In this conversation, leadership coach and author Mac Lake joins Linda and Dana to unpack what separates leaders who simply manage people from leaders who multiply other leaders. Mac shares the pivotal moment early in his career when he realized being talented and hardworking didn't automatically make him an effective leader—and explains the progression from doer → team builder → developer → multiplier. Mac explores how great leaders identify potential before people appear "ready," create intentional systems for leadership growth, and expose future leaders to experiences before titles. They also dive into practical strategies for building leadership pipelines, apprenticing emerging leaders, creating sustainable development systems, and rethinking succession as multiplication rather than loss.