UTMB is the biggest trail race in the world, but why did it happen in France? The easy answer is Mont Blanc. The better answer has more to do with culture, timing, and the kind of endurance tradition that was already there long before UTMB existed.

Josh talks with Doug Mayer, founder of Run the Alps and author of The Race That Changed Running, about the deeper conditions that made UTMB possible, from old mountain races and ski mountaineering to the Pellettis’ execution and the way places like Vallorcine turned the race into something people gather around, not just run.

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1. Run the Alps
2. Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races
3. Josh Rosenthal on IG
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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Borderlands explores trail running through culture, media, and the forces shaping it.

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Ultra running rewards obsession, but Tara Dower seems wired for something beyond results. She wants to solve hard problems, chase the best competition, run faster, and keep finding out what she’s capable of.

Tara joins me to talk Western States, her planned Pacific Coast Trail attempt, why she hasn’t raced UTMB, learning from Karl Meltzer, and her evolution with Altra from the Lone Peak to the new Vanish Carbon 3. Underneath it all is a bigger question: as Tara becomes one of the defining athletes of modern ultra running, what parts of herself does she want to keep?

For ultra runners interested in the people shaping where the sport goes next.

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This episode is in partnership with Altra for the release of its new super road shoe the Vanish Carbon 3 - a light, responsive, and efficient race day shoe made for PRs.

• 00:00 Introduction
• 02:54 Tara Dower Has Always Been Stubborn
• 07:07 The Problem Solving Mind of Tara Dower
• 09:06 Results vs. A Life of Interesting Running
• 13:38 Why Tara Dower Hasn't Raced UTMB
• 17:54 The Problem with Pro Trail Running
• 20:07 Why Ultrarunners Want to Run Fast | Altra Vanish Carbon 3
• 30:31 What Speedgoat Taught Tara
• 36:40 What Tara Dower Wants Her Legacy to Be

1. Altra Vanish Carbon 3
2. Tara Dower Lives Between Two Worlds by Bryce Carlson
3. Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races
4. Borderlands.cc
5. Thumbnail Photo by Pete Schreiner

1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Borderlands explores trail running through culture, media, and the forces shaping it.

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Trail running has exploded into a global business, and Karl Meltzer somehow ended up at the center of it. HOKA turned his Speedgoat nickname into one of trail running’s defining shoes, Red Bull paid him to chase the Appalachian Trail record, and UTMB eventually bought the race he created.

Karl came up when ultrarunning was tiny and has watched the money, brands, athletes, and races transform around him. Josh and Karl talk about the strange experience of becoming valuable to an industry that barely existed when he started, selling Speedgoat to UTMB, his relationship with HOKA, and what someone who has lived through the entire boom thinks about where trail running goes from here.

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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Ultrarunning eventually becomes a mental problem. The body hurts, the race stops going to plan, and the question becomes what the best ultrarunners understand about continuing when quitting makes sense.

Harvey Lewis has spent 30 years figuring that out. In part two of our conversation in Ohio, we get into the mental strategies behind Backyard Ultra, why different races require different mindsets, the failures that changed how Harvey competes, and what decades of Badwater, journey runs, and 200-milers have taught him about going farther than he thought possible.

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• 00:00 Harvey Lewis Intro
• 01:15 The Mental Game of Ultrarunning
• 10:47 Learning How Not to Quit
• 14:06 Different Mindsets for Different Races
• 16:55 Pilgrimages and Journey Runs
• 23:31 What Failure Taught Harvey Lewis
• 30:33 What the Best Ultrarunners Understand

2. Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races
3. Borderlands.cc
4. High Tones

1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Harvey Lewis is one of ultrarunning’s most accomplished endurance athletes, but the more interesting question might be how a high school civics teacher from Ohio became capable of doing any of this. Badwater, Backyard Ultras, Barkley, 250-mile runs. Harvey has built an extraordinary career without making running his entire life.

I spent a morning with Harvey at his home in Ohio, days before his 16th consecutive Badwater, trying to understand what makes Harvey Harvey. We talk about the dreamer and engineer he inherited from his parents, the teachers who changed his life, how running and teaching grew together, and why the hardest races have become something closer to pilgrimages.

The conversation ends somewhere more personal, with Harvey remembering the person he still imagines waiting for him when things get hard.

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• 2:17 Harvey Lewis' Origins
• 6:33 Harvey Lewis' Parents: The Dreamer and the Engineer
• 18:39 Running and Teaching
• 30:59 Running as Pilgrimage

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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Borderlands explores trail running through culture, media, and the forces shaping it.

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Ciele helped change what running looked like, but the more interesting story is what sat underneath the aesthetic. This episode is for runners curious about how a hat brand became part of running culture without losing the product discipline that made it credible in the first place.

What began as a film about Ciele turned into a deeper look at the rise of running as lifestyle, the influence of skate and snow culture, and the unreleased Miles hat that existed before Ciele had its name. Along the way, a portrait emerges of a brand whose visual identity was copied everywhere, while the craft, function, and ethos behind it were much harder to replicate.

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4. La French Trail
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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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The Satisfy x Adidas collaboration became one of the loudest moments in running, but almost none of the conversation was about the shoe. It became a fight over price, fashion, authenticity, and what running culture is supposed to protect.

Josh and Inky Steve look at what the collaboration actually did, why Adidas seemed to gain all the upside while Satisfy absorbed the backlash, and what the circle pit revealed about how tribal running has become.

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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Borderlands explores trail running through culture, media, and the forces shaping it.

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Trail running in the Midwest looks different. No mountain towns. No towering peaks. Just a different kind of commitment. On the drive to Harvey Lewis's house, Josh and Sam Hartman explore what it means to build a trail running culture in flat country, and why some of the sport's deepest communities exist far from the places most runners imagine.

Sam Hartman, founder of TINAR Races in Columbus, Ohio, argues that community matters more than scenery, why Midwest trail runners develop a different relationship with the sport, and how trail running becomes part of your identity when getting to the trails takes intention. It's a conversation about place, belonging, and a side of trail running that deserves far more attention.

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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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Hardrock 100 gave aging trail runners something many of us didn't realize we needed: hope. Ludovic Pommeret broke the course record at 50. Courtney Dauwalter won again and still walked away chasing something more. If you've ever wondered whether your best running is behind you, this conversation is for that part of you.

Josh reads Bryce Carlson's essay Hardrock 100 in real time, stopping throughout to explore why Hardrock rewards wisdom as much as fitness, why experience compounds in endurance sports, and why the stories we tell ourselves about getting older might be our biggest limitation.

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• 00:00 The Unexpected Gifts of Hard Rock
• 02:29 The Significance of Ludovic Pommeret's Wisdom as Performance
• 06:21 Stripping Away Excuses and Embracing Aging in Running
• 08:20 Ludovic Pomerret’s Record at 50
• 09:39 Courtney Dauwalter’s Continued Excellence
• 15:00 The Field Size and Competition Dynamics
• 17:48 Remarkable Feats: Tara Dower’s Double
• 22:37 Age as an Accumulation of Wisdom

1. Bryce's article
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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running

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HOKA has become one of the few running brands to cross into culture without losing credibility with runners. If you're building a brand, launching new products, or wondering how companies grow without abandoning what made them special, this conversation is for you.

Thomas Cykana and Travis Wiseman pull back the curtain on HOKA's collaboration strategy, why they refuse to make "toy shoes," and how fashion found HOKA before HOKA ever chased fashion. It's a conversation about culture, product, trust, and the surprisingly human decisions behind one of running's fastest-growing brands.

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1. Ultra Running isn't Just Running
2. John Ruben, founder of Unna

Presented by Kiprun.

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Borderlands explores trail running through culture, media, and the forces shaping it.

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