The Running for Real Podcast

"Running is a lifelong friend." That's how microbiologist Dr. Lydia Jennings describes the sport she first embraced as a teenager at boarding school. She calls it her "best relationship" with herself. Like all relationships, it has its ups and downs, but it's a central part of her life not only for physical and mental health, but as a tool for scholarship, environmental activism, and to be present in her community. It's taken her to the Boston Marathon; on a 50-mile run to honor Indigenous scholars, documented in Run To Be Visible; and across 135 miles of the desert Southwest to change the way that we think about the literal and metaphorical skin of the Earth.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode307.

Thank you to Legacy of Speed, Paceline, and Allbirds for sponsoring this episode.

Check out the Pushkin Industries x Tracksmith new podcast, Legacy of Speed

When two Black sprinters raised their fists in protest at the 1968 Olympic Games, it shook the world. More than 50 years later, the ripple effects of their activism are still felt. In this new series from Pushkin Industries, get to know the runners who took a stand, and the coaches and mentors who helped make them fast enough — and brave enough — to change the world. Hosted by Malcolm Gladwell.

Find Legacy of Speed here or on your favorite podcast player.

Go here and use the code TINA15 to get free shipping at Tracksmith. With your purchase, Tracksmith will donate 5% to my favorite non profit, Runners for Public Lands!

Want to get rewarded for that next run? Well, Paceline thinks you should. That's why they'll turn your physical activity into cash back: get 150 minutes of movement a week and boost your cash back from 2.5 percent to 5 percent on eligible Health & Wellness purchases made with your Paceline credit card. Restrictions, terms and conditions apply. Go to pacelinefit.app.link/TINA for details. They also have a free rewards app that lets you earn gift cards and discounts to some of your favorite brands.

Allbirds' products are made from natural and recycled materials, and best of all, they know who they are. They are confident in what they do, and are changing the entire running industry before our eyes.

You can see their entire collection on their website.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

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"Thank you" to Lydia. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

It was while running the Philadelphia Marathon that Charles Moore made the observation that gave rise to his upcoming memoir: Black People Don't Run Marathons. Whenever he encountered another Black runner in that race, they would give him "the nod," an unspoken acknowledgement of his presence there. Reflecting on the experience, he realized that "there was a sort of diversity issue in endurance and distance running." He had friends who exercised regularly, but none of them had run a marathon. "I thought," he says, "maybe I can do something to inspire them to add that to their resume of things that they do to continue this journey of being physically fit and healthy." Within three years he ran 19 marathons, including five of the six World Majors.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode306.

Thank you to Legacy of Speed, Paceline, and InsideTracker for sponsoring this episode.

Check out the Pushkin Industries x Tracksmith new podcast, Legacy of Speed.

When two Black sprinters raised their fists in protest at the 1968 Olympic Games, it shook the world. More than 50 years later, the ripple effects of their activism are still felt. In this new series from Pushkin Industries, get to know the runners who took a stand, and the coaches and mentors who helped make them fast enough — and brave enough — to change the world. Hosted by Malcolm Gladwell.

Find Legacy of Speed here or on your favorite podcast player.

Go here and use the code TINA15 to get free shipping at Tracksmith. With your purchase, Tracksmith will donate 5% to my favorite non profit, Runners for Public Lands!

Want to get rewarded for that next run? Well, Paceline thinks you should be. That's why they'll turn your physical activity into cash back: get 150 minutes of movement a week and boost your cash back from 2.5 percent to 5 percent on eligible Health & Wellness purchases made with your Paceline credit card. Restrictions, terms and conditions apply. Go to pacelinefit.app.link/TINA for details. They also have a free rewards app that lets you earn gift cards and discounts to some of your favorite brands.

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Charles. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Many people start running because they're inspired - or tricked or persuaded - by a devoted runner who introduces them to the sport. Not so Mary Rice-Boothe. The chief access and equity officer of The Leadership Academy ran her first race, the New York City Half Marathon, at the request of her sister - who wasn't even a runner herself! She discovered how much she loved running while training for the race and it's since become an important part of her routine, helping her to deal with the stress of an extremely demanding job, helping to create school systems that support students, especially minoritized students.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode305.

Thank you to Legacy of Speed, Paceline, and InsideTracker for sponsoring this episode.

Check out the Pushkin Industries x Tracksmith new podcast, Legacy of Speed

When two Black sprinters raised their fists in protest at the 1968 Olympic Games, it shook the world. More than 50 years later, the ripple effects of their activism are still felt. In this new series from Pushkin Industries, get to know the runners who took a stand, and the coaches and mentors who helped make them fast enough — and brave enough — to change the world. Hosted by Malcolm Gladwell.

Find Legacy of Speed here or on your favorite podcast player

Go here and use the code TINA15 to get free shipping at Tracksmith. With your purchase, Tracksmith will donate 5% to my favorite non profit, Runners for Public Lands!

Want to get rewarded for that next run? Well, Paceline thinks you should. That's why they'll turn your physical activity into cash back: get 150 minutes of movement a week and boost your cash back from 2.5 percent to 5 percent on eligible Health & Wellness purchases made with your Paceline credit card. Restrictions, terms and conditions apply. Go to pacelinefit.app.link/TINA for details. They also have a free rewards app that lets you earn gift cards and discounts to some of your favorite brands.

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Mary. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

You might assume that Tim Brown, CEO and co-founder of the revolutionary shoe company Allbirds, has a footwear background, but he actually has a football background. He was a professional soccer player with the New Zealand National Team when he conceived of the idea for a running shoe made from natural materials. Being from New Zealand, where sheep outnumber humans six to one, wool was the obvious choice and the prototype for Allbirds was born. They've just launched their new shoe, the Tree Flyer, designed for distance running.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode304.

Thank you to Tracksmith, InsideTracker, and Allbirds for sponsoring this episode.

Tracksmith is a Boston-based company that truly cares about the quality of their running clothes. Running can be demanding on our clothes; they definitely go through wear and tear to where we may be purchasing new clothes constantly. Tracksmith designers work with the finest materials and keep you in mind as a runner, with spots for your keys, phone, and fuel. You can go here to check out my favorites!

Go here and use the code TINA15. You'll get free shipping and Tracksmith will donate 5% of your purchase to Runners for Public Lands!

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide.

Allbirds' products are made from natural and recycled materials, and best of all, they know who they are. They are confident in what they do, and are changing the entire running industry before our eyes.

You can see their entire collection on their website.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Tim. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Since the age of five, Jessica Trengove has had "an innate belief that we could all be whatever we wanted to be if we put our minds to it." Her goals at the time were to be a ballerina, a gymnast, and a veterinarian. Instead she became a two-time Olympian, a physiotherapist and coach, and an entrepreneur. Running has been a constant in her life since childhood, but events in recent years have given her a new perspective on the sport.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode303.

Thank you to Athletic Greens, Allbirds, and InsideTracker for sponsoring this episode.

AG1 is a simple and easy way to get 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food source ingredients to help strengthen your immune system. It's simple to make and it tastes good! Go here to get a FREE year's supply of Vitamin D and five FREE travel packs with your subscription!

Allbirds is all about doing things better, like collaborating with Adidas to create a performance running shoe, the FOOTPRINT.FUTURECRAFT, with only 2.94kg CO2 per pair. Their products are made from natural and recycled materials, and best of all, they know who they are. They are confident in what they do, and are changing the entire running industry before our eyes. You can see their entire collection on their website.

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide!

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Jess. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Tina attempts to take you on a run in the Utah mountains, but after cocming very close to a nasty fall, decided to cut the run and continue in St Louis instead. Join Tina for a nature check in, body scan, senses check in, and conversation in this Together Run from her home. If you have never joined us for a Together Run, give it a try. This is the closest you can come to running with a friend without actually doing so. Come join us for Together Run 54 on your next run. Tina mentioned

No sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team:

Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here.

You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs.

You can leave a review on iTunes.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here.

Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

We Run 313's motto is "Connect. Run. Build." Lance Woods and Joe Robinson founded the social run club to connect "like-minded individuals through running to build a healthier and happier community." That community is Detroit, which is where the "313" comes from - it's the Motor City's area code. We Run 313 has become Detroit's largest run club in just three years, not only in-person, but also on Strava, where it has 2190 members.

Joe and Lance are both competitive runners, but the runs that We Run 313 hosts aren't about competition. As Lance explains, "we're for runners of all levels, all ages, all races, all paces, whatever the case may be. We're a community-based organization that helps people to keep moving and to stay active."

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode302.

Thank you to Allbirds, InsideTracker, and Athletic Greens for sponsoring this episode.

Allbirds is all about doing things better, like collaborating with Adidas to create a performance running shoe, the FOOTPRINT.FUTURECRAFT, with only 2.94kg CO2 per pair. Their products are made from natural and recycled materials, and best of all, they know who they are. They are confident in what they do, and are changing the entire running industry before our eyes. You can see their entire collection on their website.

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide.

AG1 is a simple and easy way to get 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food source ingredients to help strengthen your immune system. It's simple to make and it tastes good! Go here to get a FREE year's supply of Vitamin D and five FREE travel packs with your subscription!

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Joe and Lance. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

In 1955, Rosa Parks' arrest for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man in Montgomery, Alabama, led to a boycott of the city's public transportation system. 381 days later, Montgomery's buses were desegregated. Deo Kato used that historic number as the framework for Running for Justice, which he describes as "active activism." He set a goal of running at least 10k per day for 381 days to raise awareness and campaign against racism. He achieved that last year, but kept going, and is still running for justice, peace, and equality.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode301.

Thank you to Allbirds, InsideTracker, and Athletic Greens for sponsoring this episode.

Allbirds is all about doing things better, like collaborating with Adidas to create a performance running shoe, the FOOTPRINT.FUTURECRAFT, with only 2.94kg CO2 per pair. Their products are made from natural and recycled materials, and best of all, they know who they are. They are confident in what they do, and are changing the entire running industry before our eyes. You can see their entire collection on their website,

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide.

AG1 is a simple and easy way to get 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food source ingredients to help strengthen your immune system. It's simple to make and it tastes good! Go here to get a FREE year's supply of Vitamin D and five FREE travel packs with your subscription!

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Deo. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Join Tina for a run deep in the Pacific Northwest Forest in Portland, Oregon. On this Together Run, Tina goes on a trail run and takes runners through all the usual meditative elements of Togetehr Runs- a body scan, senses check in, physical and mental check in. Tina shares some updates and talks through some challenges in life, along with what she is doing to work through them.

If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team:

Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here.

You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs.

You can leave a review on iTunes.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here.

Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Reshma Saujani says that her best thinking is done when she goes for a run. Those thoughts have led to her founding Girls Who Code and the Marshall Plan for Moms; writing the best-selling Brave, Not Perfect and her new book, Pay Up: The Future of Women and Work; becoming the first Indian-American woman to run for the U.S. Congress; and being included on the Fortune 40 Under 40 list.

When Reshma ran a marathon, it was because she'd just had a "really bad breakup." It was very much about healing and it was amazing," she recalls. It also made an impact on her far greater than recovering from a broken romance. It was "the beginning of my journey," she says. "In many ways it was the first time I really stuck with it, and I started really building that resiliency."

Resiliency is something that girls need but aren't typically taught, just one of the issues that Reshma confronts in her fight for women, girls, and the most vulnerable in society, as she and Tina discuss in this episode.

For complete show notes and links, visit our website at runningforreal.com/episode300.

Thank you to Tracksmith, InsideTracker, and Athletic Greens for sponsoring this episode.

Tracksmith is a Boston-based company that truly cares about the quality of their running clothes. Running can be demanding on our clothes; they definitely go through wear and tear to where we may be purchasing new clothes constantly. Tracksmith designers work with the finest materials and keep you in mind as a runner, with spots for your keys, phone, and fuel. You can go here to check out my favorites!

Go here and use the code TINA15. You'll get free shipping and Tracksmith will donate 5% of your purchase to Runners for Public Lands!

Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all.

Go here to get 25% off site wide.

AG1 is a simple and easy way to get 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food source ingredients to help strengthen your immune system. It's simple to make and it tastes good!

Go here to get a FREE year's supply of Vitamin D and five FREE travel packs with your subscription.

Thanks for listening!

We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us:

• Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
  • If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone.
• Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player.
  • Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people.

Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

"Thank you" to Reshma. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.