-List Copywriter’s Manifesto

* The Girls Club

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey Everybody We’re back with another exciting edition of the podcast and we have a very special guest today. One of the A-list copywriters in the entire world. She’s the first female to ever get to control at Boardroom. And I’m really excited to talk to her about the new things she’s developing right now as well as all her control busting secrets. Kim Schwalm How are you?

Kim Schwalm: I’m doing great, David. Good to see you.

David Allan: Awesome awesome to have you on the show. So I guess the first thing we like to do on the show is we like to go back to how you got yourself all wrapped up in this mess – your superhero origin story if you will – give us what you were involved in before and then up to the present. How ever you wanna tell it.

Kim Schwalm: Sure. Well I always knew I wanted to get into marketing but I kind of took some detours along the way and ended up working at a health insurance company pretty much right out of college and I was actually in the actuarial department because I was a math major of all things and finally got an opportunity to apply for a marketing job in a new division or newly created division of the company. That was I had always been there had been this money losing dog you know with you know being a nonprofit insurance company they had to offer insurance to everybody and even the bad risk but they brought this guy in who had a really strong direct marketing background and he saw a huge opportunity and he hired me. And you know being such a small department we know I got to wear every sort of hat you know from building a marketing database to learning how to write copy. And we ended up within three years. We turned that into the most profitable division of the company and actually split off into a for profit subsidiary. So I got exposed to a whole whole lot of direct marketing then and...

He was a delivery guy back in ’96.

Then he bought computer and within a few months had

already eclipsed his pizza income.

He’s back on the show and with a history of doing

some freelance copywriting himself…

The best of his freelance clients came from one single place.

Sit back, crank up the volume and take notes because Terry is dropping some serious knowledge.

In fact, I have heard a who’s who of successful online

entrepreneurs all say they regret not taking this step earlier.

So with the best time to get started on this having already passed

you by (i.e. yesterday)…

Now is the 2nd best time.

Terry lays it all out for ya.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* The “almost-magic” ocean Terry found his freelance copy clients swimming in. (Highly-qualified and pre-sold too!)

* Start today with the “ice cream taster” method that pulls them into your world. (They learn to know, like and trust you)li>

* THE place Terry spends his money (and his clients) to bring in new people…even before Facebook. strong>

* The 3-step template to get you started making that cash register ring with new copy clients.

* Use this awesome 5-minute method to generate new clients, products and services. Every 6 months (template provided).

Mentioned:

* Coach Terry Dean

* Terry’s “Autoresponder Alchemy”

* Ben Settle

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody. We’re back with another episode and today we have an internet marketer from way back. Somebody I first heard about through Ben Settle and Terry Dean from Florida. How are you.

Terry Dean: I am doing excellent today.

David Allan: Awesome. This is a real privilege actually because I have read a lot of stuff I’ve gone through a few of your courses. And I you know like I said – I came through it – Ben Settle was the first person I heard talking about you and I got into this stuff late as opposed to the rest of you. But. So, bring us up to speed a little bit. I know you started in like the mid 90s or something that’s going to be give us the quick superhero origin story.

Terry Dean: The quickie version as I started back in 1996 I was delivering pizzas for Little Caesars for eight bucks an hour. Heard about the Internet wasn’t a whole lot going on in 96. I heard about it. I said you know what. This is something I think I can do when I bought my first PC ever taught myself to use it. Got online experiment with things like CompuServe and basically within the first few months I got to earning a full time living online which of course I was delivering pizzas for a living so when I say a full time income I don’t think I was earning a doctor the level income I was beating the pizza delivery income in a few months and have discovered one of my biggest secrets was about six months and I discovered just how closely related my income was to my e mail list as my e-mail list grew so did my income they went side by side. So we’re now talking 21 years ago and ever since that day my e-mail list has continued to be the driver of the majority of my profits. Since then I’ve helped thousands of clients and I’ve actually worked with hundreds of people directly one on one in all different types of markets.

The Doberman is back.

Once upon a time he lived with Gary Halbert…

In Costa Rica.

Aside from working alongside a master, Dan cut

his teeth writing for himself.

His own supplement businesses.

So in 2012, when he went freelance…

He made some rookie mistakes.

He had to hustle up copy gigs because he no longer had an income

after selling his business.

It was a grind, but he’s a quick study.

In his second appearnace on the podcast, Dan reveals a

system that saved his freelance bacon.

A secret system that has provided him with a steady stream of

high-quality clients…

So he can pick and choose his copy projects.

A system he learned from Gary Halbert.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* The “Barberton Parking Lot” method Dan used to get Gary Halbert’s attention. (Gary’s own methods used on the master – to great success!)

* The honest, “no bull-crap” mistake Dan made – and newbies make all the time – when he finally went freelance.

* The one mistake even professional copywriters make. (Dan has seen people spend 30 years in this phase!)

* How to protect yourself against your own neediness. (Hustling to get this first step taken care of will work wonders).

* The Gary Halbert secret to cure neediness by finding a steady stream of leads. (Dan doesn’t look for clients anywhere else now).

Mentioned:

* Doberman Dan

* Dan’s “Off The Chain” Podcast

* The Gary Halbert Letter

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody it’s David Allan. Back with another exciting podcast. Today’s guest is someone I’ve been looking forward to talking to for a long time since I first heard about him and read some of his stuff and his name is Doberman Dan. Welcome to the show.

Doberman Dan : Thanks David. Appreciate the invite. Been looking forward to this.

David Allan: Yeah it’s really great to have you. I first heard about you from Ben Settle if my memory serves me. He turned me on to you. I got into this stuff through Gary Halbert, but I don’t think that’s where I heard of. I think it was Ben because I wasn’t up to date on all the Gary Halbert stuff at that point. I read some of your stuff. Your rookie copywriters survival guide a couple years ago that I got off Amazon and you’re just one of those classic and somewhat legendary direct response guys still floating around. How did you get into all this mess of direct response advertising Dan.

Doberman Dan : Yes, a legend in my own mind. Well, I didn’t want to get in to all this stuff to be totally transparent with you what I wanted was I wanted a mail order business. So I had a job that I was not crazy about. That’s quite an understatement actually. And I just you know nine years prior while I still had this job I was trying all these different kinds of businesses and failing and all of them. But I discovered I discovered direct response marketing through Dan Kennedy through a product I bought from him. And I thought this is cool man selling like paper and ink cassettes that cassettes just saying that, that alone, just totally dates me. And I thought this is a cool business man he’s sending letters in the mail like do ads and in magazines an...

Mr. Marketology has risen through the ranks by proving his know-how to his superiors…

Both in the military and the corporate world.

He tackles several issues in this episode and with a little

elbow grease you can fix them today.

Whether it’s showing you the roadblocks preventing website conversions…

What angle to take on the vast expanse of social media…

Or how to get in front of the parade your customers are already

dancing in.

Jeff has some real-world answers.

Is your marketing automated?

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* Using automation in your digital marketing. The strategy of “triggered” response.

* The “un-sexy” way you must tackle your website. (it’s a grind but it works magic!)

* The one critical element almost every business owner forgets. (Fix your thinking fast or all you’ll hear is crickets).

* The missing links between your website and your social media. Discover the quick ins and outs.

* The quickest way to quench your customers thirst. (Like giving water to a dying man in the desert).

Mentioned:

* Jeff Beale

* Heat Maps

* Jeff Beale on Twitter

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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[00:00:00] Everybody it’s David and I’m back with another edition of the podcast. Today we have a gentleman all the way from Atlanta Georgia. Mr. Marketology. Jeff Beale. What is up.

[00:00:13] Hey Dave how are you doing. I am doing fantastic. What about you sir.

[00:00:17] Oh wonderful you know the Falcons about to win the Super Bowl so I can find out like we talked about off air.

[00:00:25] My sister does live in Atlanta she actually lives in Milton and she’s not the biggest football fan. And her husband is sort of you know watching on occasion. But yeah they were super pumped about the Falcons being in the Super Bowl and I have to say I will play for the Falcons because I despise the Patriots so hopefully it is a turnoff to many people but it’s going to be a great day. I’ll just I just hope it’s most of all I want to see it be a close game.

[00:00:50] I hope so.

[00:00:51] Yeah I think it was a out they too many of you will be upset because we all hate the Patriots so they better check those balls ahead of time make sure they are there.

[00:01:01] All right so let’s let’s try to dive into this because you’re into marketing you’re into email marketing of course which we like to talk about a lot on the show. Let’s jump back now to how you sort of got into this whole marketing and e-mail marketing world how you got sucked into the vortex. If me start back you know when you maybe had more normal jobs how you sort of quickly you know got got to where you are now Joy is a beautiful transition.

[00:01:27] So when I started I started in military after getting out the military I worked in the government for the military. And so I was in charge of webdesign. And for a symposium that they had. And as I transitioned from webdesign I said well you know I really it’s funny I got that job because I told them that their Web sites suck and they said well you can do better you should do better.

[00:01:51] And so that’s how I got into web design.

[00:01:54] And then from there moved into book Great started nosing that Web site weren’t getting ...

His boss laughed at him when he quit his high-stress broker job in 2000 to “make websites”.

After finding gurus like Mark Joyner and Corey Rfacebooudl, he stumbled down the “internet marketing” rabbit hole.

“There’s got to be a way to make money with this”

A question that changed the rest of his life.

His own internet dating and a later product led to an avalanche sent to him by none other than “David D’Angelo”.

$39,000 on the first day…$100,000 for the month.

He was on his way…

Or so he thought.

Then cancer struck his family…not once but twice.

He neared bankruptcy.

Years passed.

He knew he had the potential to do more and so for the last 19 months, he has fought with a vengeance.

After an entrepreneur worth over a half billion confirmed that his latest idea was worth a shot…

He poured his heart and soul ( and a pile of money) into building the email software he knew the industry needed.

It’s just days away…

In this episode, you’ll discover:

* The presentation he saw that first gave him the idea. (What this company was doing with it’s VA’s was nuts!)

* What to do when a 500 million dollar man gives you advice.

* How to avoid the horrible mistake most software creators make with developers. (This can cost you years and tons of money).

* How this software will explode ancient email wives-tales.

* What this software does is amazing. (How this will punch ROI through the friggin’ roof!)

Mentioned:

* Autoresponder Analytics

* Com Mirza

* David Allan’s Make Words Pay

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David Allan: Hey, everybody it’s David Allan. I’m back with another edition of the email marketing podcast.

Our special guest today I think you’re really going to enjoy because he’s bringing something new to the marketing game. That I think has never been done before and will be a real game-changer. Dave Miz, welcome to the show.

Dave Miz: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

David Allan: I am excited about this because I know a little bit about what you’re up to but I will get up with the details because I think when this podcast comes out it’s nearly exactly coinciding with when you’re going to release what amounts to a new software product. Is that correct?

Dave Miz: Yeah. Yeah. Something totally new.

David Allan: So I’m very excited. Let’s dig into this.

Dave Miz: I was at a seminar and a couple of years back from Greg Davis who’s like a big CPA traffic media buyer. He was in D.C. one of the guys that spoke at his seminar was this guy who was like 500 million dollars self-made. Guy’s name is called Com Mirza. I don’t know all this.

So I was out in the hallway. We were shooting the breeze me him and a buddy of mine my buddy ends up joining his mastermind. He’s doing really well and much better than I was doing and you know he could afford it. So. So he ends up going and we ended up all becoming friends. About a year after you know we have we had traveled all together all of us and stuff and just built a good friendship and we’re at a mastermind Com was ...