This week on The Next Aid Station, we break down the matchups trail running has been waiting for: Courtney DeWalter vs. Katie Schide and Caleb Olson vs. Tom Evans. With Hardrock and Western States fields taking shape, the stage is set for some of the most competitive racing the sport has ever seen.

We also get into the upcoming lotteries, Utah’s new 200-miler, Christian Allen’s breakout road performance, the TRE scheduling fiasco, and the latest trail running film debates. From bold hot takes to real analysis, this episode dives into every corner of the sport — the drama, the rivalries, and the races that will define 2025.

In this episode:

• Courtney vs Katie: early Hardrock predictions

• Caleb vs Tom: Western States showdown potential

• Why Western is suddenly stacked again

• Christian Allen’s 2:09 marathon and mountain crossover

• Utah announces a 200-mile race

• Mike McKnight gets into Hardrock

• Chuckanut 50K planning

• Trail running film of the year debates

• College football chaos (and how we’d fix it)

• Scott’s Hurt 100 training updates

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This week on The Next Aid Station, Jake & MIck break down one of the most stacked episodes of the season — from Michael Greer’s 96-hour, 100,000 ft fundraiser, to the wildest NBA All-Star format yet, to a full Siskel & Ebert-style review of every major trail running documentary of 2024.

Plus: the spiciest trail drama of the year, our picks for JFK 50, and why Western States / Hardrock lottery week is about to get VERY interesting.

In this episode:• Michael Greer finishes 225 miles with 100K ft climbing• Community fundraiser for Aaron Jensen & Kelly West• NBA All-Star chaos: USA vs USA vs World• The “Black vs White All-Star Game” bit goes completely off-rails• Guinness World Record: 1,516 threes in one hour?!• Abby Hall + Kilian Jornet confirm return to Western States 2026• FULL Trail Running Film of the Year breakdown• The Finisher, The Chase, King of Moab, Nothing to Lose & more• Major trail drama of the year (McAleenan, USATF, Zach Miller, Arizona Monster)• JFK 50 predictions• Western States & Hardrock lottery hype• Plans for Austin, TRE, Tesla tour, and a quick show break

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This week on The Next Aid Station, Jake & Mick dive into the strangest mix of trail running news, viral moments, and hot takes you didn’t know you needed. From Trump pardoning a trail runner to HOA rage and NBA rants, it’s equal parts ridiculous and insightful — exactly what you expect when the coffee hits before recording.

In this episode:

00:00 – Kicking off with chaos (and a quick Google search)01:00 – Jake’s “Glizzy Halloween” goes viral04:00 – NBA rant: Zion, Ja, and wasted potential09:30 – Trump pardons a trail runner?!13:50 – The 99% conviction rate rant21:20 – HOA guy named Bart gets roasted24:00 – Mask wars at 30,000 feet31:10 – Western States & Hardrock lottery talk37:40 – Barkley Marathon secrets40:10 – Cross-country shoutout in Spokane42:20 – Caleb Olson’s GT100 win47:00 – Stage races: fun or gimmick?49:30 – Who’s the real UROY?53:50 – Movie critics, Siskel & Ebert roast57:20 – Tunnel Hill records & Camille Herron debate1:04:20 – Jake vs. Scott: alternate course race idea1:07:20 – YouTube comments & Rachel vs. Tara1:20:20 – Camille’s “Men’s Meat x Women’s Race” collab1:23:20 – Sponsors, growth, and what’s next

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She’s redefining what it means to be an ultrarunner.

Rachel Entrekin — physical therapist, 200-mile champion, and one of the fastest-rising names in trail running — joins The Next Aid Station for a raw, unfiltered deep dive into the evolution of the sport, the power of storytelling, and what it really takes to win at the edge of human endurance.From racing at Mammoth and Cocodona to debating UTMB’s dominance, Rachel opens up about everything: the politics of sponsorship, how livestreams are reshaping ultrarunning, and what it feels like to be called the “Queen of 200s.”

Whether you’re a diehard fan or training for your first ultra, this is one of the most honest conversations you’ll hear about the sport’s future.

Timestamps:

⸻00:00 – Intro: The Men’s Meet x Women’s Race Collab01:00 – Meet Rachel Entrekin: The 200-Mile Queen Arrives03:00 – Running 19 Miles at 7:30 Pace (and Loving It?)05:00 – Beer, Basketball & Blue Moon Confessions07:00 – Rachel on Caitlin Clark & Why Competition Fuels Her08:30 – Can Rachel Beat Courtney Dauwalter? Let’s Talk About It10:30 – DNFs, Redemption & The Drive to Race Again12:00 – Who Gets to Decide What Races Matter?14:00 – Runners vs. Brands: Taking Back the Power16:00 – Why Live Streams Are Changing the Sport18:00 – Making Ultrarunning More Professional — Without Losing Its Soul20:00 – UTMB Is Coming to Utah: What It Means for Local Races23:00 – Are 200-Milers the Future of the Sport?25:00 – How Rachel & Jamil Are Changing Ultrarunning Forever27:00 – The Marketing Power of 200-Milers (and Why Brands Don’t Get It)30:00 – Why Visibility Matters More Than Winning33:00 – Do Prize Purses Even Matter? (Spoiler: No)35:00 – Being Labeled the “200-Mile Specialist” — and Fighting That Box37:00 – Rachel’s Big Goals: Hardrock, UTMB & Beyond40:00 – The Problem With How Athletes Are Paid43:00 – Storytelling Over Podiums: The Real Value of an Athlete46:00 – Branding, Sponsorships & What Runners Get Wrong Online48:00 – How Rachel Nearly Caught Jimmy Elam at Mammoth50:00 – Learning to “Make Moves” — Racing Smarter, Not Harder53:00 – Race Plans, Hardrock Dreams & UTMB Hopes57:00 – How Rachel Plans to Prove She Belongs Among the Best59:00 – Rachel on Inspiring Young Runners (and Her Favorite Fan Moment)01:01:00 – Why Accessibility Matters: Making Elites Relatable01:03:00 – Javelina Predictions: Who She’s Betting On01:06:00 – Rachel’s Next Chapter: From Racing to Commentating01:08:00 – Closing Thoughts: The Future of Ultra Running with Rachel Entrekin

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It finally happened — Mick toed the line at Javelina Jundred and brought home his first 100-mile belt buckle. But it didn’t come easy. From a brutal first lap in a black T-shirt and handheld bottle, to puking in the desert and pounding ginger ale to survive, this is a full breakdown of what happens when your body and mind hit the wall.

Jake and Mick dive into every lap of the legendary Javelina 100, unpacking the chaos, the lessons, and the moments that made this one unforgettable. From race-day mistakes and heat-management disasters to the ginger-ale miracle that turned it all around, this episode captures the full rollercoaster of running 100 miles in the Arizona desert.

They also cover what’s next: the off-season training block, body-composition surprises, HYROX hot takes, and the long road to Cocodona 250.

Whether you’re training for your first ultra or just love hearing what it really takes to earn a buckle, this one’s packed with grit, humor, and honesty.

What You’ll Hear In This Episode:

• The full Javelina 100-mile recap — heat, blisters, and redemption

• The fueling breakdown (why ginger ale beats water)

• Lessons learned from the crew tent and aid-station chaos

• How to fix mid-race nausea when your stomach shuts down

• Real talk on pacing, mindset, and post-race recovery

• Community moments, haters, and the rise of The Next Aid Station

• Winter training goals: F45, strength, and staying sharp for Cocodona

• Reflections on Camille’s episode, kindness, and online culture

• Behind-the-scenes: the one-bed hotel story and merch mayhem

About The Show

The Next Aid Station is the ultrarunning podcast that goes beyond splits and shoe talk — hosted by Jake Kilgore and Mick Garrison, it’s where race stories meet real life. Each week, we dive deep into the highs, lows, and absurd moments that make the endurance world what it is.

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She’s a world record holder, a whistleblower, and the queen of Javelina Jundred.

In this raw and hilarious conversation, Camille Herron opens up about her world records, the truth behind the USATF controversy, and how she’s using her voice to advocate for inclusion in ultrarunning.

From tacos and super shoes to lawsuits and laughter, this is one of the most unfiltered episodes yet.

Recorded in Scottsdale before Javelina Jundred, Jake, Mick, and Scott sit down with ultrarunning icon Camille Herron — the woman who’s redefined endurance running. Camille breaks down how she’s still setting records in her 40s, her neurodivergent journey with autism and ADHD, and the real story behind her recent media controversies. Plus, she talks Taco Bell, training, fairness in sport, and why she can absolutely laugh at the “Steely Toughness” memes.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome Back to The Next Aid Station

00:18 – Introducing the Queen of Javelina: Camille Herron

01:04 – Driving Chaos: Camille’s Journey to Scottsdale

01:26 – Setting World Records: The Spark that Drives Her

02:10 – From 50 Miles to 6 Days: Camille’s Record-Breaking Range

03:15 – Super Shoes & Longevity in Running

04:00 – Trails vs Roads: Why Camille Loves to Go Fast

04:50 – “What’s a Javelina?” — Camille’s Wild Desert Encounters

06:00 – Running with 1,500 People: The Javelina Party Vibe

07:00 – Taco Bell, Tacos, and World Records

08:00 – Taco Bell Sends Camille a $10 Gift Card (and a Lifetime of Laughs)

09:00 – Homemade Tacos & the Men’s Meat Shirt Connection

09:45 – Would Camille Pace a Lap at Javelina?

10:10 – Running 300 Miles and Carrying Your Own… What?!

10:57 – When Nature Calls: Camille’s Funniest Marathon Stories

11:19 – The Super Shoe Revolution Explained

13:10 – Running Boston After the Bombing: A Powerful Moment

14:00 – Rules, Fairness & Integrity: Camille’s View on Governing Bodies

16:20 – Inside the Record Controversy: When a Course Isn’t “Certified Enough”

18:00 – Calibration, Clocks, and Controversy — How Tiny Errors Cost Big

20:00 – The Hidden Bureaucracy Behind Every World Record

22:00 – “World Best” vs. “World Record” — What’s the Difference?

23:20 – How Camille Changed the Rules for Drug Testing in Ultras

24:10 – How Many World Records Does Camille Actually Hold?

25:15 – Who Could Break Her Javelina Record?

26:00 – How She Could Shave Minutes Off Her 14:03 Course Record

27:15 – The Women Who Might Be Next: Predictions for Javelina 2024

29:00 – Cheering While Racing — Why Camille Loses Her Voice

30:20 – Neurodivergence, Autism & ADHD in the Ultra World

33:00 – Breaking Down the USA Track & Field Controversy

35:00 – The Fight for Accommodations & Inclusion in Athletics

38:00 – Communication Breakdown: How It All Went Wrong with USATF

42:00 – Following Legal Advice & Protecting Herself from Misrepresentation

45:00 – What She Would (and Wouldn’t) Do Differently

47:10 – Why Inclusivity in Running Still Has a Long Way to Go

52:00 – Trail vs Road Running: Finding Calm in Chaos

55:00 – How Her Autism Diagnosis Changed Everything

57:00 – The Greatest Female Ultrarunners of All Time

59:00 – Is Camille in the Top 3? (Spoiler: Yes.)

1:01:00 – Who Inspires Camille: Ruth Croft, Courtney, Katie & More

1:03:00 – Wikipedia, Whistleblowing, and the Truth Behind the “Steely Toughness” Story

1:06:00 – Why Camille Reported Rule Violations in Ultra Running

1:07:00 – Justice Sensitivity & Integrity in Sport

1:08:00 – The Wikipedia “Scandal”: Her Side of the Story

1:10:00 – Where “Steely Toughness” Really Came From

1:13:00 – The Real Story Behind the Edits & The Lawsuit

1:16:00 – Clearing the Air: “It Was Never Me — It Was My Husband”

1:17:00 – Halloween Costumes, Humor & Good Vibes

1:20:00 – The Story Behind “Men’s Meat” and Internet Outrage

1:23:00 – Camille’s Reaction to the Men’s Meat Shirt (She Loves It)

1:24:00 – Laughing It Off: Camille’s Humor Shines

1:25:00 – Closing Thoughts with The Queen of Javelina

Recorded in Scottsdale, AZ just before Javelina Jundred, Jake and Mick sit down with Killian to talk about life after conquering Moab, Bigfoot, and Tahoe — and how he’s handling his sudden rise in the ultrarunning world. They dive deep into fueling, mindset, social media growth, and what it takes to stay disciplined when running 200+ miles at a time. Plus, the guys share some hilarious off-trail stories (including the legendary “One Guy, Four Dogs” moment)

Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome to Scottsdale! Jake, Mick & Killian Kick Things Off

00:45 – “It’s Burning Man for Runners” — The Wild Vibe at Javelina Jundred

02:05 – Pre-Race Nerves, Aid Stations, and the Halloween Party Atmosphere

03:40 – Killian’s Race Goals & Coaching Athletes

04:45 – Fueling for 200-Milers: How Many Carbs Is Enough?

06:25 – Fireball Shots, Kombucha, and Pumpkin Spice: The Crew Debates Nutrition

08:10 – The “Injury” That’s Not an Injury: Killian’s Knee Tape Ritual

09:20 – From Unknown to Trail Superstar — How Moab Changed Everything

10:30 – How Killian Went Viral After Moab 240 (and What He Did Right)

12:00 – Fame, Privacy & Sponsorships — Handling the Spotlight After Moab

13:10 – Ultra Running Business Talk: Agents, Contracts, and Shoe Deals

15:00 – Should 200-Milers Count for Ultrarunner of the Year? The Debate

18:00 – What 200 Miles Really Feels Like (and Why It’s Worth It)

20:30 – Blisters, Hallucinations & Pain at Mile 200 — Moab 240 Stories

22:10 – Running With Gratitude: Why It’s All Worth It

23:00 – Motivation vs. Discipline: What Drives Elite Ultrarunners

24:20 – Avoiding Burnout & Building the Perfect Training Routine

26:10 – “It’s Just a 50” — Why Every Distance Deserves Respect

27:45 – Life After the Triple Crown: Balance, Rest & French Fries

29:00 – The Infamous “Four Guys, Four Dogs” Story (Hilarious)

33:00 – Keeping It Classy… Kinda — Laughter & Chaos in the Studio

36:30 – Coca-Dona Predictions: Who Can Beat Killian?

38:40 – Why Rachel’s One of the Best in the World (and Nobody’s Talking About It)

40:50 – What’s Next: Killian’s 2025 Goals & The Colorado Trail Dream

42:05 – San Juan Mountains Training Plans & Wrap-Up

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🎙 It’s Belt Buckle Week! Jake and Mick are fired up for the javelina 100, breaking down race strategy, fantasy picks, and the wildest ultrarunning news of the week. From UTMB coming to Utah to Camille Herron’s legal showdown, this episode is packed with controversy, comedy, and insider insight into the trail running world.

🔥 Highlights:

• UTMB rumored to launch a 100-miler in Utah

• The Moab 240 drama with Brody Chisholm & Candice Burt

• Camille Herron’s autism & USATF controversy

• Manuela's 200-mile record that no one’s talking about

• Fantasy Free Trail picks for Havalina 100 (Golden Ticket predictions!)

• Mick’s pre-race prep & Jake’s live YouTube stream plans🎯

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This episode has everything — elite racing, wild controversy, and one of the rawest interviews we’ve ever done.Trail-runner Kilian Korth joins us fresh off his Moab 240 victory to unpack his Triple Crown sweep, insane weather, and how he handled 28 miles of mud on destroyed feet.

Jake Kilgore relives his Kodiak 100 age category win that locked a direct UTMB entry, and the guys tackle the internet drama over their now-infamous “Here for the Men’s Meet” shirt.If you love trail running, dark humor, and real conversations about racing, community, and mindset — this is your episode.

Timestamps:00:00 – The “Here for the Men’s Meet” ControversyJake & Mick open with the viral shirt backlash — humor, misunderstanding, and how sarcasm dies on Instagram.03:20 – Welcome Back to The Next Aid StationThe hosts kick off another Tuesday episode and dive straight into recovery talk and sore-quads confessions.07:00 – The Moab 240 & Triple Crown BreakdownSetting the stage: Kilian Korth’s win, the brutal conditions, and what makes Moab different from every other 200-miler.08:10 – LIVE Call with Kilian KorthFresh off his Moab 240 victory, Kilian joins the show to unpack mud, misery, and mindset in his hardest race ever.14:00 – The Brody Leven ControversyWas he pulled too early? Kilian reacts to the drama at mile 54 and gives his take on race-director decisions.17:00 – Racing Through the Mud & Mental BattlesKilian’s raw account of the rain, exhaustion, and the mental fight that defined his Triple Crown sweep.20:00 – Aid-Station Strategy & Sleep ScienceHow Kilian managed foot pain, minimal rest, and elite-level efficiency — plus why a good crew can change everything.22:00 – What’s Next for Kilian KorthWhy he’s taking an off-season and processing the spotlight after the biggest win of his career.24:00 – Post-Interview ReactionsJake, Mick & Scott debrief the conversation, reveal behind-the-scenes footage, and tease Kilian’s documentary.30:00 – Trail Running News Round-UpCourtney Dauwalter’s road-marathon debut, Truett’s 2:25 at St. George, Connor Mantz’s new American record — full breakdown.38:00 – The “Here for the Men’s Meet” BacklashWhy some people lost their minds over a joke tee, the meaning behind it, and how the guys plan to win skeptics over.47:00 – Kodiak 100 Recap 🏔️Jake’s full race story: training, strategy, near-perfect execution, and taking the 45-49 age-group crown (again).1:03:00 – Critical Gear Decisions That Won the RacePoles or no poles? Bladder or flasks? The tiny choices that made hours of difference.1:33:00 – Post-Race Reflection & UTMB Direct EntryEarning a UTMB spot, what it really means, and the plan heading into 2026.1:45:00 – Off-Season, Goals & Closing BanterJake on recovery mode, Mick’s Javelina prep, and the team’s next adventures.

🏆 “He ran through a storm — and came out a champion.”When freezing rain, 40 mph wind, and mud hit DC Peaks 50, Eli White didn’t just survive — he thrived. The Salt Lake Running Company athlete takes us behind the scenes of his shocking 2025 victory, sharing how he trained, fueled, and battled for the win on one of the toughest ultramarathon days ever.In this episode of The Next Aid Station, hosts Jake Kilgore and Mick “Lucky Pierre” dive deep into Eli’s mindset, gear choices, and wildest race moments — including how a mid-race fall, caffeine boost, and strategic moves sealed his win.Whether you’re training for your first ultra or chasing a 100-mile PR, this episode is a masterclass in racing smart under pressure.Timestamps:00:00 – Welcome & Winner IntroductionEli White joins the pod fresh off his DC Peaks 50 victory — and “People’s Choice” favorite.01:00 – Betting on the Podium: Who Called It Right?The hosts break down their pre-race picks and how the stormy day reshaped the results.02:30 – Eli’s Journey: From Biology Professor to Running ProHow Eli went from teaching science to managing Salt Lake Running Company — and why it changed his life.04:45 – Why He Signed Up Last Minute for DC Peaks 50What pushed Eli to finally register just two weeks before race day.06:15 – Race Day Chaos: The Storm, the Course, and Staying AliveHow he planned his splits in the middle of unpredictable weather.08:00 – The Turning Point: When Eli Took the LeadA deep dive into his mid-race battle with Matt — and how a caffeine gel and rain jacket swap changed everything.12:20 – The Chase: Passing Matt and Building the GapEli explains exactly where and how he made his move through North Canyon’s smooth trails.15:10 – The Muddy Showdown at SummerwoodThe out-and-back moment that sealed the win — and what it’s like seeing your competition mid-race.18:00 – The Wild Finish Line CelebrationInside Eli’s “home run” finish and what made this stormy race so unforgettable.19:10 – Race Weekend Decisions: Saturday or Sunday?Eli breaks down how runners voted and why he preferred running through the rain.21:30 – Battling the Weather: Wind, Rain, and Survival ModeRunning through freezing wind, soaked trails, and mental toughness at its peak.25:00 – Shoe Talk: What Carried Him to VictoryThe surprising shoe choice that helped him win — and a mini gear chat with Jake & Mick.29:00 – Inside the Salt Lake “JV Team”Meet the crew behind Utah’s rising trail runners — and the inside jokes that power them.30:00 – Bear 100: Redemption Story in the MakingEli’s unfinished business at Bear 100 and how he plans to come back stronger.33:00 – Taper Tips & Pre-Race MindsetEli’s philosophy on tapering, training, and keeping your legs fresh.39:00 – Future Goals & Marathon SpeedFrom a 2:31 marathon to mountain ultras — what’s next for Eli White.41:00 – Closing Thoughts: Lessons from the StormThe mindset, preparation, and grit behind one of the gnarliest DC Peaks finishes ever.