Description: 
Doug McKelvey is the author of “Every Moment Holy” a bestselling series of prayer books, and his newest volume, “Rites of Passage”, is written for the leap into adulthood. Writing it meant reliving a pattern he never once recognized in himself as a young man: getting close to someone, whether a friendship or a girlfriend, and then — almost on a dime — deciding he was done, with no explanation even to himself. But the real turn in this conversation comes when Douglas describes the year he wrote his very first prayer book; a year of financial trouble, strained friendships, and one bad break after another. The day before his manuscript was due, an editor asked him a simple question — did he think what he was going through was spiritual, a form of resistance — and something clicked into place so obviously that he burst into tears. He'd spent that entire year never once considering it. That shift in perspective has stuck with him ever since, shaping how he now thinks about the real cost paid by pastors, by missionary doctors he's met who lose a patient almost every week for lack of basic supplies, and by anyone doing work that matters. 
  
Thought-Provoking Quotes: 
"Certainly through the two and a quarter years process of writing the prayers for this book, I had to wade through cringe-inducing memories of mistakes that I made... I was not very good at loving other people, even maintaining friendships." - Doug McKelvey
  
"We are the mold. God has shaped us through our life experiences and the way he has directed and redeemed those things, so that when that season of life comes along... it takes on the shape of the way God has prepared us uniquely." - Doug McKelvey
  
"That grief... does tender the heart and creates the space to say, okay, I've made a lot of mistakes, but I can bring these — even these mistakes and these failures — now that I recognize them, to you, God." - Doug McKelvey
  
Andrew’s Prayer for Listeners
  
Our dear Lord, 
You know the plans You’ve made for each of us, 
The works You have for us to do, 
Give us courage when the world feels against us, 
and the enemy seems all around us,
and give us patience while the road is long and our efforts so often feel wasted, 
Help us remember the deepest reality:
That You are the author and perfecter of whatever faith we hold,
For You, Lord, are good and Your mercy is forever.
  
Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Every-Moment-Holy-Rites-Passage/dp/1951872304" rel="noopener noreferrer">Every Moment Holy: Rites of Passage</a> by Douglas McKelvey
<a href="https://emhsongs.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Every Moment Holy: Prayer Songs</a>
<a href="https://www.everymomentholy.com/live" rel="noopener noreferrer">Every Moment Holy: The Live Experience</a> 
<a href="https://www.anchorhymns.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Anchor Hymns</a>
<a href="https://www.rabbitroom.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Rabbit Room</a>
  
*Watch this interview on Andrew’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a>!  
*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga. 
  
Guest’s Links: 
<a href="https://www.everymomentholy.com/rites-of-passage" rel="noopener noreferrer">Doug McKelvey’s Website</a>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/everymomentholy#" rel="noopener noreferrer">Doug McKelvey’s Facebook</a>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/everymomentholy" rel="noopener noreferrer">Doug McKelvey’s Instagram</a>
  
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<a href="https://shop.bandwear.com/collections/andrew-osenga-shop" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga</a>
  
*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with <a href="https://www.iiiimedia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Four Eyes Media</a>.

Description: Doug McKelvey is the author of “Every Moment Holy” a bestselling series of prayer books, and his newest volume, “Rites of Passage”, is written for the leap into adulthood. Writing it meant reliving a pattern he never once recognized in himself as a young man: getting close to someone, whether a friendship or a girlfriend, and then — almost on a dime — deciding he was done, with no explanation even to himself. But the real turn in this conversation comes when Douglas describes the year he wrote his very first prayer book; a year of financial trouble, strained friendships, and one bad break after another. The day before his manuscript was due, an editor asked him a simple question — did he think what he was going through was spiritual, a form of resistance — and something clicked into place so obviously that he burst into tears. He'd spent that entire year never once considering it. That shift in perspective has stuck with him ever since, shaping how he now thinks about the real cost paid by pastors, by missionary doctors he's met who lose a patient almost every week for lack of basic supplies, and by anyone doing work that matters. Thought-Provoking Quotes: "Certainly through the two and a quarter years process of writing the prayers for this book, I had to wade through cringe-inducing memories of mistakes that I made... I was not very good at loving other people, even maintaining friendships." - Doug McKelvey "We are the mold. God has shaped us through our life experiences and the way he has directed and redeemed those things, so that when that season of life comes along... it takes on the shape of the way God has prepared us uniquely." - Doug McKelvey "That grief... does tender the heart and creates the space to say, okay, I've made a lot of mistakes, but I can bring these — even these mistakes and these failures — now that I recognize them, to you, God." - Doug McKelvey Andrew’s Prayer for Listeners Our dear Lord, You know the plans You’ve made for each of us, The works You have for us to do, Give us courage when the world feels against us, and the enemy seems all around us, and give us patience while the road is long and our efforts so often feel wasted, Help us remember the deepest reality: That You are the author and perfecter of whatever faith we hold, For You, Lord, are good and Your mercy is forever. Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned: Every Moment Holy: Rites of Passage by Douglas McKelvey Every Moment Holy: Prayer Songs Every Moment Holy: The Live Experience Anchor Hymns The Rabbit Room *Watch this interview on Andrew’s YouTube channel! *All episode music is by Andrew Osenga. Guest’s Links: Doug McKelvey’s Website Doug McKelvey’s Facebook Doug McKelvey’s Instagram Connect with Andrew: Website YouTube Substack Spotify Facebook Instagram How to Remember by Andrew Osenga Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga *The Pivot is produced in conjunction with Four Eyes Media.

Description:&nbsp;
Doug McKelvey is the author of “Every Moment Holy” a bestselling series of prayer books, and his newest volume, “Rites of Passage”, is written for the leap into adulthood. Writing it meant reliving a pattern he never once recognized in himself as a young man: getting close to someone, whether a friendship or a girlfriend, and then — almost on a dime — deciding he was done, with no explanation even to himself. But the real turn in this conversation comes when Douglas describes the year he wrote his very first prayer book; a year of financial trouble, strained friendships, and one bad break after another. The day before his manuscript was due, an editor asked him a simple question — did he think what he was going through was spiritual, a form of resistance — and something clicked into place so obviously that he burst into tears. He'd spent that entire year never once considering it. That shift in perspective has stuck with him ever since, shaping how he now thinks about the real cost paid by pastors, by missionary doctors he's met who lose a patient almost every week for lack of basic supplies, and by anyone doing work that matters.&nbsp;
 &nbsp;
Thought-Provoking Quotes:&nbsp;
"Certainly through the two and a quarter years process of writing the prayers for this book, I had to wade through cringe-inducing memories of mistakes that I made... I was not very good at loving other people, even maintaining friendships." - Doug McKelvey
 &nbsp;
"We are the mold. God has shaped us through our life experiences and the way he has directed and redeemed those things, so that when that season of life comes along... it takes on the shape of the way God has prepared us uniquely." - Doug McKelvey
 &nbsp;
"That grief... does tender the heart and creates the space to say, okay, I've made a lot of mistakes, but I can bring these — even these mistakes and these failures — now that I recognize them, to you, God." - Doug McKelvey
 &nbsp;
Andrew’s Prayer for Listeners
 &nbsp;
Our dear Lord,&nbsp;
You know the plans You’ve made for each of us,&nbsp;
The works You have for us to do,&nbsp;
Give us courage when the world feels against us,&nbsp;
and the enemy seems all around us,
and give us patience while the road is long and our efforts so often feel wasted,&nbsp;
Help us remember the deepest reality:
That You are the author and perfecter of whatever faith we hold,
For You, Lord, are good and Your mercy is forever.
 &nbsp;
Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Every-Moment-Holy-Rites-Passage/dp/1951872304" rel="noopener noreferrer">Every Moment Holy: Rites of Passage</a> by Douglas McKelvey
<a href="https://emhsongs.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Every Moment Holy: Prayer Songs</a>
<a href="https://www.everymomentholy.com/live" rel="noopener noreferrer">Every Moment Holy: The Live Experience</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.anchorhymns.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Anchor Hymns</a>
<a href="https://www.rabbitroom.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Rabbit Room</a>
 &nbsp;
*Watch this interview on Andrew’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a>!&nbsp;&nbsp;
*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga.&nbsp;
 &nbsp;
Guest’s Links:&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.everymomentholy.com/rites-of-passage" rel="noopener noreferrer">Doug McKelvey’s Website</a>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/everymomentholy#" rel="noopener noreferrer">Doug McKelvey’s Facebook</a>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/everymomentholy" rel="noopener noreferrer">Doug McKelvey’s Instagram</a>
 &nbsp;
Connect with Andrew:&nbsp;
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*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with <a href="https://www.iiiimedia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Four Eyes Media</a>.
 
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Doug McKelvey: What If Your Hardest Season Shaped You For the Better?

Description: 
This episode with Sally Lloyd-Jones originally aired on November 21, 2017, and it's one of Andrew's favorite conversations from the show. Sally spent years working as an editor for other people's books, certain that writing her own wasn't really an option — until, in her forties, everything changed. She and Andrew talk about the fear that kept her editing instead of writing, the moment she finally decided to find out if she could do it, and how that decision eventually led to books like The Jesus Storybook Bible, which has since sold millions of copies. 
 
Thought-Provoking Quotes:  
 “The idea was the seed. I already have the idea, and it’s up to God what the harvest is, but my job is to show up.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
 
 “We judge our stories halfway through our story... you never judge a novel halfway through a novel. It’s only in looking back that you can see the pattern.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
 
 “If you make it excellent, it will reach everyone. If you don’t make it excellent, you won’t, because that’s just how it works—excellence removes all the barriers.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
“If you trust what makes you laugh or what moves you, that’s what you have to write... you’ll be original without trying, because you’ll be you.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
“Find the thing that brings you alive, because the world needs someone who’s come alive.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
“You break through the author barrier and you get out of the way, and it becomes about the story.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
 
Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Storybook-Bible-Every-Whispers/dp/0310708257" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Jesus Storybook Bible</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thoughts-Make-Your-Heart-Sing/dp/0310721636" rel="noopener noreferrer">Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baby-Wren-Great-Sally-Lloyd-Jones/dp/0310733898" rel="noopener noreferrer">Baby Wren and the Great Gift</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Baby-Big-Sister/dp/0375873880" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to Be a Baby, by Me, the Big Sister </a>by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/His-Royal-Highness-King-Baby/dp/0763697931" rel="noopener noreferrer">His Royal Highness, King Baby: A Terrible True Story</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Handbag-Friends-Sally-Lloyd-Jones/dp/038575096X" rel="noopener noreferrer">Handbag Friends</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
*Watch this interview on Andrew’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a>!  
*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga. 
 
Guest’s Links: 
<a href="https://www.sallylloyd-jones.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ website</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0oLArw_ZIPslMNf0ugD4gg" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ YouTube</a>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/SallyLloydJones/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ Facebook</a>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sallylloydjones" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ Instagram</a>
 
Connect with Andrew: 
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*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with <a href="https://www.iiiimedia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Four Eyes Media</a>.

Description: This episode with Sally Lloyd-Jones originally aired on November 21, 2017, and it's one of Andrew's favorite conversations from the show. Sally spent years working as an editor for other people's books, certain that writing her own wasn't really an option — until, in her forties, everything changed. She and Andrew talk about the fear that kept her editing instead of writing, the moment she finally decided to find out if she could do it, and how that decision eventually led to books like The Jesus Storybook Bible, which has since sold millions of copies. Thought-Provoking Quotes: “The idea was the seed. I already have the idea, and it’s up to God what the harvest is, but my job is to show up.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones “We judge our stories halfway through our story... you never judge a novel halfway through a novel. It’s only in looking back that you can see the pattern.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones “If you make it excellent, it will reach everyone. If you don’t make it excellent, you won’t, because that’s just how it works—excellence removes all the barriers.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones “If you trust what makes you laugh or what moves you, that’s what you have to write... you’ll be original without trying, because you’ll be you.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones “Find the thing that brings you alive, because the world needs someone who’s come alive.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones “You break through the author barrier and you get out of the way, and it becomes about the story.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned: The Jesus Storybook Bible by Sally Lloyd-Jones Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing by Sally Lloyd-Jones Baby Wren and the Great Gift by Sally Lloyd-Jones How to Be a Baby, by Me, the Big Sister by Sally Lloyd-Jones His Royal Highness, King Baby: A Terrible True Story by Sally Lloyd-Jones Handbag Friends by Sally Lloyd-Jones *Watch this interview on Andrew’s YouTube channel! *All episode music is by Andrew Osenga. Guest’s Links: Sally Lloyd Jones’ website Sally Lloyd Jones’ YouTube Sally Lloyd Jones’ Facebook Sally Lloyd Jones’ Instagram Connect with Andrew: Website YouTube Substack Spotify Facebook Instagram How to Remember by Andrew Osenga Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga *The Pivot is produced in conjunction with Four Eyes Media.

Description:&nbsp;
This episode with Sally Lloyd-Jones originally aired on November 21, 2017, and it's one of Andrew's favorite conversations from the show. Sally spent years working as an editor for other people's books, certain that writing her own wasn't really an option — until, in her forties, everything changed. She and Andrew talk about the fear that kept her editing instead of writing, the moment she finally decided to find out if she could do it, and how that decision eventually led to books like The Jesus Storybook Bible, which has since sold millions of copies.&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Thought-Provoking Quotes:&nbsp; 
 “The idea was the seed. I already have the idea, and it’s up to God what the harvest is, but my job is to show up.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
 
 “We judge our stories halfway through our story... you never judge a novel halfway through a novel. It’s only in looking back that you can see the pattern.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
 
 “If you make it excellent, it will reach everyone. If you don’t make it excellent, you won’t, because that’s just how it works—excellence removes all the barriers.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
“If you trust what makes you laugh or what moves you, that’s what you have to write... you’ll be original without trying, because you’ll be you.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
“Find the thing that brings you alive, because the world needs someone who’s come alive.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
“You break through the author barrier and you get out of the way, and it becomes about the story.” - Sally Lloyd-Jones
&nbsp;
Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Storybook-Bible-Every-Whispers/dp/0310708257" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Jesus Storybook Bible</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thoughts-Make-Your-Heart-Sing/dp/0310721636" rel="noopener noreferrer">Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baby-Wren-Great-Sally-Lloyd-Jones/dp/0310733898" rel="noopener noreferrer">Baby Wren and the Great Gift</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Baby-Big-Sister/dp/0375873880" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to Be a Baby, by Me, the Big Sister </a>by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/His-Royal-Highness-King-Baby/dp/0763697931" rel="noopener noreferrer">His Royal Highness, King Baby: A Terrible True Story</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Handbag-Friends-Sally-Lloyd-Jones/dp/038575096X" rel="noopener noreferrer">Handbag Friends</a> by Sally Lloyd-Jones
*Watch this interview on Andrew’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a>!&nbsp;&nbsp;
*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga.&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Guest’s Links:&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.sallylloyd-jones.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ website</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0oLArw_ZIPslMNf0ugD4gg" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ YouTube</a>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/SallyLloydJones/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ Facebook</a>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sallylloydjones" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sally Lloyd Jones’ Instagram</a>
&nbsp;
Connect with Andrew:&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.andrewosenga.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Website</a>
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<a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Remember-Forgotten-Pathways-Authentic/dp/0802435335/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BVRHYSHGX6Q6&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cfTvUZiHWhP3oZ8pi-a5aI4S59mW-hhTLXwUQN0Keao.K_J5b2LL3RggEW7MDGaIq58GZ_SLHFfoj_igQKPfA9g&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=how+to+remember+by+andrew+osenga&amp;qid=1753811176&amp;sprefix=how+to+remember+by+%2Caps%2C109&amp;sr=8-1" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to Remember by Andrew Osenga</a>
<a href="https://shop.bandwear.com/collections/andrew-osenga-shop" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga</a>
*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with <a href="https://www.iiiimedia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Four Eyes Media</a>.

[ENCORE EPISODE] Sally Lloyd-Jones: Is It Too Late to Do the Thing You Love?

Creator of the beloved series VeggieTales Phil Vischer, whose influence impacted generations of children, joins The Pivot to talk about what happens when you build something incredible, only to watch it fall apart. Phil opens up about what to do when you discover that you’re not as important as you think you are, how to let God save you from your own ambition, and how to cope with devastating failure in order to turn around and build the life you were meant for—free from what others might think.  Thought-Provoking Quotes: “All I wanted to do was make films and I wanted to be one of the good guys. And then I thought, Well, maybe I’m more than just a good guy who makes films. Maybe I’m like the next Walt Disney.” - Phil Vischer“I don’t like leading people. Which is a bad thing to discover after you’ve hired a whole bunch of people. So my management style tended to be, find the most competent person who liked to be in charge and make them in charge of all the people.” - Phil Vischer“You make a huge mistake when you decide that God needs you. Bad things happen.” - Phil Vischer“[I felt like] I wasn’t doing big things for God if I was curtailing my ambition, not expanding it. I had such a view of evangelical workaholism.” - Phil Vischer“The model I grew up with was if you’re enjoying life, you’re not trying hard enough. If you’re happy, you’re not doing it right. And finally, God got tired of watching me be that way.” - Phil Vischer“I wrote 80% of every line that came out of a vegetable’s mouth for ten years. So you become somewhat personally attached to the characters you’ve created and are bringing to life with your writing. And then, someone says ‘We don’t need you to write them anymore.’” - Phil Vischer“I realized that God was saving me from my ambition, that I was pushing a rock up a hill that He never asked me to push.” - Phil Vischer“What’s your life’s work going to look like? Who’s the model for your life’s work? We pick almost every model in the world except Jesus.” - Phil Vischer“We always talk about our successes in the church. We never talk about our failures.” - Phil Vischer“We’re trying to help a generation stay connected to their faith. To throw out the bathwater, but hang on to baby Jesus.” - Phil Vischer“I think a lot of people that have gone through what Phil has gone through could be bitter and angry, and I’m sure he had his moments. But I don’t get that from him now. I get a lot of wisdom and compassion and definitely curiosity and a sense of ‘What’s next?’” - Andrew Osenga Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeggieTales">VeggieTales</a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-holy-post/id591157388">The Holy Post</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney">Walt Disney</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Experiencing-God-30th-Anniversary-Bible/dp/1087741688">Experiencing God by Henry Blackaby</a><a href="https://www.biola.edu/">Biola University</a><a href="https://billygraham.org/">Billy Graham</a><a href="https://disneyland.disney.go.com/">Disneyland</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Creek_Community_Church">Willow Creek Community Church</a><a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/?utm_source=google-ads&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign&utm_agid=128458843397&utm_term=christianity%20today&creative=563973566829&device=c&placement&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=14953307759&gbraid=0AAAAADcOkD-uhSIeGuNT0DNLAhh58vGno&gclid=Cj0KCQiAxonKBhC1ARIsAIHq_ltvRvE0m9HfDMMx13vFSsXNx8t2cL2N42RDG70Kkk3Q5XhAiE921UkaAn6REALw_wcB">Christianity Today</a><a href="https://www.moodypublishers.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqU8p_BLFWZ5wgXiqvAsZeUDqytuwbirljT297BNp9_ryU2nSbK">Moody Publishers</a><a href="https://www.withgoddaily.com/about/">Skye Jethani</a><a href="https://www.klove.com/">K-Love</a><a href="https://www.jarsofclay.com/">Jars of Clay</a><a href="https://www.sixpencenonethericher.com/">Sixpence None the Richer </a><a href="https://www.u2.com/">U2</a><a href="https://www.wheatoncollegeradio.com/">Wheaton College Radio</a><a href="https://switchfoot.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooKOJOVdKrziBYsjKeJN3C7ssJqdx0ZEEkPBjMTcvoYZR0FofPt">Switchfoot</a><a href="https://www.edsullivan.com/">The Ed Sullivan Show</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Norman">Larry Norman</a><a href="https://randystonehill.com/">Randy Stonehill</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Green">Keith Green</a><a href="https://www.angel.com/guild/join/sale?origin=home">Angel Studios</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Irwin_(producer)">John Irwin</a><a href="https://mikenawrocki.com/">Mike Nawrocki</a><a href="https://gominno.com/lp/deadseasquirrels/">The Dead Sea Squirrels</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/VeggieTales-Toy-That-Saved-Christmas/dp/B00006JDVN">The Toy That Saved Christmas</a><a href="https://www.blender.org/">Blender</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apple_Dumpling_Gang_(film)">The Apple Dumpling Gang</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Bandits">Time Bandits</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coen_brothers">Coen Brothers</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Anderson">Wes Anderson</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Brother,_Where_Art_Thou%3F">O Brother, Where Art Thou?</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hudsucker_Proxy">The Hudsucker Proxy</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumdog_Millionaire">Slumdog Millionaire</a> *Watch this interview on Andrew’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga">YouTube channel</a>!  *All episode music is by Andrew Osenga.  Guest’s Links: <a href="https://www.philvischer.com">Phil Vischer’s website</a><a href="https://m.facebook.com/PhilVischer/">Phil Vischer’s Facebook</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/holypostmedia">Phil Vischer’s Instagram</a><a href="https://x.com/philvischer">Phil Vischer’s X</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/@HolyPostMedia">Phil Vischer’s YouTube</a> Connect with Andrew: <a href="https://www.andrewosenga.com/">Website</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga">YouTube</a><a href="https://andrewosenga.substack.com/">Substack</a><a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/1lJC5MbTUW5ld4yXzNB0H4?si=vuopnKV5R_y6g9DsJCFFkQ&nd=1&dlsi=9019df9a594c4165">Spotify</a><a href="https://www.facebook.com/AndrewOsenga/">Facebook</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/andrewosenga">Instagram</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Remember-Forgotten-Pathways-Authentic/dp/0802435335/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BVRHYSHGX6Q6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cfTvUZiHWhP3oZ8pi-a5aI4S59mW-hhTLXwUQN0Keao.K_J5b2LL3RggEW7MDGaIq58GZ_SLHFfoj_igQKPfA9g&dib_tag=se&keywords=how+to+remember+by+andrew+osenga&qid=1753811176&sprefix=how+to+remember+by+%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1">How to Remember by Andrew Osenga</a><a href="https://shop.bandwear.com/collections/andrew-osenga-shop">Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga</a> *The Pivot is produced in conjunction with <a href="https://www.iiiimedia.com/">Four Eyes Media</a>.

Creator of the beloved series VeggieTales Phil Vischer, whose influence impacted generations of children, joins The Pivot to talk about what happens when you build something incredible, only to watch it fall apart. Phil opens up about what to do when you discover that you’re not as important as you think you are, how to let God save you from your own ambition, and how to cope with devastating failure in order to turn around and build the life you were meant for—free from what others might think. Thought-Provoking Quotes: “All I wanted to do was make films and I wanted to be one of the good guys. And then I thought, Well, maybe I’m more than just a good guy who makes films. Maybe I’m like the next Walt Disney.” - Phil Vischer “I don’t like leading people. Which is a bad thing to discover after you’ve hired a whole bunch of people. So my management style tended to be, find the most competent person who liked to be in charge and make them in charge of all the people.” - Phil Vischer “You make a huge mistake when you decide that God needs you. Bad things happen.” - Phil Vischer “[I felt like] I wasn’t doing big things for God if I was curtailing my ambition, not expanding it. I had such a view of evangelical workaholism.” - Phil Vischer “The model I grew up with was if you’re enjoying life, you’re not trying hard enough. If you’re happy, you’re not doing it right. And finally, God got tired of watching me be that way.” - Phil Vischer “I wrote 80% of every line that came out of a vegetable’s mouth for ten years. So you become somewhat personally attached to the characters you’ve created and are bringing to life with your writing. And then, someone says ‘We don’t need you to write them anymore.’” - Phil Vischer “I realized that God was saving me from my ambition, that I was pushing a rock up a hill that He never asked me to push.” - Phil Vischer “What’s your life’s work going to look like? Who’s the model for your life’s work? We pick almost every model in the world except Jesus.” - Phil Vischer “We always talk about our successes in the church. We never talk about our failures.” - Phil Vischer “We’re trying to help a generation stay connected to their faith. To throw out the bathwater, but hang on to baby Jesus.” - Phil Vischer “I think a lot of people that have gone through what Phil has gone through could be bitter and angry, and I’m sure he had his moments. But I don’t get that from him now. I get a lot of wisdom and compassion and definitely curiosity and a sense of ‘What’s next?’” - Andrew Osenga Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned: VeggieTales The Holy Post Walt Disney Experiencing God by Henry Blackaby Biola University Billy Graham Disneyland Willow Creek Community Church Christianity Today Moody Publishers Skye Jethani K-Love Jars of Clay Sixpence None the Richer U2 Wheaton College Radio Switchfoot The Ed Sullivan Show Larry Norman Randy Stonehill Keith Green Angel Studios John Irwin Mike Nawrocki The Dead Sea Squirrels The Toy That Saved Christmas Blender The Apple Dumpling Gang Time Bandits Coen Brothers Wes Anderson O Brother, Where Art Thou? The Hudsucker Proxy Slumdog Millionaire *Watch this interview on Andrew’s YouTube channel! *All episode music is by Andrew Osenga. Guest’s Links: Phil Vischer’s website Phil Vischer’s Facebook Phil Vischer’s Instagram Phil Vischer’s X Phil Vischer’s YouTube Connect with Andrew: Website YouTube Substack Spotify Facebook Instagram How to Remember by Andrew Osenga Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga *The Pivot is produced in conjunction with Four Eyes Media.

Creator of the beloved series VeggieTales Phil Vischer, whose influence impacted generations of children, joins The Pivot to talk about what happens when you build something incredible, only to watch it fall apart. Phil opens up about what to do when you discover that you’re not as important as you think you are, how to let God save you from your own ambition, and how to cope with devastating failure in order to turn around and build the life you were meant for—free from what others might think.&nbsp;&nbsp;Thought-Provoking Quotes:&nbsp;“All I wanted to do was make films and I wanted to be one of the good guys. And then I thought, Well, maybe I’m more than just a good guy who makes films. Maybe I’m like the next Walt Disney.” - Phil Vischer“I don’t like leading people. Which is a bad thing to discover after you’ve hired a whole bunch of people. So my management style tended to be, find the most competent person who liked to be in charge and make them in charge of all the people.” - Phil Vischer“You make a huge mistake when you decide that God needs you. Bad things happen.” - Phil Vischer“[I felt like] I wasn’t doing big things for God if I was curtailing my ambition, not expanding it. I had such a view of evangelical workaholism.” - Phil Vischer“The model I grew up with was if you’re enjoying life, you’re not trying hard enough. If you’re happy, you’re not doing it right. And finally, God got tired of watching me be that way.” - Phil Vischer“I wrote 80% of every line that came out of a vegetable’s mouth for ten years. So you become somewhat personally attached to the characters you’ve created and are bringing to life with your writing. And then, someone says ‘We don’t need you to write them anymore.’” - Phil Vischer“I realized that God was saving me from my ambition, that I was pushing a rock up a hill that He never asked me to push.” - Phil Vischer“What’s your life’s work going to look like? Who’s the model for your life’s work? We pick almost every model in the world except Jesus.” - Phil Vischer“We always talk about our successes in the church. We never talk about our failures.” - Phil Vischer“We’re trying to help a generation stay connected to their faith. To throw out the bathwater, but hang on to baby Jesus.” - Phil Vischer“I think a lot of people that have gone through what Phil has gone through could be bitter and angry, and I’m sure he had his moments. But I don’t get that from him now. I get a lot of wisdom and compassion and definitely curiosity and a sense of ‘What’s next?’” - Andrew Osenga&nbsp;Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeggieTales" rel="noopener noreferrer">VeggieTales</a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-holy-post/id591157388" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Holy Post</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney" rel="noopener noreferrer">Walt Disney</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Experiencing-God-30th-Anniversary-Bible/dp/1087741688" rel="noopener noreferrer">Experiencing God by Henry Blackaby</a><a href="https://www.biola.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Biola University</a><a href="https://billygraham.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Billy Graham</a><a href="https://disneyland.disney.go.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Disneyland</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Creek_Community_Church" rel="noopener noreferrer">Willow Creek Community Church</a><a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/?utm_source=google-ads&amp;utm_medium=cpc&amp;utm_campaign&amp;utm_agid=128458843397&amp;utm_term=christianity%20today&amp;creative=563973566829&amp;device=c&amp;placement&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=14953307759&amp;gbraid=0AAAAADcOkD-uhSIeGuNT0DNLAhh58vGno&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQiAxonKBhC1ARIsAIHq_ltvRvE0m9HfDMMx13vFSsXNx8t2cL2N42RDG70Kkk3Q5XhAiE921UkaAn6REALw_wcB" rel="noopener noreferrer">Christianity Today</a><a href="https://www.moodypublishers.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqU8p_BLFWZ5wgXiqvAsZeUDqytuwbirljT297BNp9_ryU2nSbK" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moody Publishers</a><a href="https://www.withgoddaily.com/about/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Skye Jethani</a><a href="https://www.klove.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">K-Love</a><a href="https://www.jarsofclay.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jars of Clay</a><a href="https://www.sixpencenonethericher.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sixpence None the Richer&nbsp;</a><a href="https://www.u2.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">U2</a><a href="https://www.wheatoncollegeradio.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wheaton College Radio</a><a href="https://switchfoot.com/?srsltid=AfmBOooKOJOVdKrziBYsjKeJN3C7ssJqdx0ZEEkPBjMTcvoYZR0FofPt" rel="noopener noreferrer">Switchfoot</a><a href="https://www.edsullivan.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Ed Sullivan Show</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Norman" rel="noopener noreferrer">Larry Norman</a><a href="https://randystonehill.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Randy Stonehill</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Green" rel="noopener noreferrer">Keith Green</a><a href="https://www.angel.com/guild/join/sale?origin=home" rel="noopener noreferrer">Angel Studios</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Irwin_(producer)" rel="noopener noreferrer">John Irwin</a><a href="https://mikenawrocki.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mike Nawrocki</a><a href="https://gominno.com/lp/deadseasquirrels/" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Dead Sea Squirrels</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/VeggieTales-Toy-That-Saved-Christmas/dp/B00006JDVN" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Toy That Saved Christmas</a><a href="https://www.blender.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Blender</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apple_Dumpling_Gang_(film)" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Apple Dumpling Gang</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Bandits" rel="noopener noreferrer">Time Bandits</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coen_brothers" rel="noopener noreferrer">Coen Brothers</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Anderson" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wes Anderson</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Brother,_Where_Art_Thou%3F" rel="noopener noreferrer">O Brother, Where Art Thou?</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hudsucker_Proxy" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Hudsucker Proxy</a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumdog_Millionaire" rel="noopener noreferrer">Slumdog Millionaire</a>&nbsp;*Watch this interview on Andrew’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube channel</a>!&nbsp;&nbsp;*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga.&nbsp;&nbsp;Guest’s Links:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.philvischer.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Vischer’s website</a><a href="https://m.facebook.com/PhilVischer/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Vischer’s Facebook</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/holypostmedia" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Vischer’s Instagram</a><a href="https://x.com/philvischer" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Vischer’s X</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/@HolyPostMedia" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Vischer’s YouTube</a>&nbsp;Connect with Andrew:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.andrewosenga.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Website</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube</a><a href="https://andrewosenga.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Substack</a><a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/1lJC5MbTUW5ld4yXzNB0H4?si=vuopnKV5R_y6g9DsJCFFkQ&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=9019df9a594c4165" rel="noopener noreferrer">Spotify</a><a href="https://www.facebook.com/AndrewOsenga/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Facebook</a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/andrewosenga" rel="noopener noreferrer">Instagram</a><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Remember-Forgotten-Pathways-Authentic/dp/0802435335/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BVRHYSHGX6Q6&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cfTvUZiHWhP3oZ8pi-a5aI4S59mW-hhTLXwUQN0Keao.K_J5b2LL3RggEW7MDGaIq58GZ_SLHFfoj_igQKPfA9g&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=how+to+remember+by+andrew+osenga&amp;qid=1753811176&amp;sprefix=how+to+remember+by+%2Caps%2C109&amp;sr=8-1" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to Remember by Andrew Osenga</a><a href="https://shop.bandwear.com/collections/andrew-osenga-shop" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hold the Light by Andrew Osenga</a>&nbsp;*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with <a href="https://www.iiiimedia.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Four Eyes Media</a>.

Phil Vischer: Letting Go of Your Dream, and Asking “What’s Next?”

Songwriter, author, recording artist, mother… These are just a few of the hats Cindy Morgan wears. As a songwriter she’s been a part of many more songs than you would imagine, from artists like Vince Gill, India.Arie, Rascal Flatts, Ricky Skaggs, Amy Grant, Mandisa to Brandon Heath, Sandra McCracken, Josh Garrels, Sierra Hull, and EchoSmith. As you’ll learn, Cindy just writes ALL the time.
I’ve gotten to work with her musically a few times in various places over the years and it’s been wonderful. But more than that, she has been a clear and consistent voice of kindness and encouragement to me and that has really meant a lot.
It was such a treat to sit down and hear more about her journey, and talk about long-lost Nashville restaurant, The West End Cooker, and why High School Musical is so strangely great.
Listen to Cindy’s new single with her band <a href="https://www.stlolainthefields.com/">St. Lola in the Fields</a> - and follow them on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/stlolamusic/">instagram</a>.
For more about Cindy and her writing, <a href="https://www.cindymorganmusic.com/">check out her website</a>, or <a href="https://www.instagram.com/cindymorganmusic/">follow her on instagram</a>.
Most importantly, join us at the <a href="https://www.fh.org/friend/pivot-chicken-of-the-month/?source=A20ZSM8TF1&utm_source=ap&utm_campaign=chickenmonth&utm_medium=ap_web&utm_content=A20ZSM8TF1">CHICKEN OF THE MONTH CLUB!!!</a> Go to <a href="https://www.fh.org/friend/pivot-chicken-of-the-month/?source=A20ZSM8TF1&utm_source=ap&utm_campaign=chickenmonth&utm_medium=ap_web&utm_content=A20ZSM8TF1">fh.org/pivot</a> to sign up today!
And <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/1lJC5MbTUW5ld4yXzNB0H4">here’s my music</a>, if you’re interested…
Thank you all!
Now go do something awesome.

Songwriter, author, recording artist, mother… These are just a few of the hats Cindy Morgan wears. As a songwriter she’s been a part of many more songs than you would imagine, from artists like Vince Gill, India.Arie, Rascal Flatts, Ricky Skaggs, Amy Grant, Mandisa to Brandon Heath, Sandra McCracken, Josh Garrels, Sierra Hull, and EchoSmith. As you’ll learn, Cindy just writes ALL the time. I’ve gotten to work with her musically a few times in various places over the years and it’s been wonderful. But more than that, she has been a clear and consistent voice of kindness and encouragement to me and that has really meant a lot. It was such a treat to sit down and hear more about her journey, and talk about long-lost Nashville restaurant, The West End Cooker, and why High School Musical is so strangely great. Listen to Cindy’s new single with her band St. Lola in the Fields - and follow them on instagram. For more about Cindy and her writing, check out her website, or follow her on instagram. Most importantly, join us at the CHICKEN OF THE MONTH CLUB!!! Go to fh.org/pivot to sign up today! And here’s my music, if you’re interested… Thank you all! Now go do something awesome.

Songwriter, author, recording artist, mother… These are just a few of the hats Cindy Morgan wears. As a songwriter she’s been a part of many more songs than you would imagine, from artists like Vince Gill, India.Arie, Rascal Flatts, Ricky Skaggs, Amy Grant, Mandisa to Brandon Heath, Sandra McCracken, Josh Garrels, Sierra Hull, and EchoSmith. As you’ll learn, Cindy just writes ALL the time.
I’ve gotten to work with her musically a few times in various places over the years and it’s been wonderful. But more than that, she has been a clear and consistent voice of kindness and encouragement to me and that has really meant a lot.
It was such a treat to sit down and hear more about her journey, and talk about long-lost Nashville restaurant, The West End Cooker, and why High School Musical is so strangely great.
Listen to Cindy’s new single with her band <a href="https://www.stlolainthefields.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">St. Lola in the Fields</a> - and follow them on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/stlolamusic/" rel="noopener noreferrer">instagram</a>.
For more about Cindy and her writing, <a href="https://www.cindymorganmusic.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">check out her website</a>, or <a href="https://www.instagram.com/cindymorganmusic/" rel="noopener noreferrer">follow her on instagram</a>.
Most importantly, join us at the <a href="https://www.fh.org/friend/pivot-chicken-of-the-month/?source=A20ZSM8TF1&amp;utm_source=ap&amp;utm_campaign=chickenmonth&amp;utm_medium=ap_web&amp;utm_content=A20ZSM8TF1" rel="noopener noreferrer">CHICKEN OF THE MONTH CLUB!!!</a> Go to <a href="https://www.fh.org/friend/pivot-chicken-of-the-month/?source=A20ZSM8TF1&amp;utm_source=ap&amp;utm_campaign=chickenmonth&amp;utm_medium=ap_web&amp;utm_content=A20ZSM8TF1" rel="noopener noreferrer">fh.org/pivot</a> to sign up today!
And <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/1lJC5MbTUW5ld4yXzNB0H4" rel="noopener noreferrer">here’s my music</a>, if you’re interested…
Thank you all!
Now go do something awesome.

088 - Cindy Morgan

Andrew talks with his friend Don Chaffer, who he used to stalk, and talk about the beginning of Waterdeep, losing your parents, the choices that choose you as an adult, and musical theater. A LOT about musical theater. It's fascinating. 
Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

Andrew talks with his friend Don Chaffer, who he used to stalk, and talk about the beginning of Waterdeep, losing your parents, the choices that choose you as an adult, and musical theater. A LOT about musical theater. It's fascinating. Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

Andrew talks with his friend Don Chaffer, who he used to stalk, and talk about the beginning of Waterdeep, losing your parents, the choices that choose you as an adult, and musical theater. A LOT about musical theater. It's fascinating. 
Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

004 - Don Chaffer

Bebo Norman sits down with Andrew as they recount starting music careers before the internet, crashing on couches and playing YoungLife camps, starting families and investing in community, and ultimately putting down the guitar and starting over in a completely new career. 
Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

Bebo Norman sits down with Andrew as they recount starting music careers before the internet, crashing on couches and playing YoungLife camps, starting families and investing in community, and ultimately putting down the guitar and starting over in a completely new career. Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

Bebo Norman sits down with Andrew as they recount starting music careers before the internet, crashing on couches and playing YoungLife camps, starting families and investing in community, and ultimately putting down the guitar and starting over in a completely new career. 
Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

003 - Bebo Norman

Today's guest is Ellie Holcomb. We talk about growing up never wanting to be a musician, YoungLife camp, her time as a middle school teacher, and what led to her leaving her husband's successful band to start her own solo career. 
 Visit andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

Today's guest is Ellie Holcomb. We talk about growing up never wanting to be a musician, YoungLife camp, her time as a middle school teacher, and what led to her leaving her husband's successful band to start her own solo career. Visit andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

Today's guest is Ellie Holcomb. We talk about growing up&nbsp;never wanting to be a musician, YoungLife camp, her time as a middle school teacher,&nbsp;and what led to her leaving her husband's successful band to start her own solo career. 
&nbsp;Visit andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

002 - Ellie Holcomb

It's our first episode! We begin with our guest Dave Barnes. Dave is a successful singer/songwriter, hit country songwriter, occasional comedian, and a deep thinker. This felt like the right interview to lead the series as we talk about careers, Billy Joel, idolatry, and why we need a bar mitzvah for guys quitting music. 
Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

It's our first episode! We begin with our guest Dave Barnes. Dave is a successful singer/songwriter, hit country songwriter, occasional comedian, and a deep thinker. This felt like the right interview to lead the series as we talk about careers, Billy Joel, idolatry, and why we need a bar mitzvah for guys quitting music. Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

It's our first episode! We begin with our guest Dave Barnes. Dave is a successful singer/songwriter, hit country songwriter, occasional comedian, and a deep thinker. This felt like the right interview to lead the series as we talk about careers, Billy Joel, idolatry, and why we need a bar mitzvah for guys quitting music. 
Check out andrewosenga.com/podcast for more about The Pivot and our host Andrew.

001 - Dave Barnes

Welcome to the Pivot. Stories of people who have made a change. 
This is our introductory episode where host Andrew Osenga tells us a bit about the journey that led to this podcast and what you can expect to hear in season one. 
Upcoming guests include: Dave Barnes, Ellie Holcomb, Dan Haseltine, Bebo Norman, Annie Downs, Steve Taylor, Don Chaffer, Andrew Peterson and Stacia Freeman. 
You can find out more about this podcast at Andrewosenga.com/podcast

Welcome to the Pivot. Stories of people who have made a change. This is our introductory episode where host Andrew Osenga tells us a bit about the journey that led to this podcast and what you can expect to hear in season one. Upcoming guests include: Dave Barnes, Ellie Holcomb, Dan Haseltine, Bebo Norman, Annie Downs, Steve Taylor, Don Chaffer, Andrew Peterson and Stacia Freeman. You can find out more about this podcast at Andrewosenga.com/podcast

Welcome to the Pivot. Stories of people who have made a change. 
This is our introductory episode where host Andrew Osenga tells us a bit about the journey that led to this podcast and what you can expect to hear in season one. 
Upcoming guests include: Dave Barnes, Ellie Holcomb, Dan Haseltine, Bebo Norman, Annie Downs, Steve Taylor, Don Chaffer, Andrew Peterson and Stacia Freeman. 
You can find out more about this podcast at Andrewosenga.com/podcast

Episode 00

"What happens when life stops working?" Musician / Author Andrew Osenga talks with thinkers, artists, scientists and theologians about dealing with change, failure, and starting over again. Faith, health, career, family... No subject is off limits in this engaging and intimate series.

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