Claire St. Amant rose to the top of the true crime journalism world as a producer for 48 Hours, contributor to 60 Minutes, covering some of the biggest cases and bringing to life the story of Samuel Little, America's perhaps least known and most prolific serial killer. Claire's work trying to break through the typical true crime model, however, left her jaded and she joins me to discuss this, her crusade for change and her new book Killer Story: The Truth Behind True Crime Television.

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When Dione Thomas died in a Gallup, New Mexico hotel room, it was ruled a homicide. Deep into the investigation, the family discovered it had been reclassified as an undetermined death. Similar to the family of Ellen Greenberg in Pennsylvania, her family is pushing for an independent forensic pathologist to review the case and for the death to be once again classified as a homicide. But, unlike the Greenberg case, the family of Dione is dealing with the complexities of being Natives trying to get justice. I conclude my conversation with Dione's sisters', Christine Means and Karen Watson. Along the way, we get a glimpse of the hope, power and love of an inspiring family. I conclude my conversation with Karen and Christine.

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In many ways, the death of Dione Thomas is the Indigenous Ellen Greenberg case. Christine Means and Karen Watson have spent years questioning the circumstances surrounding their sister Dione's death. At first, the police in Gallup, New Mexico, said it was a murder and they had a suspect. Years later, the family found out that the medical examiner classified what appeared to be a brutal beating as "undetermined." Karen and Christine join me to discuss Dione's case and unequal justice for Natives in the U.S.

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I continue the second and final part of my interview with journalist Billy Jensen. Jensen & Holes: The Murder Squad was one of the top true crime podcasts before it was rocked by a scandal. In this episode, we dive into the scandal but also talk about crime, victims, addiction and recovery, the struggles of journalism and our concerns about men's mental health.

Investigative journalist Billy Jensen and investigator Paul Holes, both known for work related to the Golden State Killer case, co-hosted the podcast that topped the charts since 2019. At the 2022 CrimeCon convention for true crime enthusiasts in Las Vegas, Jensen was a headline speaker on a panel on the Long Island Serial Killer case, held a book signing and was surrounded by adoring fans.

But within a month, two podcasters released episodes accusing Jensen of sexual misconduct and the next month a blistering Rolling Stone magazine article detailed even more allegations. Jensen lost the podcast and quickly went from being a true crime darling to a pariah. We sit down to discuss the allegations, what he learned about himself and the change in his life, being an addict in recovery, what he is quietly doing in the background to still help victims’ families, and the current state of journalism and true crime.

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I want to share some listener updates for the summer - living my life, some work we are doing related to some cases and just some cool things I love about and will be doing with our listeners.

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Jensen & Holes: The Murder Squad was one of the top true crime podcasts. Investigative journalist Billy Jensen and investigator Paul Holes, both known for work related to the Golden State Killer case, co-hosted the podcast that topped the charts since 2019. At the 2022 CrimeCon convention for true crime enthusiasts in Las Vegas, Jensen was a headline speaker on a panel on the Long Island Serial Killer case, held a book signing and was surrounded by adoring fans.

But within a month, two podcasters released episodes accusing Jensen of sexual misconduct and the next month a blistering Rolling Stone magazine article detailed even more allegations. Jensen lost the podcast and quickly went from being a true crime darling to a pariah. We sit down to discuss the allegations, what he learned about himself and the change in his life, being an addict in recovery, what he is quietly doing in the background to still help victims’ families, and the current state of journalism and true crime.

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I continue my conversation with tribal Judge Victorio Shaw. Humbolt County, on the northern California coast, is known as the place where the name Bigfoot originated and is the home of Murder Mountain, which took its name from serial killers who fled here. The 2018 documentary by the same name explores how Humbolt is the county in the United States with the highest rate of missing persons. But it does not touch on how many of those people are Indigenous. North of Murder Mountain lies the Yurok Reservation, where 33-year-old Emmilee Risling, a University of Oregon graduate and accomplished tribal dancer, disappeared in 2021. We are joined by her cousin, Judge Shaw, to discuss Emilee's case and broader solutions for the challenges of creating a just world for Indigenous people.

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https://silverliningshandbook.com/2025/05/13/145-north-of-murder-mountain-with-judge-victorio-shaw-part-2-of-2/

For more information on Emmilee's case, check our the feature in The New York Times, "Whose Searching for Emmiliee Risling?":

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/us/missing-persons-emmilee-risling.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

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Humbolt County, on the northern California coast, is known as the place where the name Bigfoot originated and is the home of Murder Mountain, which took its name from serial killers who fled here. The 2018 documentary by the same name explores how Humbolt is the county in the United States with the highest rate of missing persons. But it does not touch on how many of those people are Indigenous. North of Murder Mountain lies the Yurok Reservation, where 33-year-old Emmilee Risling, a University of Oregon graduate and accomplished tribal dancer, disappeared in 2021. We are joined by her cousin, a tribal judge, Victorio Shaw, to discuss Emilee's case and broader solutions for the challenges of creating a just world for Indigenous people.

Listen to our second episode with Victorio:

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For more information on Emmilee's case, check our the feature in The New York Times, "Whose Searching for Emmiliee Risling?":

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/us/missing-persons-emmilee-risling.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

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This is a re-release of a September 26, 2023, episode.

In this episode, Jayson, Dani Brillhart and Colton Jones, of the band NI/Co, discuss what it's like to break into the music industry while remaining authentic, sending a message of love from music while nurturing their own love and managing racism as an interracial couple in the public eye. We also get to listen to their powerful music.

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Rebecca Harbowy went to get help at a British Columbia hospital with people who loved her. Hours later, she disappeared in a mystery that is still unsolved. In the second part of my conversation with Rebecca's mom, Debbie, we talk about her search for Rebecca and her hope to improve the systems that failed her.

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https://silverliningshandbook.com/2025/05/02/142-the-disappearance-of-rebecca-harbowy-with-debbie-harbowy-part-1-of-2/

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