In this episode, we explore the relationship between the true self and the not-self, and how these two experiences of self interact in daily life. Rather than treating the not-self as something to eradicate, we examine how it operates through identification, attention, and the stories we tell about ourselves, and what happens when we stop feeding those narratives.

Throughout the conversation, we reflect on the problems that arise when others point out our not-self tendencies, how recognizing the natural life force is more empowering than vigilance against what's wrong, and why deconditioning is less about catching ourselves and more about disidentifying with the story of brokenness. We close with a look at our upcoming monthly workshop series, beginning June 19th, going center by center to examine our lived relationship with each area of the BodyGraph. We hope you enjoy the conversation.

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