In this conversation, Sarah and Jayne Mattingly discuss the concept of body grief, exploring Jayne's personal journey through chronic illness and disability. They delve into the emotional complexities of grieving changes in one's body, the societal pressures surrounding body image, and the importance of recognizing and processing body grief as a form of healing. The discussion also touches on the cultural lack of grief literacy, the impact of menopause and fertility loss, and the seven phases of body grief that Jayne outlines in her new book.

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