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From Mom and Mia.

00:02Speaker 2

Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix.

00:05Speaker 1

I'm m Vernon and.

00:06Speaker 3

I'm Brief Player, executive producer of MoMA MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and former magazine editor.

00:12Speaker 1

We had a full intro. That's that's my intro. That's what I'm told to say. I love that. Well. I know yours is just your name, but you.

00:20Speaker 2

Know what that's because I don't know what's going on for me.

00:23Speaker 3

That is, it's because you are a name. It's because your talented girl too. Oh okay, well player.

00:28Speaker 1

Does stand out.

00:29Speaker 4

Well.

00:29Speaker 2

A name that is missing is LB Laura Brodney. It is she is having some fun with her family and we are holding down the fort LB.

00:38Speaker 1

If you're listening, no you're not. It's fun. We've got this.

00:42Speaker 2

Today on the show, we are going to be talking about a very firm statement a production company has put out towards its fan base of a very cult favorite show and what this means, I guess, for the future of film sets. We're also talking about how a lot of hot men doing a bit of.

01:00Speaker 1

A career turn. We're not complaining, we are, no, we are quite the opposite.

01:06Speaker 2

Really, But first I need to talk about our friend Victoria Beckham, so friend of the show, friend of the show, show of the podcast. So she recently went on Emma Gred's podcast. It's like over an hour long interview. Emma Greed, if you don't know, has developed so many of the Kardashian brands. She's like CEO of Chloe's Jean's brand, she was co founder of Skims. She's very very well known in the girl boss industry.

01:32Speaker 3

The girl is actually such an apt description.

01:36Speaker 1

I love it.

01:37Speaker 2

So Vibi did this interview with her, and there's so many juicy things in it. If you haven't watched her documentary on Netflix, you now don't need to. You just need to listen to this interview because she pretty much covers everything she says in the documentary.

01:51Speaker 1

She talks about her kids.

01:54Speaker 2

You know, when you're watching a YouTube interview and it like has the most replay, it shows you the most replayed moments literally about her talking about her kids and the differences between parenting children versus parenting adults. We've talked about bestie Brooklyn Beckham and everything that's going on between him and his mom. Best friend of the show, best friend of the show. She also talked about the alleged affair. She talked about her company making money, losing money, making money again.

02:20Speaker 3

It's super unusual for Victoria to give a like a big deep dive interview as well, so I think.

02:26Speaker 2

Like girl Boss to girl Boss, felt like it was environment Yeah, but like to be fair, a lot of the stuff she talks about with her company and her both her fashion brand and beauty brand is like really really interesting where she talks about She covered it in the documentary as well, but I guess emm agreed asks those really like kind of personal business se questions where she mixes business questions with lifestyle questions. There is one part of the podcast so that I really want to discuss, yes, and it's the part that no one's really talking about. It's her day in the live.

03:01Speaker 1

It's the highlight of the podcast for me. I just love to know.

03:05Speaker 2

What celebrity millionaires and billionaires are doing every day so I can try to replicate it in my sad little life.

03:12Speaker 3

On weekends, because we have jobs.

03:16Speaker 1

Because we have real jobs, real jobs. Should I take you through it? Yes? Oh please please? Okay, she's almost the weekend. I need to know, we need to.

03:23Speaker 2

Know okay, So she says, we get up every morning, thank God, off to a strong style.

03:31Speaker 1

We get up every single morning. That's crazy.

03:34Speaker 2

We get up every morning and we make Harper breakfast. What I've noticed in this day in the live, she doesn't mention about her own eating habits, because we all know she eats steamed fish and veggies every single day. And I don't think she wants to keep marketing that because I don't think she really wants a fish dealer.

03:49Speaker 1

She doesn't need it, doesn't need, she doesn't need, doesn't need a fish finger.

03:53Speaker 2

So they both make Harper breakfast. She says, if he's not traveling, David does the school run, she goes down to the gym. When she says down to the gym, I'm assuming downstairs.

04:03Speaker 3

And the like, Yeah, I don't think she's like popping going down the road, you know, the local like fitness first, no, non equivalent.

04:09Speaker 2

She's going down to the gym, and she does. Wait for forty five minutes. Then David comes back home, joins her, and then they work out together for another hour.

04:21Speaker 1

Oh, I know they're that couple.

04:23Speaker 2

An hour and forty five minutes every single morning in the gym that's a lot, girl, it's a lot. But she loves doing things with him.

04:29Speaker 1

Yeah, but like there are other things to do. Okay.

04:32Speaker 2

Then she says she goes to the office, which is ten minutes away from where she lives.

04:36Speaker 1

So I'm assuming the same time stamped this, Like, do we know, like when is she rolling into the now?

04:41Speaker 3

She kind of like, so it could be midday because if she's got up, we don't know when she gets up, made Harper breakfast or you know, being present for the breakfast making.

04:51Speaker 1

I can't see. I feel like it's David hands on not.

04:53Speaker 2

I feel like she'll make Harper like a juice and David makes the breakfast.

04:57Speaker 1

We know he cooks. He loves to cook.

04:58Speaker 3

And then like she's an arrow and forty five in the gym, has to shower, get I'm sure like that, you.

05:04Speaker 1

Know, becoming becoming BB.

05:06Speaker 3

Yeah, the day is not a quick time office mid day probably yeah, probably.

05:12Speaker 2

So she says it's only ten minutes away, so I'm assuming, like the same estate.

05:17Speaker 1

I'm assuming it's.

05:18Speaker 2

Like it's just next door, next door, a second home. Yeah, she says she goes in five days a week. Oh, what do we feel about that? Well, she says, I have to be there. It's where like all the ideas get made. There's something about going in every day, and I'm like, this sounds like a CEO who had hybrid working conditions and I told everyone.

05:40Speaker 1

To come here, to come back.

05:41Speaker 3

It's like, yeah, VB at the front line of pushing people back in the office's like, I.

05:45Speaker 1

Love being here all the time. Don't shut up, Phoebe. It's because you get to roll in a mid day.

05:50Speaker 2

Yes, And she says she doesn't travel that much. She only ever goes to New York because beauty. Her beauty brands in New York and her fashion brands in between London and Paris must be nice.

06:00Speaker 3

She has a lot of social engagements too, Like, I don't what she's doing this interview.

06:06Speaker 1

Yeah, on the weekend, probably.

06:09Speaker 2

Probably she's in the office five days with family time, Okay, I guess.

06:13Speaker 1

So.

06:13Speaker 2

She also says at six pm, they are all at home and they all have dinner together, no phones, they just talk about their days.

06:22Speaker 1

I love that.

06:22Speaker 2

Yeah, And she says that we are quite a traditional family. Most people won't believe that, but they are.

06:28Speaker 1

I believe that, but I think that it's ordained, like.

06:34Speaker 3

I don't know if it's well, we actually know for a fact it's not every child's choice to be part of that environment. But I can imagine they have strict rules about dinner together and no phones and yeah, well.

06:46Speaker 2

After everything that happened with like Brooklyn Beckham, I'm sure they are like quite strict parents. She also talked about how her daughter Harper is launching a skincare brand because she says that like her daughter used all of these like different skin cares and ruined her skin, and she wanted to create a really nice collection of like clean skin care for young girls to use, like sure, And I was like sure. I mean, like I'm kids meant to get acne.

07:17Speaker 1

Yeah, it's inevitable. Yeah, but it's good for them.

07:19Speaker 2

It's good for them. But as you know, I didn't really listen to any of that stuff. I was just like, let me know the day in the life. Yea other day in the life, and now we got it. So if you want to know what to do for to be Victoria Beckham, an hour and forty five minutes in the gym every morning.

07:31Speaker 1

That is in your house. Yeah, that's in your house. You have to have the gym in your house, and if.

07:35Speaker 3

You do go to work, it's down the road ten minutes. Yeah, and you're not really doing a commute. You're certainly not on the train.

07:40Speaker 1

You're fine, you'll do it. It's probably in you. I would say it's pretty easy to be VB.

07:44Speaker 3

But I don't know about an hour and forty five minutes in the gym every morning.

07:47Speaker 1

I'll give it a go tomorrow, I'm definitely not. No, I stop at waking up every day. We've got that down. I've got it down. Only five more steps to go.

07:58Speaker 2

So the summer turned pretty You might have heard of it. Yeah, she'll have a little old show. They're currently in the production of making the movie, which is meant to act as like the actual actual series finale.

08:11Speaker 1

Yes, this is it.

08:12Speaker 2

Yes, and they're currently filming. Recently, the production company that's doing so, on my Return, Pretty Amazon.

08:19Speaker 1

Tweeted this.

08:20Speaker 2

They said, we love the excitement, but sharing locations and visiting sets disrupts filming and creates real safety concerns for our cast and crew. We're working hard to create a protective bubble to make the best movie possible. Please help us protect the magic of Cousins. That's the place where it's set, not cousins in general, until it's ready to be shared after that. Jenny Hahn, who wrote the book and is also a big writer of the movie and the show, she also posted when people come to set, film and share videos, it disrupts the work and makes it harder for actors to get into character and causes unnecessary anxiety for them.

08:57Speaker 1

We often have to stop.

08:58Speaker 2

Production to clear crowds from the show, which breaks the crew's focus. This story means a lot to me, and I know it means a lot to you too. I want to give you the best version of this movie. Please help protect our process, right.

09:11Speaker 3

Oh, Look, like fervent fandoms are a double edged sword because like they need that. That's why they have had a successful series. It's why they've got this movie coming out. They wouldn't have that without the fans. And the fans are so so so passionate, and like in my heart, I'm a fangirl, I always will be, and I have so much love for fangirls and boys.

09:32Speaker 1

Yeah, and I just think like.

09:34Speaker 3

The reason why, like they're showing up because they love it so much. They want to be part of that world. And it's like it's super endearing, but I do understand why. You know, it's not necessarily conducive to a good set.

09:47Speaker 2

I think they've also like this set and crew in particular, I've had such like bad luck when it comes to like fans being so intense about the show. Because when I first read this, I was kind of like, I was a bit like boohoo.

09:59Speaker 1

Like, yeah, everyone loves the show. Nice, just be nice.

10:03Speaker 2

But then I remembered when they were filming the series finale of the last season of the summer I turned pretty where Belly goes to Paris, and a lot of it was filmed in Paris. They had to fly Gavin over also who played Jeremiah, even though Jeremiah had no scenes in Paris, because everyone was just so intense and guessing who she would choose, Conrad or Jeremiah. And then around the same time, they were putting out Statesmen saying please stop bullying our cast.

10:29Speaker 1

They're not their characters.

10:31Speaker 2

So they've really been through a lot with their fan base. But it's the same exactly what you said. I feel like if I was like walking around the US or in Europe and I saw that they were filming close to me, I wouldn't want to go.

10:45Speaker 1

Of course, I would want to have a look see. Of course I would take a couple of picks.

10:48Speaker 3

I don't know if I would necessarily share them on social media because that's just not my bag.

10:52Speaker 1

But I would show my friends. Yeah, I'd sit here and talk about it. I would literally talk about it like.

11:00Speaker 3

Yeah, like it's it's even if it's not your absolute favorite show. Like obviously there are people that are going, oh my god, I want to see them up close. Let's plan a trip, and like, you know that is happening. I know that happened a bit on the set of people we meet on vacation.

11:14Speaker 1

Yeah, but the.

11:15Speaker 3

Interactions were actually all really lovely and all the reports were fine, and there wasn't kind of a messaging sent out that I'm aware of that was like, don't do this.

11:23Speaker 1

But you know, fandoms are why a.

11:26Speaker 3

Lot of these projects get off the ground in the first place, especially if they're you know, they're based on a book or whatever, so they come with an inbuilt fan base, and so with that comes like this experience.

11:38Speaker 2

And I do think it's changed a lot as technology has changed. Very true to it, Jenny Hahn said, in her statement that it really disrupts the cast and the crew. Like imagine thinking you're filming a show and now you have like a live studio audience who're just like reacting to everything. Plus with the fans filming stuff and posting it online, it just creates like this bigger, bigger thing where was before It used to be like, oh my god, I was in the background of parks and recreation, did you see me?

12:06Speaker 3

I think, like, I find it frustrating when there's too many clips shared on my like for you page. For you that's it where you're like, I don't want to see it, and it's like, oh, like the way I was tapping interested on stuff when The Devil Wears Prata, like stuff was all coming.

12:22Speaker 2

That literally happened to me when I watched the second movie because I watched it in cinemas after you guys went to the big premiere and I was seeing scenes that I'd already seen on my TikTok. It's annoying, right because everyone was just filming them, yeah.

12:34Speaker 1

Filming the way, walking on the streets and everything.

12:36Speaker 3

But then it's also funny as well because we saw so many stills and footage from that film of Anne Hathaway and Patrick Brammel on the Street. It was so gorgeous and so romantic, and then like that was totally missing from the film. So that's a funny experience as well, because we've all been primed and it's almost like part of the promo. And that's actually really interesting because some productions, yeah, are like if you can't beat them, join them, and they're using it as an opportunity for promo. So we've seen that a lot with like they've been filming and they've wrapped filming now on Sunrise on the Reaping, which is like the next installment of the Hunger Games franchise. It's like the cast were encouraged to show stuff on their own like social media, like let's do it first. Yeah, yeah, so they're like McKenna grace was like all over it, and you know, she's so great on social media anyway. But we got a lot of behind the scenes stuff from that production and the movie doesn't come out till November, but they like really leaned into it and like knew that they had this really really really passionate fan base and so they were like feeding people from the start.

13:41Speaker 1

That's really smart.

13:42Speaker 2

I have a feeling Marvel kind of did the same for the New Spider Man movie because Tom Holland does a lot of his own stunts where they got like fans filming him, like jumping over cars and stuff in New York, and they were sharing those own videos on their own socials. It also really interesting, like can work way that kind of helps the production company or give them ideas. Do you remember when the first stills of It Ends with Us came out? Oh, and we were seeing lively in like those costs, like the most horrendous wardrobe choices, the most mirandous wardrobe choices.

14:19Speaker 3

And then it was just like mass trolling of like this she wearing?

14:25Speaker 1

What is this?

14:25Speaker 2

And then we still saw some quiet questionable efforts in that movie, but like the ones that we saw on des Moir were like not in the movie at all, very similarly love story. What they had as like the dress for Carolyne Bassett, the first.

14:39Speaker 3

First glimpse at both of them, both of them, it was like, that's not how they looked like they were wearing like h and M pieces like it just it wasn't reflective.

14:48Speaker 1

And that's so important, particularly for that story.

14:50Speaker 3

Because they're like, firstly, yeah, he had a lot of money, he dressed really well. He was like stylish and gorgeous and you know, but she was known FIRS style. That was a trademark, so to miss that and even like it was right down to the hair, like that's not what Carolyn's hair looked like, and then they started to change. When the show dropped, it was like it had been absolutely coarse corrected and then they nailed it.

15:14Speaker 1

So it is interesting to see and it must be helpful for them.

15:17Speaker 2

They're getting that live feedback as a film versus when a trailer goes out and then they see all the.

15:22Speaker 3

Feed test audience at the end, so like you can't then go await the wardrobe sucks, Like you can't go and reshoot the entire thing. So that's really yeah, that's been really beneficial for them. I've noticed as well. The next series of AHS has been like teasing so much from behind the scenes they've been doing. So they've got the core cast of Coven back, which is really exciting because like in my be in many people's opinion, Coven was the best season three, right, it was season three, that's like the Witch season that was set in Your Orleans absolutely incredible and like the cast so so stellar. Now, if you remember Jessica Lang, who was in the first maybe I think.

16:04Speaker 1

Five seasons, yes, I think.

16:06Speaker 3

So Dan left and when I said no, I'm done, I'm never going back, right, she was like adamant, like no, no, no, no.

16:14Speaker 1

No, guess who's back?

16:15Speaker 5

Shut up?

16:16Speaker 3

Yes, And it was announced on set like they had her in costume and they were like playing into it and they've been dropping in on st same.

16:24Speaker 1

As Emma Roberts is back. And of course her famous line is, hey, bitch, I bet you thought you saw the last of me.

16:30Speaker 3

So that's how she promo that she was back, which was so cool.

16:34Speaker 1

Oh my god, I love so.

16:36Speaker 3

Fun and like, as a fan of that series, I was so excited to like, it's like playing along from home from the start.

16:42Speaker 1

It also extends their run. It gets people excited from the start. That's so true.

16:46Speaker 2

I was thinking of massive cult shows where everyone's been obsessed with and movies where they had to like go through extra lengths just to make sure nothing's link. And I found this really interesting. Fun facts, fun facts for the girls in Sex and the City. The last episode, Sarah Jessica Parker said, they filmed.

17:05Speaker 1

Three this is traditional tragicity not and just like that. Yeah, okay, great, I'm a purist. I'm glad that we're talking about it.

17:12Speaker 2

So three different ending. So the first ending that we all saw on our screens is she ends up with Big. The second fake ending that they filmed was her coming back to New York alone, and the third one can guess, oh, her ending up with Alexander Petrov's no. No, And she was like, yeah, it was so obvious because they were such bad end.

17:38Speaker 3

Look, the one of her coming back to New York alone would have been nice, would have been like it would proper. Yes, I actually think maybe if the show was set today that she re that's so true. Back then everyone wanted a happy ending and we weren't. You know, the show was already revolutionary enough.

17:54Speaker 1

The people weren't. Back then, everyone was like, what would you do with that? And then yes, we don't understand. I don't understand, but now we know, we now we know.

18:03Speaker 2

Kit Harrington on Game of Throw Yeah said that because all of their scenes were filmed in like rural areas, like in forests and like snowy mountains.

18:12Speaker 1

You're a fan and you tricked out that you know what you deserved exactly? Do you take that video? You tell us what's going on.

18:19Speaker 2

But they said they had paparazzi were coming camouflage with these big with these big lenses, filming them like walking up like because everything in Game of Thrones would have been a leak, because even just seeing two characters together and Game of Thrones would have been a huge league, even seeing a character still alive, a character still alive, like a character who's like never met another character together. So everything was like really high stakes. So he said that they all had to film a certain number of fake scenes, like proper fake scenes that they knew would never I.

18:51Speaker 1

Just think of the money that's being spent, so much.

18:53Speaker 2

Money on production on actors with Game of Thrones.

18:58Speaker 1

What a waste of money because any name, you know what.

19:07Speaker 3

Us, choose your own adventure, release them all and the people can decide how it should have ended.

19:12Speaker 1

Agree.

19:12Speaker 2

Okay, And this is my favorite one in Avengers end Game. So if you haven't watched Endgame, this is going to be a spoiler.

19:20Speaker 1

But come on, it's been years and years. I haven't watched it. I probably never will.

19:24Speaker 2

Okay, well this is not going to be a huge, huge spoiler, but there's a scene where there's a funeral. So, like one of the characters dies and they all go to a funeral. They told Tom Holland and Mark Ruffalo, who are the two cast members known for accidentally leaking stuff.

19:39Speaker 1

Yeah, Tom Holland.

19:41Speaker 2

Tom Holland has given everyone Avenger plots. Yeah, his whole life, that's all he does, Avengers plots. They told the two of them that it was a wedding scene, and then they came dressed thinking they were filming a wedding scene and didn't realize.

19:54Speaker 1

Until they were there that it was a funeral.

19:56Speaker 2

And they still didn't tell them until the movie was released. Oh it was so only Robert Downey Jr. Was the only actor in that whole franchise to get the full script?

20:08Speaker 3

Is that because he was dead, because he whispered into a microphone.

20:13Speaker 1

Because he was dead, because he was don't tell anyone.

20:15Speaker 2

Yeah, so he was the only one. No one else everyone knew like bits and pieces. But Tom Holland literally thought the funeral scene he was filming for did.

20:23Speaker 1

The rest of the cart not realized when he was not there Robert because he also came there. He had to come.

20:32Speaker 3

That's so funny because that's not so much keeping it a secret from the fans.

20:38Speaker 2

Secret from the car so they don't accidentally. So Tom Holland couldn't actually like leak anything because he didn't know.

20:44Speaker 3

I want to know what film or TV set you would cross international date lines to go on stalk if it.

20:51Speaker 2

Was still filming, or if they did like another season or like brought it back to our screens. The Mindy Project, Oh I would, Oh my god, I would honestly get because like her whole thing was like she was a gynocologist, and I would literally get a doctorate and pretend that I'm a guyano and just to get on that set and be like I'm here to advise. I'm here to like, yeah, I'm here to see Mindy Kayling, here for miss Kayling.

21:19Speaker 1

Here for miss Kayling.

21:20Speaker 2

I'm here to advise as the doctor on set. Oh my god, I'd love that.

21:24Speaker 1

What would be yours?

21:25Speaker 6

Oh?

21:25Speaker 1

Look, if I'm looking backwards, it would be fleaback. That's such a good one. I feel like it would be fairly easy as well.

21:32Speaker 3

Yeah, I think so too. That would be pretty easy. Also, I feel like you're like.

21:36Speaker 1

Phoebe bit chill.

21:37Speaker 2

You know, she'd be so be excited to see you, would be I think she'dn't brite you on As a writer, I think so too.

21:42Speaker 1

Yeah, oh my god. And like looking forwards, I reckon that they'll have a bit of travel with the Hated Rivalry set next time. Oh yeah, they are going to have trouble.

21:52Speaker 3

Because if the summer I turned pretty is pulling out the fans for those two boys, imagine.

21:57Speaker 1

Taking it up a notch the Heated rivalry.

21:59Speaker 2

Will you give them so many points? Just film fake scenes, but make sure you release those ones to that.

22:04Speaker 1

Secluded cabin is suddenly going to look like it's got.

22:07Speaker 2

A great It's like, can you just remove the Airbnb signed from the lawn?

22:11Speaker 1

That'd be great.

22:13Speaker 3

Okay, And we have to talk about something that is joked around the Spill team that I have a doctrine in which she's Quinn.

22:20Speaker 1

Are you across Quinn? The app Quinn?

22:23Speaker 4

Oh?

22:23Speaker 1

When you say.

22:24Speaker 2

App Quinn, I am across it. When you just say Quinn general, I'm like, I don't think I met her.

22:30Speaker 1

The app quick Quinn. Yes. It is like audio erotica It is an app.

22:35Speaker 3

I came across it back at my last job when I was at Murray Claire and I was interviewing Thomas Dougherty. So Thomas Doherty you might remember from the reboot of Gossip Girls, and he's more recently and tell me lies.

22:48Speaker 1

Yes, he has a very chiseled jaw. He has a very chiseled jaw.

22:52Speaker 3

And despite the accent that he often sports in his shows, he's not American.

22:57Speaker 1

He's Scottish. So he's got a beautiful, beauty Scottish face. I couldn't get any better. He's got it.

23:03Speaker 3

And so Quinn is an app like you subscribe to. There's audio erotica on there, done by contributors, creators like normal guys out there.

23:13Speaker 1

It's like a sexy, calm app. It is, Yes, it's calm, but instead of falling asleep, you're getting horny. You're getting horned. Yeah, yeah, I like it because I.

23:22Speaker 2

Heard that women are more likely to get off on like audible sound versus visual.

23:30Speaker 3

Well it would seem so, and like I think, you know, that's the problem. A lot of like visual porn is not made for women, it's made for men. So this app, which was actually created by Caroline Spiegel, And if that name sounds familiar, it's because she's the sister of Snapchat creator Evan.

23:45Speaker 1

Oh my gosh, she's like and they're both sibling.

23:49Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, Nepo's sibling. But she's like cooler chica and has created something that's like way better for the.

23:54Speaker 1

Girlies and fun sibling duo. Yeah, which also means that she's sister in law.

24:01Speaker 2

They should do a collab time Snapchat.

24:06Speaker 7

They made share a video.

24:07Speaker 6

I don't know.

24:09Speaker 1

So she's created this space where it is like about women's pleasure, much needed, much needed space where it's the focus. It's like female run, female staffed business. Predominantly most of the background creators on it are female. The voices are predominantly male. There are some female voices on it too, because it's like male for female and female for female. Correct.

24:31Speaker 3

Something that they started doing, as I mentioned with Thomas Doherty, was doing these things they call quinn originals with famous men narrating audio erotica.

24:42Speaker 1

I love that.

24:43Speaker 3

So Thomas Doherty came first, so we have to like thank him because he.

24:52Speaker 1

Led the way.

24:53Speaker 3

And what has followed has been like the most astounding lineup of top tier a War winning, and I'm like, when I say award winning, I mean like, like, these are guys that are like Emmy Golden Globe like nominade winners. So I'm going to run you through the stuff, right, Okay. So there's been Jesse Williams, who, of course like, oh my god, those eyes plays Jackson Avery in Ray's Anatomy speaking of Flea Bag, which we just did Andrew.

25:21Speaker 1

The actors at which is like normal accent, yeah, with his Irish accent. Tom blythe tom blythe Beautiful tom Bly God, so many that we already talked about today. There is is like promo for Sunrise on the Things.

25:36Speaker 3

Yeah, well he's not in that unfortunately, no, because it's set so yeah, so Ray Fines actually plays Snow in that one. Okay, Yeah, so it's it's a bit less sexy because tom blythe isn't in it, but Beautiful tom blythe Chris Brinney from the Summer Return pretty again another thing, yes, so okay, but also not only are they getting these men to do it, they're really explicit like they're not tame, right, They're not. So they're getting them to say yes to it. They're getting them to do it. There's sound effects and everything, and they're.

26:09Speaker 1

Getting them to do it at the exact.

26:11Speaker 3

Time that like their major project is. So when the summertime Pretty season three came out, that's when.

26:18Speaker 1

Chris's episode dropped. Wow, same as like okay, that's smart dropped. Like They're so amazing the way they're able to get them.

26:26Speaker 3

And as someone who like books talent, right, that's my job here, that's what I do for No Filter, I book the talent and when I worked in magazines, I booked the cover star talent.

26:36Speaker 1

Right.

26:36Speaker 3

It is hard, like there is like they have not much time to spare. It is hard to get someone like everyone's chasing them, especially when they're on for like those projects. So it is amazing to me how they've managed to get these guys to do this, which is like quite a hard sell I would imagine at the start. But I think that because of the lineup they've had, it's getting easier and easier because when you look at that roster, if you're like a talent manager and you look and you go, oh Andrew Scott, like wow, he's done this, like you know all of these like amazing actors, then you get more likely to show it and say hey, like.

27:11Speaker 1

Yeah, that's chat you.

27:12Speaker 2

And I also wonder because like Romanticy is like killing it in the genre game right now.

27:19Speaker 3

Funny you mention that because Jesse Williams, yeah, his one is themed around Romanticy still like a.

27:25Speaker 1

Very porn vie. I like that.

27:28Speaker 3

The other guys that have done it who we also just talked about was Connor Story and Hudson Williams stuff.

27:33Speaker 1

They did a series together. Of course they did. Of course they did, because that's.

27:36Speaker 3

What they can't do anything and they can yeah, they can never not do anything together. And there's plays into that same vibe as well.

27:42Speaker 2

Yeah, because it's like every like I mean, I'm a huge Romanticy reader, and like I know that a lot of production companies are thinking about taking these like books that everyone loves to the big screen. Like we know Michael B. Jordan's bought rights of a series that was like the whole room of him, like talking to Yarnha on the red carpet, everyone thinking she's going to be starring in one of his upcoming productions.

28:04Speaker 1

And I think this.

28:05Speaker 2

Is such a good opportunity for these men to like jump on this platform because you're obviously, if you're gonna listen, you're gonna visualize them.

28:13Speaker 1

Absolutely. It's not like an anonymous no, exactly what they like. And they all have like massive fan.

28:19Speaker 3

Bases and girls and the way that the Queen Girls tease the next celebrity on their TikTok and Instagram. You'll see like an arm or you'll.

28:26Speaker 1

See like I know that arm, well you do, because you're like I recognize those tattoos, I recognize those backsteps.

28:33Speaker 3

Well indeed, because the latest one to drop, the latest series was narrated by Sean Hattersey of The Pit.

28:42Speaker 1

Oh, he is such a good looking guy. He is such but everyone on the Pit is very good looking. Yeah, but especially those two sad, sad, sexy old doctors.

28:53Speaker 2

Right, oh my god, Okay, I'm really really you know now.

28:57Speaker 3

Okay, So when I hadn't watched The Pit because like, I don't.

29:00Speaker 1

Want to get around a medical drama. You know, you're very much like LB, like it's too real.

29:05Speaker 3

Yes, But then when I started seeing Sean hat to see on the Quinn's feed, I was like, he's really hot. And I've since watched The Pit now I love it, which is so I love that so they're very good, like Quinn seem very good at picking men who aren't just like super attractive and are doing really well in that.

29:21Speaker 1

Space, but also very like Zygeist. Yeah, like everyone's already talking about that. They absolutely nail it.

29:26Speaker 3

I'm going to give a shout out to the two girls at Quinn that run the social media, Brooke and Michayla.

29:32Speaker 1

You're doing guard's work. Girls.

29:33Speaker 3

Absolutely, they're like world class girls, girls what we want. They are both gorgeous, they're always on there, they're primoing, they're so funny. Yeah, you've got to get around on this great and they have really good taste in men because I can see like who they're tapping, you can you can see who that they picked.

29:52Speaker 1

But do you want to hear some? I definitely want to hear some? Okay, how do we want to do that? Shall I play you some and you can kind of guess who you think it is? Okay?

30:00Speaker 7

Yeah?

30:00Speaker 1

I like that, you like that? Okay, I'm nervous. Spillers.

30:05Speaker 2

If you're watching this on Apple podcasts or YouTube, close your eyes, don't look at me.

30:08Speaker 1

Do this.

30:11Speaker 5

I would take your clothes off until you were nothing, but you're underwear. I will get that sound out of you again, the one you made when you press your body into mind.

30:25Speaker 6

Oh, the pushing noises, breathless, desperate for some relief, and the pressure building inside you.

30:38Speaker 1

Oh my god, who do you think that is? Was that Chris Briny? No? Older? Older, much older?

30:47Speaker 3

Ah, I'm gonna read you the tags that were under the audio for that older man.

30:55Speaker 1

Forbidden romance, forbidden romance, mutual pining, sexting, nude picture, jealousy, personal backstory, consent, very important, it is important. M dom oh male dominant watching instructing you. Oh, it's my pit man. Sean had to see it is he sounds so young in.

31:18Speaker 3

That well they make so much feel like the breathy voice must be the breathiness.

31:22Speaker 1

I don't know. Maybe he just feels young because he's very exciting.

31:27Speaker 7

You like that?

31:28Speaker 1

All right, Let's try another one and say if you can guess who this is.

31:34Speaker 7

And you never even said a word about any of it to me. I thought you trusted me and we trusted each other, but you betrayed.

31:48Speaker 4

Me and no, no, I am Oh you're sorry.

32:01Speaker 7

Now you're sorry. Here, we've been sorry. We all that's your chance, prove it to me.

32:19Speaker 4

Beg. You heard me.

32:28Speaker 7

Beg.

32:33Speaker 4

Sorry isn't good enough?

32:36Speaker 7

Not for the anguish I should when you left me?

32:38Speaker 2

Oh my god, this could easily be Flee Back season three, Andrew, You're so right.

32:44Speaker 1

Yeah, So what's really funny is that not only do they like get these guys, and they get them when they're doing a major project. The story kind of weaves in a little instead of like Neil, he's saying, beg, beg, and he says it so well, and he says it so so well.

33:04Speaker 2

I wish I had like a transcript to reply to what are you saying? Because I was like, Oh, I didn't say sorry, but maybe I should have.

33:10Speaker 1

Maybe I should have.

33:11Speaker 3

Okay, and I'm going to play you one more Okay, this one I've chosen to show you just how explicit it can go.

33:20Speaker 1

Oh god, we're gonna have to beat that so much.

33:24Speaker 8

Do you want me to fill you up?

33:26Speaker 4

Darling?

33:28Speaker 1

And I will, but first the bed moving.

33:33Speaker 8

I need you to get me ready for you come here and Niel, whoa that?

33:41Speaker 1

And your leg's still working after that?

33:42Speaker 4

Darling?

33:44Speaker 8

Yeah, let me help you. You're so pretty like this so hazy from Climax on your knees for me. Do you see how hard do you make me? How much I love making you feel good? I need you to spit on it.

34:05Speaker 1

For me, please, my god. Someone British, right, someone British is a tom BLI. No, I don't know any British men. Okay, that one was Jamie Campbell Bauer. Oh my god, stranger things, Stranger things. That's guys, Oh my god. Just if you're like imagining, he is really hot in real life. He's really really beautiful in realize.

34:36Speaker 2

And this is actually a good strategy for him because a lot of people he played Bena's so good.

34:41Speaker 3

Yeah, he's very good at being scary that a lot of people just hated him. But he really just came out and this was actually he's done two series on Quicks.

34:49Speaker 1

He loves it, he loves it.

34:51Speaker 3

He's come back for more, and whenever he's asked about it in the interviews, he can't speak highly enough of it. He's like, my god, I love that it's a female led company. I love that it prioritizes women's pleasure. He's all over it, like dream man. I can talk about other days like he's love of my life. Right, So he's done two series of it, which is great news for all the fans of like ones that have been in the past thing like we want more, we want more. Jamie has like come back and done another one, so you never know what could happen. But the reason why I wanted to talk about this today is because this morning I woke up and did my morning scroll. I don't do it an hour and forty five minutes.

35:34Speaker 1

It's getting I scroll instare in TikTok instead.

35:37Speaker 3

And they're also very healthy habits, very healthy habits. They have started teasing their next Quinn original with a famous person.

35:49Speaker 1

Who is it. It would appear to be Sam Hewan from Outlander.

35:55Speaker 7

Stop.

35:56Speaker 1

They are so smart, good, are so blad, They so know what the girls want.

36:03Speaker 9

Oh, it's always hot men as well. They're always the hottest I know. And they also do you know what, they're all really good guys too. Yeah, there's no one on their rostar that you're like, oh, he's like there's complaints about him or there's something weird, Like they just they're good guys.

36:18Speaker 1

They do their background racent.

36:20Speaker 2

And it's also like this new wave of famous men and it's like I feel like it's a generational thing. Where like all the Hollywood men are kind of like aicked out by the like girl fan base because they.

36:30Speaker 1

Don't want to make movies for girls.

36:31Speaker 2

Yeshe was like, these men are leaning right in because we're the ones who are spending money to watch them exactly in our movies. Yeah, and they're like doing how I don't know, I feel like their career path, we're doing this is the absolute correct choice for them as well as like the Quinn girls, like I feel like it would have been so hard to develop like pretty much a pawn app for women, but also wanting it to be as like socially out there, like I feel like for women, firstly, no porn is ever made for women, and then for women.

37:02Speaker 1

To watch porn, we have to pretend we don't.

37:04Speaker 2

Yeah, and like with Quinn, it's like giving us a safe space to like share these videos with friends, to show them off and be like, yes, this is exactly what we want.

37:13Speaker 1

Well, that is so that it's so true.

37:15Speaker 3

And you know where one of the best places on the internet is the comments section, Yeah, Quinn's TikTok and Instagram, particularly TikTok because people are just funnier on there anyway.

37:25Speaker 1

But like I have this.

37:26Speaker 3

Theory that I know where all the hardcore directioners have grown up and gone, because no fan base was funnier, hornier, smarter the directions.

37:38Speaker 1

Now they're all Quin listeners.

37:40Speaker 2

They're all Queen listeners and probably Quinn writers. Yeah, Quinn, they're writing them scripts.

37:44Speaker 3

Yeah, but you know what they do tap really great writers to write these stories.

37:48Speaker 1

Well, it's like a proper like story. It's not like you're suddenly in the middle of it. No, no, no, It's it's like a beginning middle story.

37:58Speaker 3

So Jamie's story is like kind of a bit Draco Hermione coded.

38:02Speaker 1

It's one of those like Drake really good at.

38:04Speaker 3

Finding like the zeitgeisty things that the girlies are reading that's on platforms like AO three, which is like where all the.

38:10Speaker 1

Fan fit goes.

38:11Speaker 3

Speaking of I discovered on x there is so much AO three smart stories about the Pit.

38:19Speaker 1

It hasn't ever been going that long.

38:21Speaker 3

But the girls are at home like girls away, right, So I created the most like full on stories about the Pit. Okay, I need to know who you want to see next on Quinn.

38:31Speaker 1

Let me think who would be great? Can I tell you mine?

38:34Speaker 5

Yeah?

38:34Speaker 1

Can you tell me you tell me yours.

38:35Speaker 2

Well, I think I was thinking of this while we were just listening to those Donald Glover as childish Gambino. He was meant to come to send me to do a concert in like I think, I want to say, twenty eighteen nineteen, and he broke his foot and he couldn't perform, and I had bought VIP tickets for me and my sister and I wasn't even working then, and I sent him along Instagram message. I was disappointed that he didn't come.

39:02Speaker 1

And he didn't make it up to you by doing a Quinn. Yeah, he can make it up to me doing Quinn.

39:06Speaker 2

But I think, like I want my story to be him replying to me and going, okay, I'll do a private concept for you at my house.

39:13Speaker 1

Oh my god, I love this and that can be our whole queen story.

39:16Speaker 6

But actually went.

39:17Speaker 1

Out because you've put yourself in the narrative. I don't know what.

39:20Speaker 3

You're not wrong to do it, because that is actually the way that the stories are written. Like when you listen to them in the story, they're the partner in the story.

39:29Speaker 1

I like that.

39:30Speaker 3

Yeah, okay, I do have mine. Okay, it's Joseph Morgan.

39:35Speaker 1

It's Joseph.

39:36Speaker 3

He played Klaus in The Vampire Diaries and the Originals.

39:40Speaker 1

I need to look this up. I need to look this he makes look it up. He was like the really bad one.

39:45Speaker 3

He was like a really bad He's so sexy. He also has not aged, so I think he might.

39:50Speaker 1

Actually he's an English actor. He is an English actor.

39:54Speaker 3

He was so sexy as Klaus. I'd love him to just like can he as a vampire?

40:00Speaker 1

Yeah? Well a vampire.

40:01Speaker 3

He was a vampire werewolf highbrid because he was like way too powerful.

40:05Speaker 1

Oh, the most powerful and the bad guy.

40:07Speaker 3

Yeah, the most powerful and the bad guy. And I think he'd nail it, but I want him to do it as Klaus.

40:13Speaker 1

Yes, he would nail it. Yeah, canail You amen to that. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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I said it.

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That's the first time I got to say it out loud. She explained why it took so long with such clarity. She said it was never the right time. First she was too young and forced to be perfect at all times. Then came the period where people saw women coming out as bisexual as a fad, and she was terrified of being accused of jumping on a bandwagon. She also shared that she's dated women beginning from a very young age with a constant presence of paparazzi. Meant she never felt she could fully emotionally invest because here she did fall in love. That wasn't something that she wanted to ever have to hide. Well, he's to live in your truth, babe, Get a girl next time. My queen Kesha has made an interesting admission about a delightful piece of jewelry she's been choosing to wear around her neck. I mean, we look at the met gala where seeing the rock wearing a five point five million dollar watch. Half a million dollars were the pearls and other ladies and Kesha's guard, Nah, I've got something better at home, my plus center.

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A quick update on the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni situation, because there's been a slight development overnight. Yesterday we reported that two head settled with no money changing hands and no apology from Baldoni. Now he's a lawyer. Brian Friedman has spoken to the press and the words he used were very deliberate. Of course, he said, I can't talk about the term of the settlement, but what I can tell you is that he is ecstatic. That both Jamie and Justin are ecstatic at the result of this and the settlement itself. They are very pleased with how this has ended up. Friedman also made the point that by the time settlement discussions began, Baldoni himself was no longer even a party to the case. Ten of the thirteen claims had been thrown out, and the remaining claims were against Wayfair Studios and its PR team, not Baldoni personally. He said, you're looking at this settlement as a winner or a loss. I think he just looks at it as a logical ending to a case is already out of Frankly, stick around. A TV and movie update awaits on the other side, from White Lotus to Hocus Pokis and Harry Potter. Welcome back to Morning to You, where I've got a stack of news about upcoming movies and TV shows, and we'll kick things off with the White Lotus as we're getting more and more information about what specifically caused the difference of opinions which led to Helena Bonham Carter quitting the show. According to Variety, the created differences came down to Mike White demanding a oysterous performance from her role of a washed up start chasing a Hollywood comeback bottom. Carter reportedly didn't want to deliver that what specifically was asked that she felt she couldn't give. I had many many questions they may never get answered. The door remains open for a future season. Apparently we live in hope. HBO has officially renewed it's Harry Potter series for season two before season one has even aired, which tells me one thing as Gond be good. Season one at Philosopher's Stone, Premier's Christmas Day twenty twenty six, I hope my family aren't expecting me to spend any time with them that day. Season two will adapt Chamber of Secrets and begins filming this autumn. John Brown, a writer from Succession, has been promoted to co showrunner for season two, joining current show run at Francesca Gardner. His quote on the news seems you're never too old to get your invitation to hog Quarts. I'm already sold obviously. And finally, hocus Pogus IIE is officially in early development at Disney Live Action Studios at all three Sanders Sisters, Sanders Sisters, Back, Vet Middler, Sarah, Desic Parker, and Kakinademia all confirmed to reprise their roles, and unlike Hocus Pocos two, which went straight to streaming, there are plans for a theatrical release this time and I will be in the cinema in full witch costume. I love this movie so much. Practical Magic two and Hocus Pocos three, What a time to be Witchie. And that, my Sweet Angels, is all I've got time for today. I hope you enjoyed your short hit up entertainment news for your Thursday morning. I'll be back on Monday with more of the good stuff, and in the meantime, make sure you check back in around three pm for the spill Digtive and Mass London. Your host executive producer is Minitius Warren and we're back next week.

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Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fects. My name is manishaus Warren, producer of The Spell, but filling in today, and I'm joined by Pena provis And today We've got so much to get into. We're unpacking the blue dot phenomenon that's kind of destroying the music industry. Plus one of Hollywood's cutest couples has some exciting news, and we're bringing you on a bit of a walk down memory lane, a bit of a history lesson on how they met and fell in love. But first, a new trailer has dropped for a movie that I really couldn't be more excited about, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. Tina, Are you excited about the Odyssey?

00:36Speaker 3

I'm so excited because the cast looks insane and it just looks like it's going to be the biggest blockbuster.

00:43Speaker 2

Tell me where you remember my wife? As sorry, n.

00:51Speaker 1

Want more?

00:53Speaker 2

Help me go?

00:55Speaker 1

What do you do if he came back here and find all these shoots in his house.

00:59Speaker 2

Were plying you didn't even know?

01:02Speaker 1

Like I'm snaggling past looking after your wife, and so.

01:08Speaker 2

Do you see my dad is coming out when I watched it, I got a similar vibe to watching Dune, which I know you hadn't watched until recently.

01:20Speaker 1

I watched it now.

01:21Speaker 2

Yes, everyone, roll Across said, so, this is the first full length trailer that we've gotten the huge Christopher Nolan adaptation that's dropping in July. And it's based on the Odyssey, which is a classic Greek poem by Homer. It's one of the oldest surviving works of literature and one of the sort of foundational texts of Western literature. But there's been different variations along the way, like there's a retelling that's been done by Stephen Fry and now this big movie is coming out in July. How much do you know about the plot of the Odyssey. I don't know a lot about the plot. Okay, well I learned a lot about it today the trailer. I was like, I feel like I get a picture of what it is. So it's the story of Ody, who is the hero of this plot, and he is a legendary king of Ithaca and a war hero in Greek mythology, and he's trying to get back home after the Trojan War.

02:11Speaker 1

He's sort of like the original road Trip protagonist back home.

02:15Speaker 2

He's in a race against time to get home to his family, and the reason for that is basically because while he was away, a lot of new suitors have popped up who are trying to get with his wife, who's played by Anne Hathaway.

02:27Speaker 1

I love how you're describing it. Yeah, like, here's at a road troop. Everyone's trying to get with his wife. Think about it, Tina, It's a lot like LOI.

02:33Speaker 2

Yeah, the crazy way there's all these men, she's got to couple up with someone. She's got to get home before she couples up with someone else. And watching the trailer, it just really dawned on me how epic this is going to be, because, as you said, the cast is amazing.

02:46Speaker 1

It's that typical Christopher.

02:47Speaker 2

Nolan film where he loves to put a whole bunch of high profile people, even in the supporting roles, to really bring those to life.

02:54Speaker 1

Who are you most excited about in the cast? Liner Browert Patterson. Yeah, I'm just obsessed with him.

02:59Speaker 3

I feel like he's making such a comeback and I love seeing him back on our screens. And I'm excited for like the press run that they'll do because I just love him in all the interviews that he's been doing over the past year.

03:09Speaker 1

He also got a lot of airtime in the trailer.

03:12Speaker 3

Yeah, which I'm surprised because his character isn't the key lead, so I was surprised to see so.

03:17Speaker 1

Much of him in it. Yeah.

03:18Speaker 2

So he plays Antons, who's one of the main suitors who is competing for Penelope's affections, who's played by Anne Hathaway, And Yeah, I.

03:27Speaker 1

Just I thought I felt like I saw more of him than Matt Day.

03:29Speaker 3

Same same when I was kind of reading over like what had come out on the news, I was surprised, like and then getting a little bit of the gist of the plot, I actually thought.

03:37Speaker 1

Rob was going to be the lead.

03:39Speaker 2

Also, what to think of the kind of accent he was doing because he was giving Edward Collin.

03:43Speaker 1

Do you think it was a bit of a nix? I was like, is it a marriage? Do we just see him like that forever? He's just always going to be Edward Collin.

03:49Speaker 2

He can't break out of it. Zendaya is also in it. She plays Athena, but she wasn't in the trailer, but she's going to play the goddess of Wisdom and War who protects and guides Matt Damon on his journey home. I think the main thing I thought watching the trailer was they captured the urgency and the high stakes really well, like I was stressed. I was like, is he going to get back? Is he going to get back to his wife and son? They're going to be okay. So Tom Holland plays Telemachus, who is the son of the main character who's played by Matt Damon. So it'll be quite cute to see Tom Holland and Zendea both in this film.

04:20Speaker 1

I mean, what do you think of his name?

04:22Speaker 2

I think it sounds like a techno festival, but I just can't imagine someone saying that conversationally.

04:28Speaker 1

No, what's his nickname going to be? Telly? Kelly? Yeah, Kelly.

04:32Speaker 2

But he is also quite under threat in this because all the suitors who are going after his mum trying to get Penelope's affections just sort of kind of want him out of the picture. They want to clean slate to get in there enough. So of course the half of haters can't be stopped. So there's a scene of Anne Hathaway in the trailer and everyone's talking about this one second where she's doing really great acting. She's in the fields of it, but her facial expressions are rather which people are attributing to work being done. So there's just been a lot of common treas no one in Hollywood gets work done. I know, everyone's so unfairly mean to her. There's all these comments saying, you know, her eyebrows and her forehead aren't moving. They didn't have, you know, botox in twelve hundred BCE, so she's getting a little bit of flack for that. But it does look like she's going to be amazing in this movie, and she's having a huge year. So the movie is out July seventeenth. It's going to be a huge theatrical event. And if you want to watch the trailer, it looks visually stunning. So if you want to watch the full thing, there's a link to that in our show notes.

05:28Speaker 1

And yeah, just a few months to go.

05:30Speaker 3

So The Pussycat Dolls are the latest musical app to be struck down by Blue Dot Fever. Now I hadn't heard about this before, but it's basically like when you go on a ticket Master website and you have a look at like the seating map and all of the blue dots are all of the unsold seats.

05:46Speaker 1

So they've actually just had to cancel their tour.

05:49Speaker 3

They've come out with a statement saying that they've had to have a really honest look at the North American run and because of that, they've made the heartbreaking decision to cancel all the tour dates. Now, when I saw they announce their tour from Australia, I was excited for I was like, what a throwback.

06:03Speaker 1

I was excited too.

06:04Speaker 2

I just associate all their songs with you know when I grow up. Yes, like I'm eight years old and I'm like shaking my ass to this song that I don't appropriate.

06:14Speaker 3

Yeah, So it's really disappointing to hear that it has been called off. But they're not the only musical act in the past couple of weeks that have had to pause or you know, cancel their shows. So this follows post Malone. He's had to shift the dates to his tour. Megan Trainer has also canceled, and Zane Now, they all have various reasons for why they've had to cancel their top At the end of the day, they weren't really sold out, and the Pussycat Dolls are the only ones who've kind of acknowledged this.

06:42Speaker 1

In their statements.

06:43Speaker 3

But it really shows a little bit of a shift in how these concerts are coming to life and where people are choosing to spend their money. And it just seems like it's no longer viable to have these big stadium shows because these aren't like small acts.

06:56Speaker 2

These are like big headliners. They should be selling out these stadiums. Yeah, and it's interesting to see which of them acknowledge that as the reason that they're canceling and which don't, because I guess it is a bit of taking a piece of humble pie to be like, we're calling it off because we couldn't fill the seeds.

07:11Speaker 3

I've really making up some other reasons. And in China was like, I've got to look after my kid. I'm like, that's not a new thing. Yeah, you already had.

07:17Speaker 1

You the kid was there. You already had your kid.

07:19Speaker 2

And didn't post Malone say he needed to release more music.

07:22Speaker 1

He needs taking time.

07:23Speaker 3

See he's only shifted his by like three weeks. But I'm assuming that leg of the tour. I was just like, wasn't doing that well, so, I guess it's an interesting look at people's willingness when it comes to investing in these big shows and festivals and things like that, alongside these like surging ticket prices, like how many acts can you go to in one year? So your favorite artist is coming that year, are you going to be able to go to three shows?

07:48Speaker 1

Probably? Not, Like the cost of tickets is so expensive now. Yeah, And I don't know.

07:52Speaker 2

If you've sort of found this in your group chats and in your circles that it used to be someone's coming, when are we going? That was more the vibe, whereas I think now people are really realpliers.

08:02Speaker 1

It wants to go.

08:05Speaker 2

Yeah, but you just kind of now have to save that for when you know your top few favorite artists come, and you know, most people are only probably going to one or two a year totally.

08:16Speaker 3

And I guess in Australia we get so many less acts coming over because of the supply and demand and like the physical logistics to make it all the way over here, it just isn't viable to do those big stadium shows. So for us, when acts do come over, we're met with those really high costs. And again, yeah, for the group chat. No, not everybody can go.

08:36Speaker 1

You're just picturing.

08:37Speaker 2

When they're sitting around planning out their tour dates, they must be like do we do Australia?

08:40Speaker 1

Like it's just so far away?

08:42Speaker 2

And when you think about something like the Ears tour or those huge sets that they then have to transport everywhere, that's a huge cost for them.

08:49Speaker 3

So in Australia it really impacts how artists are touring locally. For a lot of those major international tours, you know, they are higher logistic costs involved, and you know when you come out of a concert you see those trucks outside they're packing up the stage. They're getting everything from production into those trucks and then going from Sydney to Melbourne and there's a huge cost involved. So they're often putting a lot of attention into the places that they're going to be able to quickly roll out when they're in Australia. So you can understand if you were going to add you know, an Adelaide and a Perth leg on top of Sydney and Melbourne, you would be driving, you'd be on the road for days. So it's not like in the States we can kind of pack up and like, do your shows. Australia has so much ground to cover, so it does make sense that, you know, they do focus their time on a Sydney or a Melbourne, but it's such a shame because so many other states and so many people are missing out.

09:42Speaker 2

I know, and the other states do really get up in arms about it, Like if you speak to someone from Perple, Britain during.

09:48Speaker 1

The ears to it, oh my god, because they have to factor in so much more to be able to come to something like that. Yeah, totally.

09:53Speaker 3

And there obviously are exceptions the rule of food fighters who have historically loved coming to Australia. You know, they've done one noto shows in Tasmania, they've done Geelong.

10:02Speaker 1

Before, but that is like not the noll.

10:04Speaker 2

I know. I was living in Melbourne when they did the Geelong tour and I still remember everyone being like, oh, I'm going to the few Fighters this weekend hour and a half drive there.

10:11Speaker 1

I was like what, Yeah, where are they doing it? And there are obviously acts.

10:15Speaker 3

That come over, like Bad Bunny came over and he did two Sydney shows and they were obviously massive sellout shows, but because he was only in Sydney. You've obviously got people flying in from all over the country just in order to be there and see him. So it's kind of the people at the top. You know, you have Taylor Swift, people are fighting for those tickets, like there are like hundreds of thousands of people waiting in a queue to buy those tickets when she announces a tour. But there's like that middle ground where your acts, like the Pussycat Dolls are just like not able to get it across the line anymore.

10:45Speaker 2

I know. It is interesting to think about because when we were initially chatting about them, we were both like, Oh, it's so exciting that they're coming here. And then you were like, would you actually get a ticket to go and see the pussy Cat Dolls, And.

10:55Speaker 1

I was like, I don't know.

10:56Speaker 2

I do like some of their old songs, but also the reunion isn't all of the area original members as well?

11:01Speaker 1

I believe it's three of the original band, and isn't there like twenty four of them? Yeah? True, they can't get them all. Yeah, it goes on tour.

11:08Speaker 3

I don't know if I would actually be putting money into seeing the Pussycat Dolls.

11:11Speaker 2

I know, it is sort of the girl math of you know, do I put it into this year's budget even though it's so far away. And I think the problem is these days, the cost of living is so high, so you're really focusing what you can spend on a few key performers that maybe you're really passionate about. And we sort of saw the knock on effect of someone like Adele coming to Australia a while ago, and how people are such big fans of hers that they spent so much money didn't they on going to their concerts.

11:36Speaker 1

Which left less for other smaller artists coming. Yeah.

11:38Speaker 3

So she last toured Australia in twenty seventeen, and she notoriously hates flying. So I think a lot of people knew like, if we're going to see Adele, this is going to be when we see her. She played in Perth, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne. She sold over six hundred thousand tickets, so it doesn't really free up much like disposable income for other artists who may be touring in that time. Yeah, you've really either got to be in that a group category where your fans are so hardcore but also so widespread, like you have such wide appeal or it's really hard to make a dent at the moment.

12:08Speaker 2

And I think we see that in a lot of like Australian festivals as well, like we've lost so many we lost falls festivals, splendor in the Grass and like I think you and I were having a conversation earlier about like that's how we found so many artists.

12:19Speaker 1

Like smaller artists, and.

12:20Speaker 3

That's where you would first like get a taste of them before they get big enough.

12:24Speaker 1

To sell their own stadium shows.

12:25Speaker 2

Yes, I remember seeing Billie Eilish at twenty eighteen.

12:29Speaker 1

She's crazy, even the move which is really now. She headlined groove in Them.

12:33Speaker 2

I believe it was twenty nineteen, which doesn't even feel that long ago, and it is. I know, it really is a bad reality, but it's crazy to think now there are so few of those platforms that people can make that real headway in terms of gathering fans and getting momentum going that it is hard to imagine someone now going from a festival stage two sold out stadium tours, even though I'm sure it will happen on occasion.

12:55Speaker 3

That actually reminds me of when I saw Taylor Swift and she had Sabrina Carpter as her supporting artists. Now, at this time, I actually didn't know a whole lot about Saprina Carpenter and actually rained so much on the night we went, so we didn't see the opening act and I didn't actually think twice about it because I hadn't really known much about her. And then Taylor actually ended up bringing her out later and they did a song together. It was really cute, and then lo and behold six months later, she's one of the biggest names in the music industry.

13:22Speaker 1

That's one of the few.

13:22Speaker 2

Inns we have left, Like one of the biggest artists in a world has to give a formal introduction from world Yeah, to put you on the map.

13:29Speaker 1

It's hard to see the impact on the music industry.

13:31Speaker 3

And I am such a big advocate for like live music and gigs, like I'm still out here shelling.

13:36Speaker 1

Out my Dallas. So I just think it'd be really.

13:39Speaker 3

Great if you know, it's hard out here and maybe you don't have money for like those bigger ticket acts, but there are so many more smaller artists, you know in Australia who were touring and it's live music.

13:49Speaker 1

Let's get out there and go see them.

13:51Speaker 2

Guys, and you can save money pre at home and then you know, have a really good night out of it. It's so much expensive than going to the stadium two a half the time. Ok So earlier this week there were some exciting baby news from one of the biggest stars. Cameron Diaz Her and Benji Madden announced on Instagram that they've welcomed their third child, Nortus.

14:10Speaker 1

Madden thoughts on the name, I don't know about that one.

14:14Speaker 2

It feels a little ship themes like nautical, doesn't it it does they already have they should be in the Odyssey.

14:21Speaker 1

Maybe this is how they're out there.

14:22Speaker 2

So they already have a six year old daughter called Radix and a two year old son called Cardinal.

14:28Speaker 1

So oh, I think there's not even really a theme. No, I think the theme is out there. Maybe. Well they're nailing that.

14:36Speaker 2

So in their Instagram caption they said, well, actually, Benji post it and said Cameron and I are happy, excited and feeling so blessed. Blessed is in capitals to announce the birth of our third child, Naughtous Madden. Welcome to the world, son and Cameron is fifty three years old, and she's spoken before about sort of her long journey to motherhood and feeling super lucky to be able to become a mum later in life. So I think the blessed in capital letters just look a little bit of a nod to that. But it did make me go on a bit of a journey down memory lane because I don't know about you, but I didn't actually know a lot about Cameron and met you.

15:11Speaker 1

No, So I'm ready for this deep dive. I'm ready to learn.

15:13Speaker 2

Yeah, it turns out they had quite a cute little meet you, which I'm going to tell you all about. But before Cameron met Benji, she had a little bit of a type when it came to who she was dating. So she definitely loved her Hollywood bad boys and pop stars.

15:28Speaker 1

So fair So do you think can why not? I mean, we'd all love it if the option was presented to us.

15:34Speaker 2

So from nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety eight, she dated Matt Dillon. They were co stars together in There Something About Mary, and apparently they broke up.

15:43Speaker 1

Because of long distance. He was in New York, she.

15:45Speaker 2

Was in La Then a couple years later, she was with Jared Leto for about four years. There was a rumored engagement, and then that didn't work out, apparently because you know, both very busy careers, scheduling conflicts.

15:57Speaker 1

He's got to focus on thirty seconds commas. He's working on himself. He's working on himself. You know, we all we've all heard that light.

16:05Speaker 2

Then of course she was with Justin Timberlake as well in the early two thousands. That was really high profile and it ended amid cheating rumors from a Playboy bunny.

16:14Speaker 1

So oh, a bit of a scandal there.

16:16Speaker 2

There was a former Playboy model called Zoe Gregory and she was out there claiming her and Justin Timberlake had a fling while he was dating Cameron and that they quote unquote fooled around at the Playboy mansion.

16:26Speaker 1

Interesting, maybe it was the world tour. This is going to ruin the door.

16:31Speaker 2

So she had this real pattern of high profile actors and musicians and these quite intense public relationships that then didn't work out, which I think makes it all the sweeter when it does work out right in the end. So getting to her and Benji, they met in May twenty fourteen at Well I think inflicting reports of a dinner party or a house party. But it was a gathering of sorts that Cameron was hosting, and they met via Nicole Ritchie, who is Benji's sister in law. She's married to his twin, Joel Madden, and so they were invited to this party, and I guess he was invited by association. They actually hadn't met before, despite running in quite stiless me cute, I know, I love her, meet cute, And what Cameron has said about it is she said, well, firstly, speaking about whether or not Nicole Ritchie specifically set them up, she said, I met them first, them being Nicole and Joel, and they didn't set us up, but we were in the same room because of them, and then we found each other. But Nicole Ritchie is taking credit for setting them up, because she told Andy Cohen on Watch What Happens Live this was right after they met. I'm going to take responsibility for everything I approve of anything that's going to make Benji happy.

17:35Speaker 3

She's probably working behind the scenes to make it happen. Cameron didn't even know.

17:39Speaker 2

I know. And also, if I'm even in the room where a couple meets and then they hit it off.

17:43Speaker 1

I'm taking responsibility for this as you should. Yeah, if I made that invite happen.

17:47Speaker 2

So in terms of first impressions, Cameron said she recalled her first reaction to seeing Benji at the party as he's hot and I was surprised that they hadn't cross paths sooner, and basically very much like you know you're the one.

17:58Speaker 1

They obviously hit it off the beginning. We're all about each other.

18:02Speaker 2

They started dating in secret over that summer in twenty fourteen, and then they went public after these yacht vacation photos were leaked, and that's how everyone found out about it. I mean that that's how you want people to find out, right, Yeah on a yacht, Like imagine all your other exes. You're like, well, I'm on a yacht now with this guy.

18:17Speaker 1

So yeah.

18:17Speaker 2

Snucky and one of Benji's friends sort of spoke to the press and was like, Benji always falls in love easily, but this time it's for real. They make each other incredibly happy.

18:27Speaker 1

Which I thought.

18:28Speaker 2

I think if I was getting my friend to the press, I don't know, if he signed off with this, I'd be like, could you drop the always falls in love easily.

18:34Speaker 1

Bit I'd feel like, why did you add that? Who says that? Who is the source? Like this one's real. They're like, we're not friends anymore.

18:39Speaker 2

Yeah. So later that year, Benji spoke to people about it and he confirmed the relationship and he talked about how much being with Cameron was impacting his music and he was feeling so driven and they had this whole whirlwind romance throughout that year, and then after just seven months they got engaged.

18:53Speaker 1

My god, that's fuss well they say, like when you're older. Yeah, that's so fair. I love that for them.

18:59Speaker 2

You and then planned the wedding insanely fast. So they got engaged December twenty fourteen and then had the wedding January twenty fifteen.

19:07Speaker 1

Oh my god, that's a quick turnaround for a wedding. I know, I don't know how they pulled it together.

19:10Speaker 2

I mean they did throw it at they had some help, probably probably, yeah, probably.

19:14Speaker 1

A forty plant. Yeah.

19:16Speaker 2

So they had a very intimate wedding, was a backyard wedding at their house in Beverly Hills. I mean, I imagine it's not a little shack. It's probably yeah, I don't think Sotly probably got some space and Drew Barrymore was there in Gwyneth Paltrow and they got married in this giant backyard tent with all these beautiful flowers and candles, and then all sounded amazing.

19:34Speaker 1

But I think what's really lovely about them.

19:36Speaker 2

Is obviously they've been married now for about eleven years, but they've said really cute things about each other along the way. I don't know if you've ever seen any of the quotes where they talk about each other.

19:45Speaker 1

What do they say? So I hope they're saying nice things about each other. They're just airing what they find out.

19:51Speaker 2

So in twenty seventeen, so this is like a few years after Cameron gave this interview where she sort of explained why she waited until she was forty two.

19:58Speaker 1

To get married, and I thought, what a big she said? That was cute?

20:00Speaker 2

Was I think it's a matter of I just hadn't met my husband. I had boyfriends before, and there's a really really distinct difference between husbands and boyfriends. What do you think about, Teach, she's real for that. She gives me hope because I'm probably gonna be single time like forty, you're like, I'm currently seeing the boyfriends. I need to see the husband. Bring me the husband. And then She is also gushed about him on a few podcasts, even recently, like you Know twenty twenty one onwards, saying when I saw him from the get go, I knew he was special.

20:26Speaker 1

I was like, you're the guy, You're the hidden gem in my life.

20:28Speaker 2

Oh.

20:29Speaker 3

I love like share this insight into it because you just remember, like they're real people and there's like this real love between them.

20:35Speaker 2

I know. And as much as we all talk about, oh, it's so nice when you just meet someone and it's a slow burn, I think it's really cute when they.

20:41Speaker 1

Actually are saying it's love at first sight.

20:43Speaker 3

I know. And I feel like we hear so much about like the breakups and like the scandal, so it is nice to like hear like the success stories.

20:49Speaker 1

Worked out as aspirational.

20:51Speaker 2

She's also talked a lot about how Benji was the first person to really teach her to value herself and before that she just felt like she was always seeking validation in her partners. That she said, Oh my god, imagine being Cameron Diaz and you're seeking validation.

21:03Speaker 1

Oh, my god.

21:04Speaker 2

This is exactly how I felt when we covered on the podcast how Meryl Streep talked about, you know, feeling it'scure with roles and things like that, and hearing Cameron Diaz saying like, you know, not valuing herself.

21:13Speaker 3

You're like, so everyone's the second. Oh my god, I know, I cannot imagine that. I'm like, surely you're like the most confident person in the world.

21:19Speaker 1

I know you would think. I mean, you're a Charlie's Angel. I think some other cute fun things about them. Is they actually got I don't know.

21:25Speaker 2

Actually, I don't know if this is cutter if I disapprove of this, but I guess in their situation, it's cute. They got matching tattoos on their wedding day. Oh I don't mind that.

21:32Speaker 1

You don't mind that.

21:33Speaker 2

I mean, you're already starting a legally binding contract.

21:36Speaker 1

Is it a fun tattoo?

21:37Speaker 2

Cameron got Benji's name and Hebrew on her finger, and he got the same. I don't know if name I would like like maybe like something fun. I'd like something I could repurpose if it didn't work out, Like, oh, I got this turtle, not because it's our favorite animal. But I don't know if like turtle wedding day works, but like maybe we can workshop that with your wedding.

21:53Speaker 1

Just get apart. That can apply no matter what happens.

21:56Speaker 2

I think it's also cute how they're both talking about how they ran in the same celebrities circles for years, but they never crossed paths until Nicole Richie brought Benji to that event.

22:05Speaker 1

So I'm surprised by that. I know Cameron was too.

22:08Speaker 2

She said, how come I never saw this guy before.

22:10Speaker 1

It's kind of one of those things.

22:11Speaker 2

Where it feels like the universe waits till you're ready. Because if she met him when she was with Justin Timberlay, exactly why would we be Maybe she was manifested, is exactly ready. They're both really private as well, so they don't put out any photos of their kids. They've actually sued paparazzi before over releasing pics of Radix. I keep wanting to say Radish, but it's Radis, he says.

22:34Speaker 1

Child.

22:35Speaker 2

And after they sort of got together and settled down and had a family, Cameron went on quite a career pause. So in twenty eighteen, she quit acting to focus on the family.

22:44Speaker 1

She was quite open about it.

22:46Speaker 2

She said she was retiring, taking a step back, focusing on her marriage and kids, and she actually launched a wine brand.

22:51Speaker 1

In that time.

22:51Speaker 2

In twenty twenty, she released Avaline, her wine brand. Apparently he was very supportive in that process. And then now, obviously she has had a bit of a return to acting because in the life last couple of years she was in the Netflix film Back to Action with Jamie Fox that came out last year, and now she's filming a romantic comedy directed by Stephen Merchant, which we don't know.

23:08Speaker 1

The title of You I Love. That should be great, I know, So she's getting back into the swing of things.

23:13Speaker 2

But I think for that period had, you know, a lot of focus on family because they had their first kid twenty nineteen, and then they've now got a two year old and now the new baby. So yeah, that is a little bit of a you know, walk down memory lane history lesson on. I think one of Hollywood's cutest couples, but weirdly under the radar, like I knew nothing about their whole love story.

23:29Speaker 1

Maybe I was just living under a rock. So cute. I hope that kind of love finds me.

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Good morning, angels. I hope you woke up looking better than Kylie Jenno with one bleached eyebrow, because that is today's opening story, and I promise it gets better from Thereage London, and we have a jam packed one today. We've got the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni Stargut reaching a stunning conclusion. Rebel Wilson has welcomed her second daughter, the Pussycat Dolls who canceled their tour, and the phrase blue dot fever is about to become part of your vocabulary. And there's a very funny update on the Taylor Swift wedding situation. So let's pour the tea. First up, for the met gala, Kylie bleached her eyebrows to go with the custom Chaparrelli gown a new course with phone nipples and a heavily embellished pearl covered train that took eleven thousand hours of embroidery. The look was stunning. Eyebrows, however, did not survive the return journey. Kylie filmed herself on Instagram stories with one bleached ibra and one that had been died back, but kind of came out an orange brown, absolutely losing it with laughter. I'm okay, look cool, brows are royal?
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What is this? This looks horrible?
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You left her with no hair?
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Horrible. I still can't get over the eleven thousand hours of embroidery for one night. Fashion is truly unhinged people. Next time, Rebel Wilson and her wife Ramona have welcomed their second daughter, and she's named Rose Estelle. Rebel posted proud to announce the birth of our second daughter, Rose Astelle. What a gorgeous blessing to have another little girl now on May fourth, It's now four of us. Cute Ramona and I are feeling so incredibly grateful and blessed to go our family. The next day, Rebel share the sweet photo of big sister Royce holding baby Rose for the first time, captioning it Little Angels, The Stick Around, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni have reached a settlement and the details are genuinely surprising. The Poissycat Dolls have counseled their tour, and the music industry has a new illness called blue Dot fever. Plus Aaron Morris received a very suspicious wedding invite. Welcome back to your morning tea. After more than a year of Hollywood's most public legal battle, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni have settled two weeks before the trial was set to begin. Both sides released a joint statement saying the film is a source of pride to all of us and acknowledges that concerns raised by miss Lively deserved to be heard. The terms were not disclosed, but Tamz's reported that Blake received no money in the settlement. Last month, a judged throughout ten of Lively's thirteen claims, including all sexual harassment claims, leaving only breach of contract and retaliation. Legal experts say both sides face significant risk going to trial. No apology from Baldoni, no money for Blake, no trial, just to roumid sixty million dollars in legal fees. Yausers, There's a fascinating phenomenon gripping the live music industry right now called Blue Dot Fever, and it's affecting some of the biggest artists in the world, including Megan Trainer, Post Malone, and now the Pussycat Dolls. On the Ticketmaster w app unsold tickets show up as blue dots on a seating chart. Blue dot fever is when an artist anounces a tour, the blue dots never really go away and they eventually cancel and it's spreading. The newly from Pussycat Dolls had to cancel their entire US run, living only the European dates untouched. The way I see it, the class of living crisis is real. Concert ticket prices are extraordinary. People are making hard choices. The era of guaranteed demand for nostalgia tours is clearly over, and finally, country star Marion Morris has revealed that she received what appeared to be a fake text message inviting her to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's wedding. It all went down like this, I'm serious in the States, I gotta ask, do you have any tea on the wedding? No, I mean person to ask. Come on.
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I got this like spam text a couple of weeks ago and it was like You're invited to Taylor and Travis's wedding. And I was like this, I'm blocking this because like there's no way they would send an invitation through, Like it's a text like this I mean why not. I was like, how how is this going to my number? The actual?
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Yeah? What if I just crashed it? Yeah, jim your phone, I'll tell you how to get it back. Just get it back to watch out World of spam text.
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Oh my gosh. Yeah, but I was like, how do they have my number? This is weird meeting, it's real?
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You know what that got sent to us?
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I would have clicked the link.
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I would end up.
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Yeah, the virus, Yeah, I got the viruses.
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Yeah, Marin. If it turns out that text was true and real and you deleted it, I'm so sorry. And also that would be hilarious. And that, my darlings. Is it for today's episode of Morning Tea. I have been your host and producer Ice London. Executive producer is Mini shit Is Warren. The girls will be in your feeds from three pm today with your daily deep dive and in the meantime. You know how to find us on Instagram, TikTok, check us a follow and stay up to date. Okay to tomorrow. Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigor people of the Oronation We pay our respects to their elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brednick, and I'm Free Player, executive producer of Mamma MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and former fashion magazine editor. Yes, you're always my partner in crime for these red carpet episodes in dcause we both have hot takes. They're usually very different we do. We often have very like opposing ideas. Yes, what was best, what was worse? And we've been avoiding each other in the office all day. Yeah, we had to yell at each other get away from me because we didn't want to. We didn't want to have a donation. Don't even look at it. You can look at me. We didn't want to have the conversation away from the mic. So if you are listening to this, it means you probably listen to our Met Gala little teaser that dropped in the feed earlier today, because we're dropping this episode a little bit later. Because with the Met car there's so many dresses and there's so many interviews, and then celebrities release their own like look books and updates afterwards. So we needed to bring the people boots on the ground. Journalism with all the looks. So that's why we're coming to you today with our special slightly later episode. Now before we jump into the best, worst, most disastrous, most surprising, most sentimental looks of the day, it's a broad, broad range of looks we're getting into. If you want to see the looks, if you want to actually have the photos in front of you, you can go and listen to us on Apple Podcasts where we're on videos, so you can watch us delightful, watch my face get veteran, veteran rhetoric as I get more excited and overwhelmed. Or you can go and look at all the photos in a gallery on Instagram. So just search the Spill podcast on Instagram. The gallery will be clearly labeled in order of how we're speaking about the looks, so you can follow along and see them all there. Okay, without further ad you, well, our first look is kind of a shared one because we want to just start things off with a bang, and that is Miss Beyonce, who came to the Met Gala for the first time. It was it ten years in over a decade. It's just like so exciting to see her back on the Met Gala. Red carpet, which of course is not red. Let's let's start off by saying, give there a carpet. I love the carpet non red. Okay, this might be the only thing. This might be the thing weiss best dressed to the night is the carpet. I loved it. I did a little moss between Yeah. Yeah, they looked like it was like fake but beautifully done. Yeah, very artistic. Really, and let's bring this to the forefront as well. The theme for this U's met Gala is about fashion being art Yes, so costume costume. So what we get to see is not only like the setting, which is why it's not just your standard red carpet being very artistic and very creative. Is the clothes then on it? And I thought, yeah, the way that it looked this time, it was kind of like it's like a beigey sort of cobblestony, Yes, cobblestony, with like the moss between it. And they had all the beautiful kind of draping again coming down the ceiling. It was creamy it was, and greens and purple it was. It was beautiful, which I thought was such a beautiful backdrop to put all the clothes on as well. Yeah, because sometimes the stairs look lovely, but once you get a dress on them, they cancel each other out. Yeah, like remember the pink here the camp Yeah nine much like it was gorgeous, but then some outfits just didn't work. Yeah, no, no, And that's why celebs are releasing their own They're having their own photo shoots first and releasing them because they're like, I can't trust the lighting and any red carpet, but especially the met gala. Can't trust the lighting, can't trust the background. So okay, and that's the thing. As everyone took their photo, that was the bit where the steps before they became green, they were in that beautiful cream color, which is not a nice backdrop for all the dresses. So we had Beyonce rock up has it been there in ten years? And she was wearing a diamond encrusted dress that looked like a skeleton, so it had like the rib cage and like the pelvis and her hands were skeleton kind of a vibe. And I guess that's to show like the body in its like most like basic form a skeleton, a skeleton. And that's what part of the theme was, was showing the body as well, and the body being kind of the basis for art, so as you say, skeleton is the body stripped back to its most basic form. But I mean, of course, because it's Beyonce. It's jewel encrusted and it's incredible. And then she wore this long feathered cake. Yeah, incredible, that dreaped and then the head piece as well. I mean it's Beyonce, She's always going to bring the dru Yeah. Some people are like, oh, she could have lost the head piece and it's like, no, no, the head piece and it was Olivia Rousting, wasn't it. He used to be from Balmain, who's like she's worked with him before. Yes, she's won a lot of Almaine over the years, so yeah, it wasn't surprising that that's who dressed it. I felt, yes, but I think she looked glorious and I loved that she showed up with her gorgeous, gorgeous best accessory, her daughter. Yes, it was a night for daughters. Yes, Nicole kim And was toting one of her daughters down the red carpet and then Beyonce did it. But Blue Ivy, her oldest daughter who's fourteen now, and I think she actually looked like appropriately dressed for fourteen year olds. I do too. There was a lot anund the office. It's about you know, her being on the on the carpet anyway, and at this event, and you know, these experiences that these really young girls are getting to have. But I thought she I agree, I thought she looked age appropriate and so so gorgeousful so much like her mother. Yeah, that was such a moment because the Beyonce floated up and everyone gass and then Blue Ivy floated behind her, and then they had their moment, and they had their moment together, and then jay Z ran up and and then he was in there and but then they obviously I actually feel like as a family they practiced in the mirror at home because when they got into their first formation for their first photo, they just all I did. Yeah, they just instantly got into the right places and held a pose. And I was like, well, you guys have been practicing that the family living room. Yeah, and I appreciate that level of And Beyonce is a co chair this year. What's interesting is the timing of Beyonces arrived. Yes, if you'll notice all the other co chairs arrived at the top of the top of the day, which is kind of usually, which is how it goes, because they meant to greet people as they come in. Yes, that's part of it. They meant to greet people as they come in. Beyonce has ascended above that level where she is not a greeter. No, they had She's up stairs and being like, hik so much for coming to our party, thanks for coming for a little shin dig Like, no, Beyonce is not doing that. Her arrival was such a moment. It really was. Okay, who else did you go? Because we get week spend an hour on everyone fifty looks to get through. Okay, I'm going to start strut with my favorite of the whole night, and you won't be surprised by this, I don't think. Okay. My favorite was Oh, Sabrina Carpenter. Yes, Sabrina was in Dior. She's been wearing a lot of Dior lately. Jonathan Anderson, who was at Louerva, is now in the House of Dior and doing the most incredible job. Because there has been like quite a shuffle in the last couple of years in the design houses, where like there were designers in certain houses that felt a little bit mislike. Now, I'm not saying he was amazing at Louerva. He did a great job there, but I do feel like what he is doing at Dior is what should be happening at Dior. So I was very excited for this year's met Gala because I feel like after years of kind of the wrong creative directors being in the houses that I felt maybe were they weren't aligned to, or that there were people in those roles that maybe weren't doing the best job interesting for those houses, the dust is settled, and I feel like this is the first time in a few years where the right designers are in the right house the levels. It's like the right house Game of Thrones. It has been a bit of a fashion game of Thrones in the last couple of years. So anyway, I was excited to see I thought Sabrina would wear deal because she's been wearing so much of it lately and she is somewhat like aligned with the house as well. But I was very excited to see what she's wearing now. The gown she's wearing is made of film strips, and the film is of course Sabrina, but the Audrey Hetburn Sabrina. Yes, here's an upsetting fact about me is that Sabrina is one of my favorite movies. But you like the well do you know what? You know what? Okay, but that is usually trees in. It's because obviously, if anyone hasn't seen the Audrey Hepburn movie Sabrina, watch it. It's incredible. But I personally prefer the Julia ormand Harrison Ford Sabrina, which I know is film blasting, you know what, it might be film blasphemy, but I think there's a place for both of them. But it's a place they're both exquisite felt exactly. But I just when I saw the detailing that it was film stills from Sabrina, I nearly lost my mind. That's the most beautiful touch. It's so beautiful. And I love that Sabrina went as Sabrina, but as Sabrina but in this like majorly artistic iteration. Also, and because I am such a swifty fan girl, I'm gonna just say that she's gone a bit show girl this year. And of course she features on Little Maybe with the head Piece a little not to her mentor, but also she features on Life of a show the track title from the album. So look, I'm not saying, oh, you think it's like, well, look, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. It was like a nice little thing. But you're saying it's like shot fired. No no, no, God, no, no, no, we start no Brina and Taylor fe on. I'm not saying that Sabrina's outfit is for like an Easter egg, that this is coming with Taylor's sweet I'm not saying that. But I'm not not saying that the video clips. I'm just you know, last year, Sabrina on the met Gala carpet looked very pop star. This year she looks very showgirl. That's all I'm saying. That's all you're saying. That's all I'm saying. And you can, guys can read into that what you will, what you will. All Right. My next one, it's not a favorite, but it's just one we must discuss. Well, it's kind of a favorite because I appreciate how much this woman takes this seriously, puts her life in the lives of other people on the line, and how much she sticks to the theme. And that is Miss Kimberly Noel Kardashian did you not like it? No? Okay, well let me tell you a backstory maybe then you will. So she worked with British pop artist Alan Jones and Patrick Whittaker on this piece. So it's a golden breastplate for anyone who needs is listening to this just as a podcast, no judgment. It's a golden breastplate. But it has like the high silhouette neck and the cone bra, so we've got a real pointing nipple happening, very sculpted abs and a belly button. And it was craft did from a model in the sixties, which I thought was interesting because she said at first they were thinking like, would they do a mold of her body, which out of everyone, she kind of could have gotten away with because her body is like her cooling cart, and that's why she once walked the red carpet with her face covered because you can just see her body, you know it's her. But they decided to get the body model of a sixties model, and then it was this is the only disappointing thing is that the original look was going to be a full on sculptured suit all the way down, and so they've taken like the legs and the bottom half off and have done that detachable skirt, which is fine, but I feel like it does kind of take away from I would have loved to see her walk down in a fully sculptured suit, like a very old school robotic kind of like end of the World's sci fi vibes. So that's my problem with Oh, that's your problem. That is actually that is actually my problem with it. I think from the waist up absolutely incredible, Yes, And I just wish that it had committed the whole way. It's like she got no I mean I think no, I she didn't get nervous Kim Cush, she doesn't get nervous about I actually wanted her to make more. I think she's one of the few people who because she is always dressed so high fashion, she is not afraid to not be like the prettiest on the night, but be the most headline making And I usually like that about it exactly, and particularly with the met Gala, She's not. There are years where she does not prioritize pretty or sexy. She prioritizes creating a moment. Yeah. I wouldn't even necessarily say she prioritizes the fashion. Yeah, because I feel like it's more moment led with her exactly. Actually it's a headline interest in fashion, and we like that. But that's what she does, and she does it so well. I don't think she did it this year. Yeah, I appreciate the thought behind it. If you go to her Instagram, she's done a huge behind the scenes, like almost her own magazine photo editorial spread to explain the look. And when you see all that and you read it, it makes more sense. But I do wish maybe she'd just gone with the full look, but also the top part, the bones and the bra and everything was finished in autobody shop. So some men who work on cars hameadat and I love that. And I hope they know it's at the met Gala. They would have loved that. Okay, who's your next person? I am going to talk about Tana Taylor? Oh my god? Yes, I had her on my list, Yes, of course. Okay, so there we go. I feel like we're actually aligned on quite a few. Yeah. Yeah, spen too early to tell you now. I love it. It's like crazy. My first thought was she looked like she was like high fashion escapee from Whoville. Yeah, but it's incredible. It's like for anyone listening, of course, it's like silver fringing that is from the hood right down to a train and like it's long sleeve. She was really feeling it. She was swishing, swishing, swishing, and she was taking the shots. I'm glad you brought that up because obviously we had the met gala up in the office here and there's about fifty people gathered around it watching every second. And when she was swishing her head around, Everyone's like, oh, no, she can't see she's getting annoyed by it. And I was like, no, no, guys, she's showing the move No, she's showing the movement. And she's doing a photos wanting to get photos that show it from like every angle. And when something is artistic in the way that it moves, you've got to really show it on the carpet, which she did. So this was tom Ford incredible. I just felt like it was such a moment. It was also I felt a bit of a fresh air after a lot of different other looks at after her big Red Carpet run when she was OSCAR nominated. Yeah, same material on her oscars. I mean, to the naked eye, the same sort of material on the train of her Oscars dress. But it's almost like her Oscars dress has morphed into this like beast and is now running free. That's why I thought when I saw it. Okay, moving on to someone who a lot of people are slamming her and putting her on worst dress. Look, because I'm not so much defending her. I just want to explain. And it's Margot Robbie in Chanel. Did you hate this? No? I don't hate it, Okayel, No, I would never know. No, I would never speak about my close personal fo Margo Robbie that way. I know you guys are pals. We are pals. I mean, for anyone listening, We're not actually pals. I've just hung out with her like two or three times. She would not remember me, but I refer to her as my close personal sofa, so I you know she. I mean, look, Margo can't not look stunning. She's so beautiful. The dress is very pretty. I feel like that would have been very pretty on any other red car, But I'm just not excited by it today. Hear the thing about her? I think also, I love every like everyone just like I mean, I know you've get it more thought than that. But everyone I'm seeing on in like Instagram and TikTok scrolling past this dress and going oh ugly and moving on. I was like, this took the Chanelle team seven hundred and sixty one hours to make, and everyone's just like, yuck, we hate it. But it's almost like a champagne gold strapless gown with this beautiful detail at the back. She also hasn't been to the Met Gala since twenty twenty three, so she doesn't go every year. But what I loved about this is that everyone's always expecting Margo Robbie to go really over the top of the Met Gala. But first and foremost, she is a businesswoman. I would say she's a businesswoman. She's a movie star girl right down the end, and she turns on the fashion in a huge way for her red carpets because one, she's the star of the show, but also she's marketing the movie. I mean, no one does red carpet promotion better than exactly no one does it better than her. And when she's at the Met Gala, she's not there to promote anything. She's not even promoting herself because she doesn't need to. She turns it on for a red carpet movie premiere because that's from usually from her production company, so that money is coming back to her in a good way. Like that's what she's there for. When she's at the met Gala, she's often just there to look pretty or and like comfortable as well, like she never wears. You never hear of Margot Robbie starving herself for six days wearing a corset lined with spikes, like you know, to help her up the stairs. No one ever helps her up the stairs. No one's looking at that saying, oh my gosh, how did she go to the bathroom there? Yeah, she's put loosing fancy, she said time. She's often, I think getting paid by the house, getting paid by the brand to be an ambassador, so she's still making money while she's there. But so many times I've seen these women, like on the red carpet the Met Gala, like feathers trains crazy, which we love, but like not being able to move, not being able to go to the bathroom for ten hours, having to be carried up the stairs, and in the background of the met Gala, you just always see Margot Robbie bound up the stairs looking happy. You know she's going straight to get a champagne because she can, because she's not there to make a spectacle of herself, because she does that for her movies. And I actually think that's a lovely way to be. And if I actually had a choice, I think I would. I would roll like that the way you don't want to go relaxed Australian. Yeah, it's like, you know, the nights that are about me, It's about me, the met Gala, it's about me. So you feel like off the back of the very like stylized Wuthering Heights rum. She just wanted to do something that was just be She was like, Chanell, you tell me what you want me to wear and pay me that feet and I will put that dress on and as long as I can move and it's all approved by Anna and whoever, I don't care, it's not my I think. Her vibe was like, it's none of my it's none of my business what I wear. And I love that for her. Okay, who else do you have? You know? What is it? Time? Can I talk? Oh my god? Can I tell you about the boys? Yeah? Yeah, please please talk about it, please hear it for the book. Okay, I am going to go you know what, I'm gonna surprise you and go straight for somber. Oh okay, okay in Valentino, like I does like that person, this detail, It is stunning. I would love to wear that. It is just so glorious. It's because Share was there, but he looks more share, more share than Share. Oh my god, I wish Share had worn this. Well, they could have done a double act. I would have actually been so here for that. So it's like pants on the waist with full beating around the waistband, longline beating down the full length of the pants. Then we've got like a silk and laced blouse that's high neck, and then the most incredible cape that just brings it all together with just the crystals just flowing down it. This is Valentino my favorite because I love Alessandro Magula formerly of Gucci. Now he is responsible for my favorite meal look of all time, which was in eighteen was The Heavenly Bodies the Catholic Church. Oh yes, yes, okay, so a beautiful confusing time for the beautiful confusing time for everyone. But the best met Gala oh, absolute, literally ever and my favorite was Lama del Rey, Jared Leto and Alessandra mccallay, Yes, showing up together in that like ensemble. I mean, it was just incredible. I don't think anyone has ever reached that since I don't think anyone will, but so I always look forward to what you know, and Alessandro is going to bring to the Red Carpet with ary designs and I was really excited to see that this year on Somber. I thought it looked exquisite. Okay, we love the boys, we love the boys they put Efor in. All Right, while we're talking about boys, let's talk about our hated rivalry. Gorgeous boys, Connor Story and Hudson Williams, because both of them rocked up to the Red Carpet this year. Now, I love that they're there, the meteoric rise of these guys and the show is just being so incredible that they're everywhere. They were all over Award season, they are now on the met Gala carpet. But were you disappointed they didn't actually walk down together? I mean, would you think it would have been too much? No? I mean they're not they're not promoing their show right now, they could have just done the girls and the people saying, you know what, they will, We'll get something out of the day. There'll be something, so you know, they they know where their breast. But that's what I just saw, everyone just like hunting through the images and through the videos desperate to find like a moment that they were together, or they'll get one and it might be it might be at the after party, but we'll get one, don't you worry. So Hudson was in Balenciaga and it was like super super super detailed. Have you had a good look at it? Let me let me. I'm gonna be so honest that I was just looking at their faces. Yeah, show me the outfit. You're like, whatever, what are they? Those men to high had Okay, and that's totally that's totally fine, and I had I had a good crack at that too. But Hudson's eye maker was much talked about in the office. It was kind of a big Euphoria esque with the with the eye makeup, but it looks Euphoria Season one back when the I makeup was fantastic. So in like a powder blue suit and there's like black detailing beaded and then this kind of cap skirt s He's got a train, a train. He's got a train. He took a leaf out of Beyonce's book and he's like, I'm having a train. He's like, I'm having a train. I want my moment on the steps. And then Connor in Saint Laurent, this incredible blouse showing off those guns. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Are insane, and he's got almost me. I feel like I had that top when I was like fifteen. It's like a Poka dot hole today, but my arms didn't look like that. These arms look like they're the Hulk. And it's got it's got a lot. He's got a train as well. So I'm just gonna show see a Poka dot comes all the way down. Now. He actually came with a blazer on over the top, and he knows what we want. He did half reveal. He did a red carpet reveal of the arms. I mean, I guess the blouse, but like whatever of the arms. Now he's wearing Saint Laurent. A lot of people are in Saint Laurent on the red carpet because Anthony Vacarello is one of the coachairs who is the designer for Saint Laurent. So we saw like Zoe Kravitz, Charlie XCX, like there's a lot on the carpet who were rocking in that designer. We love Okay, okay, rapid fire through a few more because guys, there's so many good looks. I just want to give a shout out to Doughci who wore custom Mark Jacobs and she looked gorgeous in the eggplant color, this like headpiece, kind of like rising up to the sky. But my favorite detail about her is that she didn't want to my heels, so she got her feet painted in a beautiful Hannah design, wore anklets, and then tiptoed barefoot down the entire carpet, and then tiptoed up the red carpet. See, and that is move And that is a level of calf strength that I cannot imagine is hard. Tiptoeing is hard, tipto the whole way. If there was a flat footed moment from that girl, I did not see it. Surely she's flat footed inside or maybe she's wearing a shoe inside. What are the rules around being barefoot? And I just findin Anna winter going, Oh you've got a shoe ear right? Well, you know what at Chanelle Cruz's show last week, the girls were walking down the carpet barefoot. Fine, it's it's it's like on trend to be bare foot. Yeah, and then you've got like men like Quentin Tarantino who just like, let me put that in my movies. He's taking screenshop. Okay. Kendall Jenner in Gap Studio by Zach Posen. This is an interesting one. Can She and Kylie Jenna looked a little matching. They both had almost that kind of like nude look at the top, but Kendall's is modeled off a Gap T shirt and then she's got like a little fake nipple poking out and then just kind of cream beige draping of the dress. So Kendall and Kylie also especially Kendall, liked to make a headline with their outfits. Do you think this was as a headline inducing you're like, num, No, I don't actually think none of them are getting a headline this year. No, that it wasn't. Actually reason why I believe that they're invited is because they do get those headlines, and I think they were all really underwhelming this year. I mean, she's like, she looks pretty, she is pretty, She's a very gorgeous girl. But I'm just not excited by that is Yeah. I think the Genas and Kardashians, they just have the most enormous cultural currency, so I feel like that's why they'll always be invited. But I almost maybe liked Kylie's play on a little bit better. I know they're completely different designs, but she had the kind of almost like a nude top and then it was like the body undress of the skirt forward. Yeah, I preferred Kylie's as well. I thought she was more of a moment and worked with the theme yes better. What I did think was interesting about Kylie was that her boyfriend did not attend No you know where he was, Yes, And that's so fair, you know why, because Timothy Shallon May doesn't go to anything where he's not the star. That's his thing. The like the Kardashians and the Genders very much like they the significance of the moment, their red carpet looks, and I know they all work so intently with their designers and like they really care about the fashion side of it. Timothy Charalamayne cares about being seen as a movie star, which is so fair enough, but he doesn't really go to events, especially where he is now, like he has previously when he was trying to build up his capital and build up his absolutely in for me. But at the moment he's in now, he's going to go to a next game anything, and he's not a nominating else missing. Who so Kravitz's boyfriend slash fiance. Yeah, but Harry Style again everyone that they're going to walk together. No, I never thought they were, as you know, long time Harry Styles fan. I didn't expect to see him there either, And I think if he was going, we would have heard about it in advance, it would have been named, you know. But he's also about to start his world tour, so he's busy, and he famously gets tired. That's why he's making everyone the tour come to him. Right. Oh, yeah, he's not city hobby. No, he's not city hop he's too tired to go to Metguala. Yeah for a week. Yeah, he's reserving his energy. Okay, I need to quickly talk about a boy before we get into my favorite boy of the night, Bad buddy, is that I'm sorry, Is that not the weirdly hottest thing you've ever seen? Hey? Yeah, but I don't know whether I'm just like going through a real old man moment at the moment because I've been like really into the guys. So I'm really you haven't watched well, you haven't watched the Pit. No, because I'm I can't do enough. I can only watch grays Anatomy, just the lift, kissing scene something else. There's hardly any medical, like compared to the Pit, there's hardly any medical and graz Now No, that's why I like it. I can understand why you're avoiding it. But yeah, look, because I'm having such an old man moment at the moment, Like, yeah, I was excited to see a bit of great on the car so bad Bunny is wearing Zara and just you can just imagine her like running on them proves all the looks, you know what. I think what will be really interesting is Zara probably advertising in Vogue at the moment, to be honest, so she had to let she had to let someone wear it. Yeah, exactly. And obviously Zara was a big part of his Super Bowl halftime show, but Bad Bunny has aged himself here because I guess one of the part of the exhibition theme is different bodies, so like bodies are different size as shapes and ages. But he's the only one that I saw who really took the aging thing and ran with it. He's wearing prosthetics to make him look maybe seventy or eighty. It's really interesting because like everyone in Hollywood tries to look so much younger than they are. Everyone is on this like strive to look as young as possible, and like, no judgment because I'm I'm the same, but but I love that he went the opposite. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is men can do that because men tend to be like, oh, a silver fox when they get older, like he's he's sixty, Like let him dated twenty five year old and win an oscar because he's just getting started at sixty. But the thing he's in his next act exactly, he's just more, you know, kind of well weather worn. Now, whereas women it's like you're thirty, get out of here. So there's that side of it. But I've decided just to let the feminism leave my body for this because Bad Bunny looks so hot, and also he does you can did it? Yeah? I mean that's not terrible. Yeah, some people don't age well, yeah, I know the weakd I would have thought that he would have looked to the mirror and actually, wait, this isn't working there. I don't look back. But he looks hot and also bad bunny hot? Is it? Maybe you can because you can feel his rippling muscles and sexuality try trying to break free of the old man. And I appreciate a funny guy. And he was in character all the way up the stairs and he was walking with the walking cane and he was interviewed in character. I love it. I think it's no I agree, And I think it's really hard for a man to have a moment on me because it's hard for them, because it's not for them. And how do you compete when Beyonce rocks up with the train, Yeah, like still jammed in the car door while she's halfway up the stairs exactly, But he did it. He has something that everyone's talking about. Oh man, everywhere, we love it. Okay, who else you got? Okay? Well, speaking of making a massive moment, Yeah, we need to talk about Madonna. Okay, now, this is not all of Madonna's look. I couldn't fit it on the eye on the way. I think I've got a wide shot. We can do it, can we? We can do a jewel Hold up for this because I'm missing seven accessories, which is in the form of seven stunning women. I've been calling them Madonna and the Pips, but that's not even accurate because there are way too many girls for it to be Pips. There we go, see, Oh my god, I loved this so much, and seven people holding out this beautiful train and I love that because they're so strict on the Metgala red carpet, And that's why selbs look so scared a lot of the time, because usually if you're famous enough to be at the met Gala, then you're famous enough to travel with an entourage, and you normally never walk a red carpet or even walk into a room without your manager and your publicist and your assistant. But no one gets to bring their team down the red carpet because the guest list is so tight, So the sleds have to stand by themselves in a line. It's the first time they're ever alone in their lives. And then they have to walk the red carpet by themselves, and most of them, because they're socially awkward, are terrified. So I love that no one gets a plus one, but Madonna gets seven plus seven seven servants slash maidens. It was giving a bit handmaiden but okay, so she's in Saint Laurent. It is the head piece. I love. The head piece is incredible. It's a ship. It kind of looks like. Helped me out here because I've never seen it, but I've been on the ride a lot at Disneyland. Yeah, the Pirates, the Pirates, the Caribbean, the what's the what's the one like the one that the captain Jacksbury is his ship? Yeah, I could not tell you that. I thought it looks like more like the ship from Noserati. That's where my head goes. Oh yeah, okay, well that too. Well it's a it's a bad baddie pirate. Yeah, we're we're not good on the pirate lingo. But like, it's this incredible head piece. Off it is draight, like long, long, long pieces of gray fabric that these women are all holding out and then she comes down in this like black dress. She's holding it looks like kind of like a trumpet the piece that she's holding. And what I did love seeing as well was she walked up the stairs, glided up the stairs with these women helping her along up the stairs. But then about fifteen minutes later you see the seven women. They all came running down to leave, so they kind of like fairies fleeing like a sort of like midnight fairy like festival. So they were allowed on the carpet, but not inside. No, absolutely not no, And they were only there for the spectacle of the photos. They were all holding the different sections. The way they move was like a choreographed dance around her, so that the dress was never twisted. They all had like pieces of lace covering their eyes, and it was the whole look so like the dress, the head piece, the way her hair was styled, all the women. It was in reference to that surrealist female painter Leonora Carrington, who was the inspiration for Bedtime Story right the music video from nineteen ninety four. So that is so incredible that they went and like looked back. The detail is just like, honestly pretty much I would say almost my winner of the night because of the deep because of the details and the reference back and I love that they use like it does reference an artist, but it also then references Madonna as an artist as well. Yeah, because that's her. Like I just I can't stop reading the Everyone on her team gave an interview and I'm like, that's correct. Well, there should be seventeen interviews from seventeen different people who put this look together. Imagine how hard the Saint Laurent team had to work to do all of these outfits. Yeah, because you've got all the people, like the handmade into a holding, the dresses, and like the way there has styled a makeup. Even her hairdresser said that they specifically made her hair dark brown, not black, very undone, very untouched, and made it look that like the hair looked lived in, much like Madonna herself. And I was like, get out of here with that. I love that so good, incredible. Okay, this one, I would not say it's my fave, but I think it's a talked about one and I appreciate it. It was a departure from her normal basic black column gown look and it's Hailey er. Do you know what. I absolutely agree. I normally don't have particularly have time for her. And I'm like, I read because she's not a red carpet girl, she's a street style girl. Yeah, but I think she thinks she's a red carpet girl, and a lot of people, well, I don't know. I think I really like someone tell her that's fine, that's not her currency. No, I look, look, I don't really have much time for Haley Beaver. Fine, I said it, be careful saying that in these means streets Sydney. I know, Sydney shut down when she arrives. I know. I don't think I could say it outside the walls of the studio, but you have to come into witness protection. But I'm just yeah, I just never I disliked her. But I know what you mean, Like, we don't understand. We did a whole episode of this, and I don't think we got to an answer the huge intense love and the fandom around her and nothing bad, Like I understand. But the thing is, like, there's lots of beautiful young women who have beautiful style and beautiful makeup and skin and share their lives online and people love them. And I understand all that about her, but whatever it is about her and who have celebrity marriages and who come from vapor totally. Whatever it is about her that has kicked her up to like the highest tier of that is what. I'm not white. I don't know. I don't I've asked so many people who love her and they can't even explain it. They're like, I don't know, I just love her. Yeah, I don't know, that's it. I don't know what her secret source is, but that's it. I don't think other people can name it either. Something about it. They love her, and you know, for a lot of people that's enough. But I agree, normally I am so just like I can't even really bothered to check what she's wearing on her carpet, right, but I thought she looks so absolutely exquisite. The colors, I think is what it is. I mean, hopefully she'll wear color going forward because it does suit her. So she's sewing Saint Laurent, as you said many people are, and it's a beautiful sculpted bodice that has like the breast and stomach detail, which a lot of people, including Kim Kardashian, did to some extent. But the difference with hers is that her sculpted bodice piece with the boobs is made completely of twenty four carrot gold, which is crazy. And then you have long blue chiffon skirt and also the kind of flowing neck piece around her. And apparently she's wearing a gladiator sandal. Oh but we can't see it, but they were in the I know, we'll have to go look at the video. In the video, she'll she'll show them the dress pulls up and she's wearing like a gladiator sandal. Which I'm not against those coming back. No, neither neither. Fifteen year on me is thrilled. No, I've still I've still got some in my coh. I don't throw anything out. I've got everything. Okay, great, so you're gonna be insion, I can pull them out. Okay, I've got someone I want to talk about. Okay, I want to talk about Annicole. Okay, so also a co chair tonight. So she was their first. So she was she's a rule follower because she's a real follower and she's got good manners and she wants to greet everyone. So she turned up first. She's wearing Chanel, so she's part of the Friend of Chanell House of Chanelle. You know she's she's a Chanel girl. She's a Chanelle girl throwing through. I love this color on her. I think she looks so so beautiful in this color. There's been a lot of chatter about her hair though, Oh okay, so I don't know if I have strong thoughts about the hair. So the dress is like this beautiful almost like a burgundy glittering, high necked, long sleeve dress. Beautiful train, and then like almost like a lighter red pomp pom esque feather detail pieces. So that's all beautiful, and she's got the height and everything to wear that. Do people not like the long straight blonde people aren't loving the hair, What do they want like a bum? I don't know. I think I think you need the hair with that. It's because she looks like she looks like a medieval princess with the way she's standing almost, with the cut of the dress and everything, and with that kind of like almost like mystical etherean legend kind of vibe. You need that long, flowing golden hair. Yeah, it would have looked too almost like too prissy with like a bun or Yeah, I think so too. I don't have a problem with the hair either. But there's been a lot of chatter online and also in this office, we're really driving everyone, well, this is just talking to us instantly, and we've like literally, we're like taking notes and we're like, will be the expert. I said nothing out there to anyone, so I just nodded when everyone spoke to me that I'm coming in here and being like and she said this, and I was like, well, this is the actual story anyway. I don't think the hair is that bad. No, general, I'm shocked by that. Do you know whose hair I don't like? You tell me? Oh? And I did screen this across the office. Okay, I just want Gracie Aprams to stop cutting her hair. Oh my god. Everyone was getting upset but again ragging the office. Everyone was like, what's with her hair? And I was like, but isn't that her whole thing? Because you've got to pick more of a pixie cut now, but kind of, I'm short, it's so so short. And I loved her with long hair. Also, I did love her Chinel dress. She looked really really, she did look beautiful. I think she's trying to, like rile against that traditional pop girl look and have like an edgy haircut, but then she pairs it with a pretty dress, and I think it's like, she is so pretty, she's got the cheek brown. Just because you've got the cheek bones doesn't mean you have to do it rest. Just because you can have like a weird bob cut doesn't mean you should. But I also if anyone, if anyone can, it's her fair. Okay, faves again, we can talk about this forever. So one of my all time faves, not just tonight at the Metgala, but in all walks of life. One of my fashion queens Gwendol and Christie, who of course people loved as Briann of Tarth in Game of Thrones, but also in so many other things, including recently in Wednesday on Netflix. Yes she, I mean, the thing is, she's just so statuesque and beautiful, and she's wearing this deep red gown with almost like a fish a mermaid train one shoulder, this beautiful head piece. But what I loved is she has a mask of her own face that she was holding up to people as she walked past them. And the look was designed by Giles Deacon, who was of course her lover. Her lover since I think twenty thirteen, officially, having a hot, fashioned boyfriend also makes you dresses. Yes, the dream, actually the dream. Yeah, where is that man? For the rest of us? Absolutely socially as a tall lady, like it's so hard, like not just model tall, but like tall tall. It's so hard. Sometime many spillers that don't know this. Yeah, Laura Brodnick is very tall. I'm tall. I stood next to Doing Christy once and I was like, this is what I dream of because we're in Like, she's tall than me. I'm joking. Of course everyone knows you're tall because you tell tall time. No one cares about my tall issues. And I'm just saying, it's hard to find a really good dress, and her boyfriend made her one. That's true love. Okay. Someone else I wanted to shout out quickly before we get into the last few big moments was Lena Dunnam in her beautiful Valentino gown. Yes, she looks like she's an escape from an old school Las Vegas casino, but I love that for her. And she was nervous about going to the metgala. She wrote about it because her body has been ridiculed over the years. She's on a big high now with everyone loving her memoir, and I just quite like this Valentino look. I only the only thing I kind of wish is like maybe the feathers weren't completely covering her face, because that looks unintentional. I agree, there's there is too much feathering around the face, and it is like it's obscuring our view of her, and not in a way that it looks like it's meant to no, Like it's not like she's wearing like that's part of the dress for her face. Use she's She's like, I can't see. Probably, I'm like, can you imagine they're probably tickling her nose and she's trying to say stuck in her lip glass. So I love seeing as well the call back to the Valentino rockstud heels on her. So they were seen in the Devil Wes praa promo I'm Miranda and people were like, oh, she would never wear Valentino rockstud heels, blah blah blah blah blah. Now yes, Valentino rockstard heels are back. I love that shoe. I'm so excited to see it back. And there's like a modern twist on it too, which Lena's wearing. And I think she looks fabulous, which is one thing I did notice about Lena, and I don't like. Look. I always think, you know, when you see celebrities on red carpets and they look so perfect, the skin looks so perfect. I'm like, oh, there's a little bruise on her leg, And I feel like whenever I go to any event, I'm always like, oh, I'm not trying to cover up a bruise or something like that. I'm like, thank god, there's a bruise on the red cart. She's got a little bruising on her leg, and you know that's when she probably bumped it. If she's like me, she bruises just by getting out of the car at the met game. And she's got her leg out and she's got the shoe out and she looks hot. Look. I'm so here for for like Lena's comeback. I love her. I love the work she does. I thought too Much was fantastic last year. I'm excited for more Lena. You know who we need to talk about Rihanna, the lady who almost missed the Red car, The lady who almost missed the Red she saw arriving last, and she was like, you know what, girl, I'm going to leave my hotel when they're packing up the carpet, which I pretty I could honestly say that is what happened. They had to reroll that carpet for this girl because I think they were actually sitting down to dinner when Rihanna arrived. And I love being late too, but like, yeah, she was altly really late, and I look, people are given her rival times for the Red Carpet, so either Rihanna did not look, did not care, or saw her arrival time and when no, no, no, I'm Rihanna the only celect who could really do that pretty much. I mean, but no, that's not true because Madonna could have done that, Beyonce could have Like this was the where they work. Actually, those high level celebs there that do not care what rules they're given. No, and no one's gonna tell Rihanna, Beyonce or Madonna what to do. Did Rihanna win? I don't know, because she kind of missed the Red Carpet coverage, so I feel like there was this ripple of like Rihanna's coming and it's like, is she really coming because the red carpet coverage has ended. She came, She's there. I think she came. Maybe just there is such thing maybe as being like unfashionably late, maybe because the photographers like, we've missed your mom. Obviously her photos went everywhere, but you're right, the excitement was kind of everyone was in like the carpet's finished, and all the newsrooms like, and now we get our articles up. Now we finished getting our stories up, and so it was kind of like she was a late addition. So she's wearing Marjella to twenty twenty five, and it's almost like she's got a wreath around her head, but it's almost like a silver like crinkled metallic. It's like a done metal sort of yeah, and it's almost like it's wrapping around her like she's some sort of a sea creature, like she's been pulled into a whirlpool. That's my official fashion take on that. I like it. I'm happy to go with that. But yeah, I mean she looks great, and you know what the thing is that she just rocks up being like I'm here, take my photo. I'll go when I want, and you're lucky to have me. Yeah, and we are, and we exactly we are. I just want to ask her what's it like not to be a people pleaser because I can't relate to that. Yeah, Okay. The last person we're going to talk about was perhaps the most surprising yest of the evening. I don't think anyone was expecting her to show up, but Blake Lively arrived on the red carpet looking absolutely exquisite, and she is such a Met Gala staple, and this moment I can't describe it, like yes, that there were these huge entrances that were saying like Madonna, Beyonce, all these moments, but her arrival felt like a scene from a movie or a scene from gossip Girl, you know how, like gossip Girl always has, like it would always the episodes culminate a big event when someone who'd been shunned from society or blackmailed walks into the event and everyone's like, oh, I didn't think they were going to be here. So so truly, Lively at the Met Gala was a real life you can hear a moment, i'd we can hear it, like good evening for East. Oh I'm back, I'm back. Guess who was back? And she was back in a big way, and she looked like Serena. She had the Serena hair going. She just like had you know, I mean, she's barely aged a day since then. Somehow she looked absolutely glorious. I think everything about her look was again not calculated, but I think she knew that her arrival would make crazy headlines, and so everything she was wearing, the way she spoke, her accessories were all geared towards sharing a very particular message, which is that she wants people to forget about the legal battle with Justin Baldoni. She wants to forget about the smear campaign, forget about what the last few years have been, and just remember her as queen of the Met Gala and like the movie star she is. Yeah, whether or not that landed with everyone, but that was very clearly the message. Look at won't people are so divided over black lives in so many people are committed to hating her. But I do think that she went a long way tonight in showing like who she is, being confident as well, Like I love that she just was like I'm showing up, I'm giving it my all. I'm going to look absolutely stunning, and I'm going to have my head held high and do what I do best, which is create this moment, yeah, and be a fashion icon. And the timing was quite incredible because the statement had only come out a few hours earlier that she and Justin Baldoni in I think quite a surprising term of events, considering the coverage and how that court case was going, that they had settled out of court. They released between their companies a joint statement saying that the settlement had happened, that it was going to remain private, so there's a good chance we'll never know the details of this settlement between them. But their statement was very much like we're proud of our movie, we're proud of the message, and basically move on and let's not let's pretend this never happened, which for the coverage that court case has got in the last few years and the fact that she did a tell all with the New York Time, and then he had a live website where he uploaded all his material on her, like the most public legal battle we've ever seen, and then them releasing a joint statement saying it's been settled. Away from the cameras, please don't talk about it. And then hours later her attending the biggest red carpet of the year, and there wasn't like you there's almost like an audible gasp from the crowd because she was there, and she hasn't been to the Met Gala for four years, and before that she was one of the queens of the Met Gala always you know, the big dress, the co chairing the event, best dressed, all those things. And then she came in and the gown is incredible. Some people thought again throwing me off to some of the bus. Some people thought it was too prince SSSI. But that's her look, right, that's her look. And it was actually really nice to see a PRINCESSI dress all the carpet, like you know, it's like the fantasy and it looks so beautiful. It was a two thousand and six Vasace dress archival piece. They had like reimagined it. They added a bit of fruit. They did had a bit of fruit at the end. And they're in like stunning pastor colors as like peaches and pale pis and violets, and it's so so pretty. The beating is gorgeous. When you look at the dress as well, like structurally around the skirt, it's so amazing, Yeah, paneling. She just looks so pretty in it. Her hair like the you know, it was like classic black life, classic curls, a huge train, jewels dripping off her. Just that idea like what the fashion girls would hate, like too much, but too much in a perfect way. And then I saw her. She think Tuney did one interview that I could see, and she did seem nervous, and I think she was really she was rushing out kind of like all the details of the design of the dress, the importance of it. She was crediting all the artists that she'd worked with, and in a way where she really wanted to be like, I'm just up here for the designer. I'm here for the artists, not here for me. But then she was also carrying this custom Judith liber bag and it had four sides to it, and each of the sides was a different artwork by one of her four children. Now there's some people out there that are like and the statement from Liba was, we love working with Blake. She's so creative. She's such an incredible like visionary. This is a beautiful tribute to her family and she was talking about her kids on the red carpet. Then there's the cynical people who was like, oh, look at her using her kids to distract from the fact that people hate her, Like she's trying to like use being a mother to like just you know, kind of like quiet in the noise. And I think that's probably a step too far. Look, I think it's a step too far, But I do think it's like it's such a safe conversation to have. So while I don't think that it was to kind of distract from the people who like, you know, she can't control that anyway, But what she can do when she's nervous and understandably so, is have a conversation on the red carpet that she feels comfortable with. She's in like an area where she feels good to talk about it. Yeah, And of course that's her children, and she's always talked about her children and brought them into her interviews and her life and everything like that. So you know, it felt correct for her, and it was always going to be a polarizing moment of her arriving. But look, I loved it because I love the drama. That's what the met gal is about the fashion, the drama, And what I think is so interesting is that of everyone that came and every headline at every moment, the one that everyone is going to be talking about is yeah, exactly, And what a way to re enter society post the legal dramas, but also to do it so quickly. Yeah. Day of She's like, we're not wasting any time. I'm back on the radar back. Do you think she would have gone had it not been finalized? No? I think she went because it was fine. They were able to get the settlement happened. They were able to agree on a joint statement and get it out on the day, which makes me think like was it targeted for the day or were they just scrambling at the last moment. I don't think she would have walked with that hanging over her head, because then she would have been seen as like a victim, and at least in this a victim either of people who support her or don't, Like there would have been a negative energy around her. At least with this, there's like this finality to it, like that is over and this is my new chapter. Like a debutante, she's reintroducing herself to society. And you know what, I'm so glad because it would have been such a shame if that dress had had to stay hanging in the Versace Itelier instead of being able to be on that carpet exactly. And that's what the day is about. That is what the day is about. Thank you for listening to The Spill today. Make sure you're following us on Instagram and TikTok to see all the looks that we covered today. The Spill is produced by Manicius Warren with video production by Michael Keane and we will see you next time. Bye bye, La

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Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tiner Burk, and welcome to a history making episode of The Spill. Because in the six years I've been hosting this podcast, we've never done this before. So Tina, it's a big day for you to be here. So what is happening If you hear the frantic energy in our voices, the flutter in our hearts, just we're in the midst of right now, in real time, in the midst of the twenty twenty six Met Gala.
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Absolutely wild time's happening here.
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So we're in the studio. The flurry of the red carpet is still happening outside. And here's the thing about the Met Gala, guys, I'm know if anyone else is across this, there's a lot of celebrities there.
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There's a lot of dresses.
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Speaker 2

And we know we normally drop out big episode, like our full episode every day at three pm. That has been the rule. But today we're breaking the rules slightly. So we're coming to you now with a little teaser. So I hope you didn't look at the time and say, oh my God, their Metgala episode is fifteen minutes. Guys, my intros are fifteen minutes. We could ever so never fear. The full Met Garlett episode is actually dropping in the spill feed later today, but we needed time to do boots on the ground, or at least boots on the Getty on the Getty video images to make sure that we saw all the dresses that we could bring you a full recap that we were across all the celebrity drama, we were across the interviews, we were across just all the bits and pieces, so that we're not bringing you half an episode exactly. I would never It is a long red carpet. It kicks off at eight and it goes to a lunch time like it's a long deal, you know. And yeah, and spoiler alert for I guess how that what if Merrel Streeps said me the other day named us how the sausage is made behind the scene. Is that we normally record at eleven, which means we would have missed all the dresses. So we're coming to you today with just a little update to tide you over of what you can expect in our Met Garlett episode. Because what we do know so far, so we're coming to you from the past. We don't know what's going to happen. Like a ghost of Christmas Pass. That's the ghost of Metgala's pass. We don't know what's going to happen yet. But it's kind of shaping up to be a bit controversial, is that right, Teterburg?
02:06
Speaker 3

It is The Metgala's never without its controversy, especially in recent years. I think as us normal people have gotten more of a glimpse into it on social media. We now understand the cost tickets to go are upwards of one hundred thousand dollars. For like all of the famous stars you see walking the carpet, the clothes they're wearing are worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions sometimes of dollars. The diamonds, the jewels, all of it. It's so luxurious and beautiful, Yes, and I understand why it exists, But for so many people they look at it and they go, what a privilege and waste of money while real people are struggling. And that has really come to a head this year due to the honorary coachairs Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez Bezos. So according to page six, Jeff and Lauren would have paid about ten million dollars to be named honorary coachairs, and that basically means nothing, Like being an honorary coacher doesn't mean anything. It's not like the others who have actual roles in deciding what happens. It's just a title to show like your contribution to the culture. So basically Jeff and Lauren have been like accused of buying their way into the culture, with which I think is kind of fair. Yeah, but I do think that's what's happened here. But there's like an anti oligarch, anti tech activist group called Everyone Hates Elon, and they have been like blasting New York City with papers about boycott the Bezos met Baal. There's all of these signs going up that are anti Amazon, anti Jeff Bezos. And at the same time, also what's happening in New York is that the New York Maya Zoron Mum Danny is going to be like the first New York City first couple to not go to the met Gala, and he's made a statement of like he's looking forward to spending his time focused on making like affordability his priority in the most expensive city in the United States, and he said that's what I'm looking forward to spending my time focused on on the first Monday in May.
03:45
Speaker 1

So so fair.
03:47
Speaker 3

Quite a time period in which to be doing it. So it's made a lot of political discourse pop up about Jeff Bezos and we're definitely going to see I think more of it on the carpet as it keeps unfolding.
03:57
Speaker 2

Yes, So that has caused a bit of a rift in the fashion community, with some people in the fashion community saying we're just not going this year, We're going to sit it out, and then there's some roomored people like, people like is that why Meryl Streep's not going?
04:09
Speaker 1

Is that why end Days not going?
04:11
Speaker 2

I mean, neither of those women is ever going to confirm nor deny anything.
04:14
Speaker 3

But very interesting timing because Zendea's been seven years straight and this is the one she's sitting out of and she's around at the moment that much. We know she's on a lot of press tours for her film, so it actually would be a great year for her to go.
04:25
Speaker 2

Well, yes, but also she is going to have five massive red cars environments this year. That are all her. Whole carpet at every event is all about her. So maybe she thought this year she doesn't have to go. Maybe she's trying to pull a bit of a Beyonce because Beyonce is going to the met Gala this year for the first time since twenty sixteen, so for first time in ten years, and that is one of the reasons that Beyonce has her level of fame. Obviously she's talented and beautiful and all those things, but she's become so elusive.
04:53
Speaker 3

Yeah, she knows when to pull back.
04:55
Speaker 1

A sighting of her is like seeing like a like a what's an animal that's extinct? Nicon?
05:00
Speaker 2

Yeah, well never Yeah, I was gonna say unicorns are extinct.
05:03
Speaker 3

I didn't know you were going to say extinct, and unicorn came out before you were done.
05:06
Speaker 2

I was gonna say, wow, what why were we doing a podcast on that?
05:09
Speaker 1

But it feels like breaking news.
05:11
Speaker 2

I was going to say, like a Tasmanian devil or something like that still look or a Dodo bird if you saw one of those.
05:18
Speaker 1

This is not a wildlife podcast. If you saw one of those, you'd be like, wow, no one ever sees that.
05:22
Speaker 2

That's Beyonce. That is Beyonce because she's so she doesn't need the press. No, she's beyond press. Yeah, well she's beyond so maybe yeah. And I feel like Zenda is going in that way too, absolutely beyond the press as well.
05:32
Speaker 1

Yeah for sure.
05:33
Speaker 3

And like Beyonce's joined by Nicole Kidman, Venus Williams, and Anna Wintour as the co chairs, which means they're kind of like as well as the hosting committee in charge of like figuring out the theme, the guest list, like who's coming all of that jazz. They do have an involved role, the co chairs and the honorary Hosting Committee, which is like fifty celebrities. Yeah, the honorary So like the co chair committee, which I didn't even realize is the thing.
05:54
Speaker 1

It's the host committee.
05:55
Speaker 2

Do we think that they're like getting on a zoom or this sting on a table and someone's bringing snacks and someone's taking notes. I would love to be a fly on the wall for this because the host committee is Sabrina Carpenter, Doja Cat, Tiana Taylor.
06:06
Speaker 1

Even just those three, I'd be like, girls, I'll play in the event. You guys just gossip.
06:12
Speaker 2

Lisa from Black Pink, Elizabeth de Becky and Lina Dunham. And also this feels like very kind of prom king and queen. Yeah if you were like school captains in Australia. Is that the host committee? They have two leaders and they are Anthony Vecacalo and Zoe Kravitz.
06:28
Speaker 1

Yeah, why I sell power Doer. Yeah.
06:30
Speaker 3

Yeah, it's going to be really interesting as well, Like I would love to be a fly on the wall and be like, so what.
06:35
Speaker 1

Do you guys talk about?
06:36
Speaker 2

It needs to make a mockumentary about the met Gala hosting committee. Can you imagine like the side threads and the side chats and like WhatsApp groups and stuff that are happening away from the main thread.
06:46
Speaker 3

I do feel like the person who's up for that job is Mindy Kaling because she was involved in The Ocean's Eight when they pretended to rob the met Gala, and that felt like someone's insights who had really been there, And Mindy goes sometimes I reckon she could write us a little bit.
06:58
Speaker 1

Oh my god, Mindy Kaling, please make that happen. How good?
07:01
Speaker 2

Even if you don't want to make it a documentary, you could fictionalize it, but we can tell who you know, like a blonde Dove Cameron like plays Sabrina Carpenter and like so on and so forth, you know what I mean, Like we can tell who's who?
07:13
Speaker 1

Yes, that would have been nice. Actually, that's fine.
07:15
Speaker 2

I love our fan fiction. Maybe that's what we'll dorn the Met this year, which is fan fiction.
07:18
Speaker 1

Of the Malla. That would be delicious.
07:21
Speaker 2

The theme this year, I love it. Every year everyone debates the theme, but most people are unsure what it is. I feel like Sarah Jessica Parker is the only one who really goes in on the theme. Yes, we haven't heard she's going this year, but she is usually on the red carpet the Met, and she puts so much time and effort. She reads like books, she interviews people, she goes deep on it. And then other people are just like, well they said something blah blah blah gardens, so I'm a flower. Yeah, so wait, fair enough fair And then hers is like, oh, you know, the lace from my dress is like mimics the poem that was yeah from the Zeer blah bla blah.
07:56
Speaker 3

Yeah, and you know what really highlighted that was the Sleeping Beauty. Yeah, like that year some people like, I don't know what they were doing. They were really just garden rose in spied outfits. And then yeah, other people were like, well they read this fairy tale from this point in time and the fashion referenced. Yeah, it separates the true art.
08:11
Speaker 1

I love that.
08:12
Speaker 2

So this year's theme is Costume Art, which is named after the new exhibition YEA, and the dress code for the met Gala is fashion is Art and so on. The invitation it said guests are invited to explore their relationship to fashion as an embodied art form and celebrate depictions of the dressed body throughout art history. Yeah, I'm going to say five people are going to do that last bit. Everyone else is going to go Art. Just means that you could really go with a very easy, avant garde, crazy over the top. I wondered it would be like the year was Camp and people were just dressing crazy outfits.
08:43
Speaker 1

Yeah.
08:43
Speaker 3

So Andrew Bolton, the curator of the Like Costume Institute, he was like, I do worry people might take the theme literally and come as a painting. Like he knows, he's like someone's total He actually said, he was like, I'm scared someone's gonna come as like that Campbells suit painting Katy Perry.
08:58
Speaker 1

I was gonna say Katy Perry. Well, I was like, let's not slam Katie Perry lesser.
09:02
Speaker 3

But the year she came as a burger, it was like widely reported that Anna Winter was like what the hell?
09:06
Speaker 1

Yeah? And Wint was like, when I made this the event of the year, that's not what I meant to.
09:10
Speaker 3

No, it's not meant to be a dress up thing like it is, but in a very different way.
09:14
Speaker 1

Yeah. But I found it.
09:15
Speaker 3

Really interesting because he's spoken at length about like the exhibition and they've split it into like thirteenth thematic body type, so there's like pregnant bodies, aging, disabled, variations on nudity, and they said, like the exhibition has two hundred sculptures and artworks alongside two hundred garments and accessories, So it's about bodies that have been marginalized in fashion and ones that haven't been valorized in either fashion or Western culture. And I found it really interesting because he was like a lot of the development's fashion has made over the last few years have really eroded, and I don't feel like we're seeing as much diversity on the runway as we were seeing. So it's a very interesting time with a lot of the discoss that we are having about famous people's bodies and bodies on runways and men magazines and in movies at this time for this exhibit. But I do think the theme goes over a lot of people's heads. Sometimes, I'm not going.
10:00
Speaker 2

To pay a lot of people and we'd already know we're just going to see it like a full sea of very very thin bodies at the met Gala, because it's a representation of who's in fashion and entertainment at the moment, and that's who's in fashion and.
10:12
Speaker 1

Entertainment at the moment.
10:13
Speaker 2

So I don't think there'll be any sort of body diversity. I feel like that conversation is dead and buried to the detriment of us as a society. And Andrew Bolton in his exhibit, yeah exactly. But I'm interessed to see what a lot of people wear. I'm interested about how Kim Kardashian is gonna vier because she got to a point where the first couple of years after the whole debacle, when she was pregnant and she will the flower rose gown and.
10:36
Speaker 1

Everyone always quite like that. It was quite nice too. This is me think he tell us of dress as well. I don't know anything.
10:41
Speaker 2

It's just that she was heavily pregnant and people just pretend that they like that, but they don't. And after that, she just went through many years of just wanting to look pretty because I think she was trying to be accepted. And then she got into an interesting place of the stunt dressing with the Marilyn Monroe look and the wet look, beaded gown like my waist defires human measurements, yeah, and the walking with her face covered, so her silhouette spoke to everything. So there was all that, and the last few years with like the pearl dress and even like the Garden one where she had the cardigan and that was her stunt and people just thought that her dress broke beforehand, when was just not what happened. And now she's in an interesting space whether she's either going to have to just decide she's not stunt dressing anymore and she's going to go down the path of just looking like pretty in chic, or she's going to lean further into stunt dressing. And I hope it's that one and that's what it means to be because she looks just beautiful every other night of the year. But I think she cares less about being beautiful now because she knows she's beautiful, yeah, and she cares more about getting a good headline.
11:36
Speaker 3

And it was like when she did the sort of water droplet dress like the gal yeah, and like that was the camp year, right, and everyone was like, this is in camp, this is ridiculous, But actually she was one of the ones who understood the dress codes the most, and when you looked into how the dress was made and like the skill set that had gone into it and like what it represented, she was actually one of the ones who got it right. And I think that's the thing about her stunt dressing is sometimes people see it and go like, oh, well, she didn't read the dress code, and it's like, actually, I think she's one of the.
12:02
Speaker 1

And she wants people to think like she trained and.
12:04
Speaker 3

I feel like she's copying Sarah Jessica Parker in that, like she sees her as her inspiration fashion wise, and she wants that for herself.
12:10
Speaker 1

She wants to be taken seriously. That's so interesting.
12:13
Speaker 2

Well we'll see, so make sure you drop back into this feed this afternoon fro omur Met Gala Special. We're gonna be combing through all the dresses, all the scandals, all the behind the scenes. You just know that carpet is going to be a lit with celebrity gossip, and.
12:26
Speaker 1

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12:28
Speaker 2

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You're listening to A'm Mom with Mia podcast. Good morning, angels. I hope you're glowing today because we have an absolutely jam packed episode. He just happened overnight. I'm gonna get you through. You just settle in, relax. I got you babes. Today, We've got baby news for two famous ladies. Brittany Spears Always Jail Time, Olivia Drigo versus Jake Paul and the Roasting Steaks and the Spice Girls give us a mini reunion in Leeds that has sent the Internet quietly feral. Let's pour the tea baby baby news to kick us off. Cameron Diaz and Benji Madden have welcomed their third child and announced it in the most adorable way. Benji posted to Instagram that he and Cameron are happy, excited, and feeling so blessed to announce the birth of our third child, Nautous Madden. Welcome to the world sun. The announcement came with the trading card graphic featuring a pirate ship and the meeting of the name Sailor Navigator Voyager, one who embarks on a journey and fears not the unknown. Karon and Benji are also parents to daughter Radix and son Cardinal two. So now they've got three kids under seven. Witches a lot. Cameron, who came out of a ten year Hollywood retirement last year, but back in action is clearly thriving on all fronts. Radix, Cardinal and Nortis Madam. They are committed to a theme and I respect it enormously. And more baby news, this one with royal flavor. Princess Eugenie and her husband Jack brooks Bank can be ever heard a richer name are expecting their third child. Buckingham Palace announced her Royal Highness Princess Eugenie and mister Jack brooks Bank are very pleased to announce that they are expecting their third child together due this summer. August, aged five and Ernest, age two are also very excited to have another sibling join the family. His Majesty the King has been informed and is delighted with the news. And next time. Britney spears a pete in court yesterday by her lawyer for her duy case and has avoided jail time. She pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of reckless driving involving alcohol and drugs and was sentenced to twelve months probation, fines, and must complete a three month DY course. The original dui charge has been dropped, but it's a tough one because obviously I want Brittany to be happy and healthy and not got a jail, but also driving while under the influence so incredibly dangerous. She was offered the deal because she has no prior DUI history, there was no crash, and she voluntarily checked herself into rehab straight after the rest. She completed that treatment last week. Let's hope she's an upward trajectory soon. Stick around when we return. Chris Jenna has her site set on a new client, and Jake Paul has responded to the roasting from Olivia Rodrigo on SNL Welcome Back to Morning Tea. Reports have emerged that Chris Jenna has her site set on Robert Erwin as her next management client, and insider says Chris is impressed by Robert's incredibly telegenic, wholesome, and authentic nature. However, Terry has reservations, specifically that she doesn't want Robert to come tabloid fodder. The source added, history has not been kind to the men who get involved with the Gardashians and Terry being the absolute icon. Geeze made her own feelings pretty clear with the Steve Irwin gala in Las Vegas over the weekend, joking about Robert's increasingly shirtless content, saying Steve never took his shirt off for wildlife. Yeah, well, respectfully, Terry, Steve didn't have fast delicious rig But I got to agree with Mamma Bear Chrisky is the most talented strategic manager on the planet. But our boy Robert is a precious, wholesome flower who must be protected at all costs quick ones to close us out, and they are both delightful in their own way. First, Olivia Rodrigue made her S ANDL hosting debut over the weekend absolutely smashed it. In an opening monologue, she called out her former Disney Channel co star Jake Paul.

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We had an incredible cast, which included acting legend Jake Paul, and we'n always talk about our futures. Me and Jake, I'd say, I really want to create music that explores the complexities of girls my age, and he'd say, well, one day, I really want to beat up old guys on Netflix, and we both did it. Hooray.

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00:02
Speaker 2

Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and I'm Tina Burke and coming up on the show today, Look, Taylor slipped us up to some antics. There's secret coded messages in her outfits, there's potential secret songs, there's a countdown.
00:15
Speaker 1

I'm gonna be so honest.
00:16
Speaker 2

I'm gonna let you, Tina Burke, explain that because that is wait, you're crazy, Taylor, so fandom that's your business. Plus something I have been obsessed with for the last few days. I know we both have, but we need to talk about it. The real life Emily from The Devil Wears Prada has come forward after all these years, and she's given some really interesting insights about the author of the book, Anna wind Tour Emily Blunt. We're getting get into the biggest takeaways from that, but first you have some other things to discuss.
00:43
Speaker 3

I have some things that have come across my desk this morning. One of them is very short and I just need to touch on it really quickly, Will And it is that. Obviously, last week we discussed Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles engaged. According to people magazine. Do you know what their middle names are? Her middle name is Isabelle, Isabella Isabelle.
01:00
Speaker 1

Last, what his is? No, it's Edward. Oh they are Edward and Bella. Oh my god, this has blown up.
01:08
Speaker 2

You might be the only person who. Oh no, it has blown up on socials this morning.
01:12
Speaker 3

It's come across the internet because they are Bella and Edward from Twilight, which means they are now faded to be together forever. I was skeptical before. I was like, they're not gonna last. It's not gonna happen. And now I'm like, no, they're Bella and Edward, so like it's gonna happen. By Stephanie Wheer, Oh my god, I love some little nerd put that together. I love nerds.
01:28
Speaker 1

And they together.
01:29
Speaker 2

For nine months, we've had this information for nine months and only now have people picked it up.
01:32
Speaker 3

Someone sat on it until now, And maybe they'll have a little renett me of their own, just something to think about, something a bit.
01:37
Speaker 1

More serious, do you think of it?
01:39
Speaker 2

Well, I'm sure they'll be thrilled that people have figured out they're supposed to be together because they're middle names.
01:43
Speaker 1

Yes, no other reason.
01:46
Speaker 2

Yeah, something more serious that isn't more serious, No, but with just my lurkings on social media is the Summer I Turn Pretty has officially.
01:55
Speaker 3

Been done filming the movie, which is very exciting. It's been really like under wrapped of what exactly the plot was going to be. I mean, we pretty much assume and everyone has reported that it's going to be about like Belly and Conrad finally getting married, but we didn't finally.
02:10
Speaker 2

Everyone's like, well, when will those crazy kids get married?
02:13
Speaker 3

Honestly like sitting on the shelf at this point. But I do think they're going to be about twenty five. But the first onset photos came out over the weekend. They've gotten back to set and while they were incredibly grainy and blurry and they were kind of like pat photos or fan photos taken on phones, they're all out on a boat on the lake.
02:29
Speaker 1

It's very the summer return pretty.
02:31
Speaker 3

Yes, what you can see is that Belly has a big diamond ring on her left ring finger.
02:37
Speaker 2

Okay, people have not handled these photos well in a mature way. Everyone has been pretty nasty, pretty crazy because the ring, as we all remember, if you can even call her that, that was given to Belly by Jeremiah in the show was so small that you literally couldn't see it. Even when she held it up in front of your face, you could not see it. We put it on socials and we had to.
02:58
Speaker 3

Draw a circle around it, the tiny little diamond.
03:01
Speaker 2

From that point, poor Jenny Hahn, the writer of the books and creator of the TV series and showrunner and all these things, This talented, creative, brilliant woman then gave up her precious time to go on oppressed tour to do interviews so that fans could ask her questions about the show. And all that woman got asked was what was that tiny ring? Was that meant to be a joke? And that poor woman had to answer over and over again. No, it wasn't meant to be a joke. We just thought, like, he doesn't have any money, so of course you'd have a small ring. It's just the way that belly held it up so defiantly to show the family and then you couldn't see it, and you couldn't see it at all. Became such a running joke.
03:36
Speaker 3

Yes, and so even from a great distance on a boat in the middle of the high seas, you can see the ring that we can assume Conrad has given to her. So it's a Peconkin diamond, and I'm very excited about that because she does deserve it. And this is why you date the handsome doctor and not like the weird other brother. There were lots of reasons, but I do think this is one of them. The other big thing that has come out based on these photos is that Jeremiah our like sad single other.
04:01
Speaker 1

Hey.
04:01
Speaker 2

Hey, some of us were kind of quietly team Joremiah nick word team Jeremiah, and I don't understand why, but that's your business. He has his arm wrapped around a mystery blonde woman, so that, oh god, it's not that woman from who was that girl?
04:13
Speaker 1

I kind of friend.
04:14
Speaker 3

Yeah, So the whole season three subplot of him falling for the roommate and the roommate being a weird hater of Conrad that never.
04:21
Speaker 1

Sat well, Yeah, that just felt right. That was for nothing.
04:23
Speaker 3

It felt rushed, and it was for nothing because now he's on a boat with a woman who looks a little bit too much like his mother and he's got his arm around her and they look to be a couple. So wow, something to think about there, But we don't really know too much about what the film is about, but we do know that Jenny Hahn is directing. So she directed one of the episodes of the season three, which was episode five. Laura, I don't know how much you remember the summer I Turned pretty, but episode five was the one from Conrad's pov Oh the Apple.
04:48
Speaker 1

We hate the Apple, and he is in the white T shirt. Yeah, that song played wild Horses beautiful.
04:52
Speaker 3

VI.
04:52
Speaker 2

Wow, I just like, I feel like I just lost you for a second, just went off and I just got into.
04:55
Speaker 3

My Conrad's little like mind bubble. But she's going to direct the film, so she said, taking inspiration from Nora Efron. Oh great, so great person to take your inspiration from. You do have to wonder what like the traditional third actension is going to because I think the whole show was third actension and we don't need to see a mini breakup again. But I don't know, maybe Steven and the other one can have some drama.
05:17
Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean that's the thing. Isn't it to be able to make a movie like that.
05:20
Speaker 2

Yes, yes, you've got the wedding as the plot, but there's going to have to be some moment where you think they're not going to get married some sort of drama.
05:26
Speaker 1

You can't just have a wedding.
05:27
Speaker 3

No, But like at this point, it's been drama non stop for years.
05:30
Speaker 1

You go tired to Paris.
05:31
Speaker 3

She's like, actually, I'm going back to Paris, thank you so much. I'm leaving you again. That would be so boring. We can't do that.
05:36
Speaker 1

Do we know when this is coming out? Like, at least not until next.
05:39
Speaker 2

Year twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty seven to be coming out. Yeah, I mean, I guess people will still be interesting, Like I know people still be interested, But I was worried when the show ended and they announced the movie was happening, and the momentum was so huge, and in my head, I was like, oh, I wonder if they've started shooting so that this can come out at least a year after the last episode has aired, and now it's going to.
05:59
Speaker 1

Be well over year.
06:01
Speaker 3

Yues.
06:01
Speaker 2

People still care because there was such a fandom around that show.
06:04
Speaker 1

But do we think it all? Do we think the momentums lost a little bit?
06:07
Speaker 3

I think so, And as well, there were reports like the other week about the fact that maybe the cast had only signed on to do the movie in order to get pay bumps for season three when they were renegotiating, and Deadline kind of reported saw stuff the cast themselves didn't come out and say this, but that the cast might have felt like they were a little bit taken hostage in having to agree to the movie so that they could get a pay.
06:28
Speaker 1

Rise for three.
06:29
Speaker 3

So there's also like that little underlying tension as well that I think some fans aren't happy with. And yeah, it's a long wait for a movie that realistically like I don't know what's like, how much could possibly happen.
06:39
Speaker 2

Yeah, we love Jenny harm but yeah, we love Jenny Harm. Well, hopefully there's a big plot twist in there. But that's the thing about having these continuing stories is like you do have to kind of break something or change something in order to make it worth the stakes.
06:51
Speaker 1

Yeah, but I'm sure to be fine.
06:52
Speaker 2

And also at least that they were all out of like high school and through college, they have to worry about it. They don't have to worry about them aging out of their roles. Yeah, we've got a good fifteen year years before that happens. So no, I think it'd be fun.
07:02
Speaker 1

Yeah, So, as.
07:04
Speaker 3

Discussed my favorite topic in the world. Taylor Ellison Swift has come up twice, actually more than even twice, several times in the past week, but on two very significant occasions. We have been talking about Taylor Swift and I have been talking your ear off, and I'm sure you loved every second of it.
07:18
Speaker 1

Right, No, I always.
07:19
Speaker 2

Find that you have an interesting angle on Taylor Swift because you're like really in the weeds with not just the fan theories, but kind of like the industry chat as well.
07:27
Speaker 1

So I find that very interesting. I thank you for play kating a lot of people who care about stuff I can't really relate.
07:32
Speaker 3

Yeah, and I care about everything weigh too much. But one of the things that came up last week, which some of the spillers may have seen, I know a lot of people were texting me going, what the hell is happening right now?
07:44
Speaker 2

People text you if something happens to tell you Swift, They're like, what's going on? Why is this a thing?
07:48
Speaker 1

And to be fair, you know the answer, and I do know the answer.
07:50
Speaker 3

So Taylor Swift. On Friday last week, a mysterious countdown appeared on her website for the briefest of moments and obviously, if you know anything about Taylor Swift, she loves like an Easter egg, she loves a big reveal, and she often does these countdowns on her website. So before the Life of a Showgirl album came out, whole website changed colors, big countdown pops up. This time, her website briefly changed to a sky blue background with like white cartoon clouds, and a countdown appeared in like this also cartoonish kind of font and then disappeared, and the Swifties very quickly put together that it looked like Toy Story Wow, okay, and Toy Story five is coming out soon.
08:31
Speaker 1

No, I'm aware, Oh good, I'm aware. I'm up on the plots, I'm up on everything.
08:35
Speaker 3

No, everything, and Toy Story five is coming out soon. But the thing is, people suddenly realized, holy shit, has a Taylor Swift been dropping Toy Story five clues?
08:45
Speaker 1

And again, yes, yes, okay, it looks like yes.
08:49
Speaker 3

So one of the things that I love about Taylor Swift is so and it's bold of me to say this, I'm sitting here in a T shirt, but her street style is not necessarily beloved by the fashion girls. A lot of people think she dresses a bit basic or like. The common theme is people think there's always like one thing wrong with her outfits, so she often gets roasted for her She.
09:08
Speaker 2

Gets roasted, And it's so interesting how there's this huge fandom of people that are just like, oh, she looks she just looks terrible. She dresses frumpy. If you listen to any kind of fashion podcast, fashion adjacent, any kind of industry chat, they're just like, she's known as being like one of the worst dress celebrities. Can I just say, I can't see it. I like her outfits.
09:28
Speaker 1

I like them too. I guess I'm just not a fashion girl.
09:31
Speaker 2

But I thought, like recently in the dress with the little yellow bag and the heels, maybe it's because I too am a little basic. Like when people just like, oh, it's so boring when she just wears a glittery gown, I was like, you know what, wear a glittery gown. I'm so sick of everyone wearing a beige column dress or a black dress. They're like, it's chival blah blah blah. I don't know, they all look the same. Well, at least she has a look.
09:50
Speaker 1

Yes, she has a look.
09:51
Speaker 3

She knows what her style is, and she has worked for years and years and years with the same style as Stress of Castles. You have to wonder how he feels about it all. But he also does like her, like streaming and stuff for like the Era's tool.
10:01
Speaker 2

If he does love that, it's so wild because I don't see a huge jump between her costumes from the RAS tour and her street style and her red carpet style. To me, it all looks very like concise and that it fits together, Like she doesn't look like she's in a costume when she's on stage to me, and she doesn't look like she's been dressed by someone else when she's like she always looks like her. Yeah, and there's very few celebs that look like that, Like some of them, there's such a clear line between their street style and their event dressing.
10:26
Speaker 1

Yeah. So I don't know what people want. I don't know what people want.
10:29
Speaker 3

But what they did was dig back, and they didn't have to dig very far because last week she did wear the outfit you're talking about, which is like a sky blue dress.
10:36
Speaker 1

She had a yellow bag.
10:36
Speaker 3

She was wearing lue batons, which obviously have a red bottom on them, and she was wearing a horse shoe necklace, and so people ripped into this outfit last week. Yeah, and then suddenly on Friday, when.
10:46
Speaker 1

I was like, wa, where can I buy that?
10:47
Speaker 3

And I can't afford it? But I thought she I thought it was a great dress. She was out for dinner with her family and friends. And though she has previously said she does an Easter Egg when she's like Easter Egg her personal life, she does Easter Egg through fashion all of the time. And people as soon as this Toy Story theory started kicking around, well like, wait a minute, was that hideous outfit we hated on Monday a.
11:05
Speaker 1

Toy Story five clue? Maybe?
11:08
Speaker 3

And then outside of that, there is also there's clouds in the background of her opal Aite music video, Greta Lee, obviously because of the Graham Norton show was in that music video. Guess what She's also doing voicing a character in Toy Story five exactly, and June five is the really.
11:23
Speaker 1

State of Toy Story five.
11:24
Speaker 3

It was also the really state of Tailswift's debut album, Whoa. So everyone's kind of gathered these clues together to decide that she is making his song for Toy Story five and that the countdown accidentally got set live early.
11:36
Speaker 1

Oh but does she do anything by accident that I'm not sure of.
11:39
Speaker 2

So if the countdown had been like real, it would have counted down to like Sunday five am ish our time, and then nothing happened.
11:45
Speaker 1

And nothing, but it did disappear.
11:47
Speaker 3

So I do have to wonder if it was like a phase test gone wrong. If it is gonna happen, I mean we'll find out. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me for like Taylor to be like, you know what, now it's time for a kid's music soundtrack.
11:59
Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, look, she's exactly the right age to have a very nostalgic yeah, because like all elder Malone, like she's an elder millennial just like us.
12:07
Speaker 1

Maybe or not, but yeah, we're all in that same.
12:09
Speaker 2

Bracket where we'd like grown up with Toy Story and then that we had like the later Toy Story movies that hit us as adults, and now this next one that we know is coming up is really kind of hitting everyone. It's more for adults and kids, it's hitting us at the stage of our life where we're in wood.
12:22
Speaker 1

He's got a bald spots triggering for everyone.
12:26
Speaker 2

It's yeah, so May there's a world in which she's a secret Toy Story fan and she has a real affinity with this franchise she's growing up with, and like it's all the cool kids like Greta Lee's getting in on Toy Story and then you have like Tom Hanks coming back and all the voice cast, and yeah, it's the one thing that everyone wants a piece of at the moment in Hollywood, which is so crazy.
12:44
Speaker 1

It's a Toy Story franchise.
12:45
Speaker 3

And one thing we know about Taylor Swift is that she does love an award. And if she could win a songwriting award and get a little bit closer to being an Eagle winner, you just know she would love that.
12:55
Speaker 2

She's just had a rough run as that poor girl. When will anything go right for Taylor?
13:00
Speaker 1

When will she again?
13:01
Speaker 2

I know she was meant to be a shoeing for the Oscars for Cats, Yeah, because she When you write a song, you co write a song with Andrew Lloyd Webber for one of the like most enduring musicals of all time, yea, you should at least get a nomination and probably a win, And that song was lovely, and I'm sure she pictured herself up on stage the Oscar singing it. And then Cats were so reviled and so universally hated the fact that Andrew Lloyd Webber went and bought a dog. Man hated dogs.
13:29
Speaker 1

He's like it turned me. He literally said that the other day a dog person.
13:33
Speaker 2

Yeah, He's like, I hated the adaptation of my work Cats so much that I went and bought a dog.
13:38
Speaker 1

Like, that's how much that man is angry at And.
13:40
Speaker 2

So Taylor's missu and that, and then everyone thought she was going to get a short film for the nomination for All Too Well. And there's been a few other times her music has been in the mix for a possible nomination, but it just hasn't. It's the one thing that's eluding her.
13:51
Speaker 3

It is, and I do think like she's got her thinking cap on and she's like a sad song about Jesse the Doll. That's a Cowboys song that could do well.
13:59
Speaker 2

I mean, the thing is, it's it's a good plan. If that woman writes a banger for toy story for the next movie, then yeah she's in. Then that's a real hook for a Best Song nomination at least.
14:10
Speaker 3

Yes, and so that was sort of the like unseerious side, but I do believe in it.
14:14
Speaker 1

That was a serious side.
14:15
Speaker 3

Yes, no surprising thing. So something else that Taylors which is making headlines for at the moment is her name in relation to a billion dollar sale to do with Spotify. But it's kind of due to something that she did back in twenty eighteen. And the reason I want to talk about it is because I love her so much, but also she's going to get so many other artists and so many other like songwriters and people involved in production paid out as a result of something she did back in twenty eighteen. But basically Universal Music Group are looking at selling half of their three percent stake in Spotify. And that might sound small, but that deal could be worth as much as like one point four billion dollars.
14:51
Speaker 1

It's a lot of money.
14:52
Speaker 3

So basically a bid from Pershing Square came to Universal which was to like buy out part of Universal or to become an investor, and in order to do that, they wanted them to liquidate part of their Spotify shares. But then for some reason everyone's reporting that it's like independently Universal Music has decided to sell off part of their Spotify shares and that was announced in April, but at the moment, they're obviously looking to sell off the stake. And what that would mean, like why Taylor Swift is involved is that she negotiated a deal back when she signed in twenty eighteen and other labels were selling off their Spotify shares, she negotiated that the funds would be non recoupable.
15:33
Speaker 1

Hard work to say.
15:34
Speaker 3

Got to tell you what that means is, obviously record labels, like every other label that would exist in the world, when an artist makes money, part of that money goes back to their record label. But obviously in this case the record label would be selling something, they would be giving that money to artists, and Taylor Swift is blocking that money from ending up going back to the record label. Oh and so the reason that she did that was because, as we know, Masters were a really big deal to her. She universal in twenty eighteen, and the reason she left Big Machine Records is she wanted to own her masters, like to own her own work, and the only way that Big Machine were willing to do that was if she gave them all one for one deal. So every time she gave them a new album, they would give her back ownership.
16:14
Speaker 1

Of one of her older albums.
16:15
Speaker 3

Oh, and she was like no, and didn't really trust Scott Bourschetta. And I think as well. She'd signed on when she was so young, she was a teenager. Her family were really involved. She was one of the very first artists that they had at Big Machine Records. She's certainly their most successful and I think they tried to make her feel as though like she owed them this deal even though it wasn't beneficial or good for her, and so she walked away went to another music group. As we know, the Masters thing kind of carried on for years and at that time wasn't as well known. But in twenty eighteen it did become a big deal. Oh my god, Taylor Swift wants more money from Universal. And what she was actually doing was making sure that this deal would impact smaller artists and musicians. And she said it at the time, she was like, I see it as a sign that we're heading towards positive change, a goal I'm not going to stop trying to help achieve in whatever ways I can. But she was very honest at the time that she was on her sixth seventh album, and she was like, I can speak up and be a voice for change, but younger artists can't. And she was like, what is the point of me, essentially, if I'm not going to stand my ground and have these arguments with record labels and Universal agreed. So they were one of the first to do it, and it does mean now when they're doing this sale, all of these other artists are gain and benefit massively, and I do think it's a testament today Swift. And I know a lot of people talk about her being a billionaire or like money grabbing, and at the time this deal was viewed very much as like, oh.
17:35
Speaker 1

She's just out for herself.
17:36
Speaker 3

But I do think she's one of those rare people in the music industry who isn't even though yes, she's going to benefit too, she does want other people to not go through what she went through.
17:46
Speaker 2

That's interesting thing because and I've said this before public on the podcast, So whether it's wrong or right, is that sometimes I feel like when she takes in the past, she has taken these big stands, it often kind of comes across like people really rally around her and celebrate her for some of the things she's done or when she said, but a lot of them. It sometimes feels like she just weighs on an issue when it's going to benefit her, and she tries to make it a universal thing. She's like, this man said this, you know, inappropriate thing to me, which also fair enough to be upset, and she's like, I'm going to take a stand, and everyone kind of rallies around her, and yeah, it's like, you know, oh, women's rights are that sort of thing. But at the same time, when you actually look at it from like a like a higher lens and kind of float above it, you're like, that was that was.
18:26
Speaker 1

Just for you.
18:27
Speaker 2

And saying the master's thing where I think for a long time there where she was like everyone felt like they were swept up in this big movement of like Taylor Swift getting her music back and it was this huge thing and it felt like a communal win every time she did it. But if you actually again looked at that, it was like, oh, no, it's just it's her, Like obviously.
18:43
Speaker 1

People are not. Everyone's going to own their masters. Yeah, and also like that's nice.
18:47
Speaker 2

It's like, you know, to feel good about what your favorite artist does and to feel involved in that, and I know that was a real sense of community around the Swifties. But then at the same time, yes, it always kind of felt like, oh, she'll speak on it, but only if it kind of comes back to her. But then I guess over the years she has kind of tried to, like when she spoke about politics and you know, tried to endorse like a different candidate, and she was like very aware that was like a bigger thing than her then. And I you know, obviously I know how much money she gives away and all that sorts of things, but you know, if you want to get on the weeds in it, it's kind of always felt like and that's what I hear a lot of you know, fans talk about the fact they love her music, but they wish she really stood for something.
19:23
Speaker 1

Outside of herself.
19:25
Speaker 2

But then also because of her branding and the way she kind of puts herself as this kind of like very inclusionary person, we all obviously expect more of her than other artists, particularly male artists. So it's a very weedy path. So you're kind of telling me that this was on because when I first heard of this, I only heard of it really top line, and I thought it was once again a thing of Taylor's lived coming out and like making sure that she has a win, making sure that she has her money, making sure that she's protected, and that being her first kind of priority, and then as a default, she's pulled other people in with her and she's being like overly celebrated. That's what I thought, But you're that that's not correct.
20:01
Speaker 3

Yeah, Look, my perspective on it is as you kind of said, there's been times like the Master's thing when she was releasing the Taylor's versions of albums. I liked it because I got new songs. Oh yeah, yeah, which I know, so fair enough selfish.
20:12
Speaker 1

And like fun as as fifty it was like.
20:14
Speaker 2

Transactional, like an artist you like is putting out content that you're willing to, like essentially buy the streaming and stuff.
20:20
Speaker 1

That's fair, that's just how business works.
20:21
Speaker 3

Yeah, But I very much saw that as like she did that because she it was personal to her.
20:26
Speaker 1

She wanted to own her own art.
20:27
Speaker 3

That's great, but it wasn't necessarily, like you said, the big moment that a lot of people built it up to be where everyone was going to benefit or everyone was going to succeed out of this. I do think though, when she did make this decision, there was a lot She actually received a lot of backlash at the time because she'd also previously like she took her music off of Apple Music in twenty fifteen. Yes, I remember that, and it was a whole big deal because Apple started doing like free trials essentially, and Taylor was like, well, how are people going to get paid if you're doing free trials? So then she took her music off temporarily, and then Apple agreed to still pay the artist despite the free trial periods, and she.
21:02
Speaker 1

Went back on.
21:02
Speaker 3

And I'd always taken her music off Spotify in twenty seventeen, like, so she'd done it a couple times in.
21:07
Speaker 2

Order, and I know those were framed if she was like, this doesn't make a difference to me, I'm doing this for other artists. Yeah, But was some part of it also because she's a business woman, and you don't become a billionaire without being very conscious of like keeping your money and making sure you're getting like squeezing money out of every little area that you can, like that's how you become rich. So was they also a part of her that was like I need to protect my own money, even though I don't need to at this stage, it's still money I'm losing. And then by default I will pull like I will help other artists out, which I'm sure the artists getting the money they don't care that she did it for herself and they're a byproduct.
21:40
Speaker 1

You'd be happy to take it.
21:41
Speaker 2

But it's just so interesting we always have to like she's a billionaire, and everyone still has to be like we have to protect the downtrodden kind of, you.
21:49
Speaker 3

Know, like yeah, yeah, And I do think at the time, like, for sure, those decisions like with Apple and Spotify in twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, definitely we're about protecting her assets and all of that. I do think the decision in twenty eighteen to sort of negotiate all of these terms with Universal because that wasn't the only agreement that they came to. But I do think that had a lot to do with the way she was feeling taken advantage of with big machine records. Yes, and yes, that is a lot to do with herself. But I do think she looked then at that point in time, this is like after she's been canceled. This is when people are hating her guts, and I do think she started to look more. It's also when she's getting to like reputation. That world tour was at the time the highest grossing tour of all time, Like it was a big deal in North America. So I do think she was at a very successful point, but also at a point where she recognized that she had a bit more power than she'd ever had before and finally got to negotiate something and look back at how she'd been treated by this independent record label and just wanted to do something that protected people. She's also had the same band her whole career. She's worked with a lot of the same production team, same songwriters, same people in her camp the entire time. And while they're really well taken care of, I think she also sees that like not a lot of people are, and she's about like when she was a songwriter back in Nashville, she would be in these like communities and people would be talking about how they got money from people buying like a Faith Hill song that they had worked on one time, and so she was like, that doesn't happen anymore. So I want songwriters to be better paid. It basically all came down to the whole songwriting element of how she sees herself rather than like the big pop stars and stuff. Did she benefit absolutely, and do people often yeah, compliment her when she does something just for herself and it ends up benefiting others.
23:28
Speaker 1

Absolutely.
23:28
Speaker 3

But I do think in this instance, like it is going to help a lot of people put food on the table and also remain in the industry a bit longer when you have deals that actually support the lower down people in music.
23:40
Speaker 1

And like I guess in terms of musical.
23:42
Speaker 3

Billionaires, I'm glad at least one of them is doing something better than other people.
23:45
Speaker 1

Yeah, exactly.
23:46
Speaker 2

And that's the thing I don't like when people like, look at Taylor Sitch and has to do these extremes of like she's a superhero, she's a super villain. Like, yeah, it's a bit in the middle. It's a bit in the middle. Like do I think anyone should be a billionaire?
23:56
Speaker 1

No? I don't.
23:57
Speaker 3

But also I do think she donates a lot of mine. You see it all the time. She doesn't come out and go look I did this, Like random charities will be like, hey, she just gave us a million bucks and you're like, oh sick.
24:07
Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah, Well, and you know the good news. I guess out of this might takeaway. She might have some sweet toy story.
24:11
Speaker 2

Money coming in. She might look she'll never be shy I of a dollar, Taylor Swift. But hey, maybe she'll help some people along the way. Well, we're still very much in the devil Weares prior to two weeks. The movie came out last week. We've got a special episode coming up this Friday about it. The movie, So it released this weekend. We're like number one at the box office across the world, as we thought it would be. Apparently it's going to go even further than projected with like the money it's making here the box office, because people are going to see it multiple times. And I love that and hopefully I don't know what it's going to take for studios to take notice, because it's like we have Barbie Breaks all the box office records, Wuthering Heights, love it or hate it, Women just wanted to get dressed up and go with their friends.
24:48
Speaker 1

Yeah, did amazingly crush the box office.
24:52
Speaker 2

And now the same thing, women are getting dressed up going to the movies.
24:54
Speaker 1

Like guys, are we seeing a pattern here? People like the movies.
24:57
Speaker 2

It's almost like women want to go and see women's stories at the movies.
25:01
Speaker 1

They can get dressed up and have a goddamn cocktail.
25:04
Speaker 2

Anyway, So, as we move through Devil Wears Prider Week, and I'm having a great time with everyone who's coming out and would work to share their thoughts and feelings and everything, something very interesting has happened, something historic. I would even go as far to say the real inspiration behind Emily Charlton, a character in the Devil West Prata who has been in three of the books and also now the two movies, the real woman behind her has come forward for the first time in decades. People have tried to work out who she was for years, and I'm sure people in the fashion and magazine industry knew, but she herself has never come out and said anything until now, until the movie has come out and so well received it to be said, there's a straight line there. So Leslie Freemar, who is a celebrity stylist and has been in the fashion industry for many decades, went on the Vogue podcast and talked to editorial director Chloe Mao because when Anna Wintle vacated, she wouldn't let anyone else be the editor of Vogue, said, she's the editorial director, but she is running the day to day operations at Vogue now as Anna win talk kind of move has moved into a more like overseeing role. And so she interviewed Leslie, and I know you've listened to this multiple times, right, this interview. Yeah, I couldn't get enough of it. I listened to it twice as well. It's been the thing all my group chats are talking about. And it's interesting because it wasn't supposed to be cutting in any way, but if you read between the lines.
26:26
Speaker 1

Oh yeah, there's some cutting lines.
26:28
Speaker 2

It's a bit of a savage story about Lauren Weisberger. So if anyone doesn't know, Lauren Weisberger is the author of The Devil Wears Prata and the sequel, The Devil Returns.
26:37
Speaker 1

And everyone keeps saying that this is the second book, but actually the.
26:39
Speaker 2

Third, When Life gives You Lu a Little, When Life gives You Lulu Levin's Crazy, which is Emily's story of her leaving Miranda and like getting pregnant and moving to the suburbs and like breaking up with her husband. It's nothing like the movies. Yeah you've said that. Yeah, I've not read this book. And then so here's the Lauren Weisberger that she was Anna Wintour's assistant well over many decades ago now, and she lasted about eight months in the second assistant chair, and we now know that Leslie was the first assistant at the time. So when she came on to do the podcast with Chloe, Chloe sort of says to her, like, why do you think you're the real Emily? And she's like, I don't think I know. And as she tells her story, it's interesting because Vogue was going to have a panel with past Vogue staffers that all could have been the Emily and they were going to sort of like have a discussion. And then Leslie, who doesn't really do anything like she works with celebs, and like, yes, she's Charlie's.
27:33
Speaker 1

There on style, Yeah, and she's style a lot of.
27:35
Speaker 2

Red carpet looks and things like that, but she's on a public face. And she had to sort of call Chloe and say, hey, I'm happy to come and talk and help.
27:42
Speaker 1

But it's going to be.
27:43
Speaker 2

Really clear if we all get on stage straight away that it's me.
27:46
Speaker 1

Yeah, that it's definitively me.
27:48
Speaker 2

I sat across from her, I said lines that are in the book, I know it's me, And so that idea is going to fall apart pretty quickly. And Soe said that she came on the podcast, Ye did you have a favorite reveal from Leslie? Although there was way too many, but I do think the clearest one, or like the best one to me is how she found out about the book. And also that's the clearest one that obviously, yes, the book was written about her, because even Anna Wintor knew the book was about to tell her. So can I tell the story please people who haven't listened. So obviously wide ranging podcast really really good. But in this part, she says she had moved on to be an assistant in a fashion department and then she gets a call from then Anna's new assistant to be like Anna needs to speak with you, and she was like, Anna never needs to speak with you, and also never needs to speak to an assistant. So she hustles on over there and Anna Wintour asks her who is this woman?
28:38
Speaker 1

Like who is this lady?
28:39
Speaker 3

And she's like, that was your assistant, and Anna Winter was like, I don't even know.
28:43
Speaker 2

Her, has no idea, Well, she has a lot of different assistants, and that she was only there for eight months, and I'm sure maybe she'd seen her.
28:50
Speaker 1

She would have, yeah, but she.
28:51
Speaker 2

Called her and she was just like, who is Lauren Weisberger? And it was so funny because Grace Cottington, who's a really famous Vogue editor who worked really closely if Anna and that team, wrote in her own book that no one could remember Lauren when brutal so focused so funny about it. She's like, none of us could picture this, and she's like, I guess Anna's assistants were always, you know, just these bobbing, faceless heads outside her office that you would talk to. But like, Leslie is really the only one who has any memory of her.
29:20
Speaker 1

Yeah.
29:21
Speaker 3

And so it's obvious enough when Anna has read this, you know, the initial draft of the book to her that the Emily character is Leslie, because she calls Leslie into her office asks her who Lauren is, and then Anna Wintour says, oh, she's written a book about us, and you come off far worse than me.
29:36
Speaker 2

That is the interesting thing that Leslie says in this interview, is that they received the galley, which is the very very early stages of a book where things are subject are changed, and she said, she it's so funny, Chloe. He's like, did you run outside straight away and read it. She's like, no, I had to back and do and finish my work. And I was like, life, Emily, I mean maybe because she's like, we probably had a big shoot that day.
29:58
Speaker 1

That was me.
29:59
Speaker 2

I would have run straight to some hidden corner and I would have read that book under my desk all day. She said, she waited till she got home at night. Okay, if you've got more will power than me, and she said the first iteration of the book was so mean and much more true to life, because what she's saying has happened is that Lauren took a writing class and they said write what you know, and apparently she wrote it as a memoir, and then they wanted to fictionalize it, and then the fictionalized version was really really mean to everyone who worked at Vogue Tour, to the Leslie character who became Emily, and then the editors who worked with her toned it right down to the book that went on the shelves. The Devil Wears Prada, which is interesting because that book does skew very not mean, but it's like the Miranda Priestley character.
30:43
Speaker 1

Have you read the book?
30:44
Speaker 3

No?
30:44
Speaker 1

Oh, okay, I wouldn't. Sorry, no, I wouldn't invite.
30:48
Speaker 2

If you're going to read a Lauren Weisberger book, I've got I've got a better recommendation. She read, She wrote some good books. She writes a fun book to have by the pool on holiday. I've read, Yeah, like Last Night at Chateau my Mond chasing Harry Winston. Yeah, The Devil is proud of Like the idea is good obviously because it went on to spawn this incredible thing. But the plot's a bit thin. There's no memorable one liners, Like, it's not a witty book. And also the character of Miranda Priestley is like a caricature. Yeah, all the layers that she has in the movie don't exist in the book.
31:21
Speaker 1

She's just a nasty woman.
31:22
Speaker 3

Well. I found that interesting because Leslie said she was able to watch the movie and she found the movie really enjoyable. She was like, it's really glamorous, but there's more like empathy and the people are more well rounded than we saw in that initial galley and then even in the book that got published, Like, that's crazy to me that you can know that this is about you and you see it is really mean, but then you see the on screen portrayal and like, yeah, you like Emily and you like Miranda. I don't have way more nuance than I'm guessing they have in the book.
31:47
Speaker 2

No, in the book, they just kind of mean girls. Like, yeah, I mean Emily and Andrea hang out a little bit more in the book, but she's still pretty mean to her. And like, yeah, the Miranda character is very kind of just like she's a nasty person. Yeah, she's just like this little talk about her being this little bird like creature, which I guess is very Anna Wintle coded who just like stalks into the office. Yeah, they make a lot of there's a lot in the book about what There's like a whole chapter devoted to what she eats, which apparently is also very Anna winto because she likes steak and potatoes and Starbucks and ice cream. And that's a huge cry in the book. So sometimes Lauren Weisberger was I think just typing out her day. But the end is very different, Like it still ends with Andrea like walking away from her, but there's no nuance with Miranda having like that breakdown scene in the hotel room, like that's to the movie with the no makeup where she kind of like drops the facade and there's no like, you know, Andrea, everyone wants to be out.
32:36
Speaker 1

It's like this is the sacrifice.
32:37
Speaker 2

It's just her screaming at her, yeah, and just screaming at her. And then it's like very anti climactic with Andy like calling the office and being like can I still get my flight home?
32:46
Speaker 1

They're like, no, I'm not going to leave you strand there.
32:47
Speaker 2

You can get your flight home, and it's just like, oh, kind of anticlimactic.
32:51
Speaker 1

Yeah. The end.
32:52
Speaker 3

I do think it's really interesting, like, oh forgot The whole thing is so interesting. But one of the parts that made me go, oh, you are Emily is that Leslie explains like the Lauren person slash Andy character, and she was like the reason that I found it like interesting in the book is like I don't remember Lauren ever being a star on the rise. Yeah, but she's pretty much like that didn't happen. And then she explains like Lauren probably thought I was a bitch because I had to do her job for her because she was and she's like she was probably just sitting around writing her book, I guess, but she pretty much is like that girl never did her job and hated it there. And so yes, I used to snap at her because she wouldn't do her job, and I was like.
33:29
Speaker 1

WHOA to me?
33:30
Speaker 2

That was the most telling moment from this revelation from the real Emily from the Devilwars Prider. And can I say I've talked to a lot of people who have listened to this interview, and a lot of people have said, like, she comes across as classic Emily. She comes across as a mean girl for saying that, And can I just say team Leslie on that one.
33:46
Speaker 1

I thought classic Emily in a good way.
33:48
Speaker 2

Yeah, they're saying she's too mean, Yeah, that she was being mean about Lauren. Everyone closed ranks against Lauren when she wrote this book, to the point where that's why the company line is like we don't know who Lauren Weisberger is.
34:01
Speaker 1

And the Devil Wears prior like the first.
34:03
Speaker 2

Premiere, the one that was in New York, apparently, you know how like they have a host camp on stage and kind of greet everyone a paving. The host was like, you know how they got round the room like this person's here, this person's here. They were like Anna Wintour is here, as is the author of the book, and no they're not sitting together.
34:17
Speaker 1

And everyone was like whoa because they were in the same room. But also, I have this now.
34:22
Speaker 2

I think that this has been scrubbed from the internet, but I swear to God I read this quote when The Devil Wears Pride. It came out, but I've gone to look for it so many times and I can't find it. So I think that it was written in a magazine and it's been destroyed. Yeah, but I swear to God that Meryl Streep in an interview, they asked what she thought of Lauren Weisberger and she was like, if I was her, I would have spent more time learning from Anna Wintour than writing a book.
34:45
Speaker 1

That's just me. Now.
34:47
Speaker 2

That is not maybe not the kind of thing Meryl Street would say, And maybe I'm paraphrasing, but I feel like she says that in an innuay you have like.
34:54
Speaker 3

A pretty what is you don't have like a photographic memory, but you have pretty similar.
34:58
Speaker 1

I have a photograph of memory for so things.
35:00
Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, that'll help me in life. But I swear to god, I read that quotally magazine. Yeah, and some person obviously didn't upload it to the internet or it was it's been screet internet.
35:11
Speaker 1

But I feel like that was just the vibe.
35:12
Speaker 2

But yeah, I was very much on Leslie's side because she really cared about fashion. She talked about the fact that she had come from Canada and she had really had to fight her way into this job, and she was working like all that stuff you see in the movie about she was told she had to be in the office at seven point thirty.
35:29
Speaker 3

She moved closer to the office so she could be there on time and stay late.
35:33
Speaker 1

I was sleeping in.
35:33
Speaker 2

That office, so she had to be there at seven thirty in the morning. Yeah, with all of Anna's like books and papers, all that stuff you seen the devil was part of them. Putting him in a fan on her on her desk is all real. And then she had to wait around for the book again things we know from the movie. She had to wait around for the book till like ten o'clock at night, and so she's working these crazy hours she gets promoted to first assistant. They she hires Lauren Wiseberger, who has come from a very prestigious university and is very educated. This is sorry, I mean we know that that's a fact. She did come from a prestigious She was in the ivy leagues in America, so like super educated. And she said, from the moment Lauren got to Vogue, she was just like, I'm too good to be here, yeah, and I don't want to be here. And she had and she said she just wouldn't do her work, and so Leslie had to do all of her work for her. And that's where the resentment grew. And that's where the character of Emily from The Devil Wes Pridact came from her resentment.
36:25
Speaker 1

And I'm just like, if you've worked in a creative.
36:26
Speaker 2

Industry, everyone knows that feeling of having to do the work for someone else. Yeah, but there's no way to kind of track it a lot of the time publicly. Yeah.
36:33
Speaker 3

And it also reframes because she says, she's like, I absolutely told her a million girls would kill for this job, yeah, And like it reframes that to an extent too, Like she is of the opinion that Lauren's come in just to write this book and was wasting time and not doing her job, And it's like, yeah, you probably would say something.
36:48
Speaker 1

To that effect if you're at Vogue at.
36:50
Speaker 3

That point in time too, Like insane budgets all of that, So many career opportunities, which there still are with Vogue of course.
36:57
Speaker 1

But like the more that it's changed.
36:58
Speaker 3

At that point in time, that was the place to go if you wanted a career in journalism. You could get anything, and like Meryl Streeps or alleged quotes saying if you put in me with.
37:08
Speaker 1

The Meryl Streeps slander, will they even say? Like in podcasts?
37:11
Speaker 3

The first assistant before Leslie moved up went on to become the entertainment editor at Vogue it for years and years and years and is a very successful and respected journalist. Like you, Yeah, you could build a career off of being that assistant.
37:24
Speaker 2

I think back then that was the job one hundred girls would kill for and it probably still is. Yeah, Like I know it still is, Like Vogue still carries a lot of weight, and being an assistant is how you get into that pool. So I think that was Leslie's kind of like and we see that dynamic in the book, but we see it in a different way from Andy's perspective, which is Lauren's perspective of her just not coming into this, like what she's thinking is like a plumb job and not doing any work, but like secretly writing her book under the desk, which is the allegation that Vogue has not been able to prove. And also Leslie also said that she took a writing test for Vogue and was rejected, which is in becau. Lauren Weisberger had some writing published in Vogue recently interesting and everyone was like, look, the woman.
38:04
Speaker 1

Who was turned away from Vogue.
38:06
Speaker 2

All she had to go do was write a tell all memoir that gets turned into iconic film series and she finally got in.
38:11
Speaker 3

It's also kind of interesting then that like a subplot of The Devil wes Prata too, is the idea that Andy might write a tell all memoir.
38:18
Speaker 1

Okay, that was.
38:18
Speaker 2

Such a quote when I went and saw because I saw that first part of the movie before I went and did The Devil West prior of interviews, and in the theater I was seeing there was like four other journals. I went because I'm like, that was such a Lauren Weisberger burn Yeah, where they were like, what is she going to do? Go write a tell a memoir about her boss? Ha ha as if that's the worst thing you could do. And I was like, that is literally why we're all sitting here, Yeah, because someone did that. But it's kind of become like, it's interesting because Anna Wintour like could have come out of all of this looking like the villain, but she's come out looking like the hero because everyone's like, we love Miranda Priestley, we love Meryl Street, we love this movie, and by default, we love and a wind Tour for being a part of this and that's why she's lent into it. And then Lauren Weisberger has become the kind of like, obviously she's published so many books and she's doing really well, but she has kind of become the punchline when she was initially set up to be the hero, which I find so interesting. And I just find like Leslie's perspective on Anna so different from someone who was just came in with like kind of no emotion, very ambitious because she talks about the fact that Anna was like very much like no personal chat. We're all here to work, and she works like that and she's very comfortable in that setting.
39:28
Speaker 1

Can't relate to that, can't relate but I love that story she told where.
39:33
Speaker 2

So Leslie who was giving the interview, the real Emily is from Canada, and so she was being sponsored by Vogue, a biolized Clark that's a fake company by Conde, asked to work at Vogue. And she got a call one day from the Vogue human resources team to say they were no longer sponsoring anyone, so they weren't going to like do her next visa, and so she basically had to leave the country and lose her job. And she said that she was just hysterically sobbing, something she's never done before, but she was so upset and fair enough, and she said that An she didn't know Anna was going to be in the office that day. All of a sudden, Anna Wintour walks in and I don't know why this is so funny to me. She's like, Anna was clearly uncomfortable, and she just walked away. She just walked into her office. But then she waited a few minutes called her in and I love how Leslie did her. Anna Wintour's voice she said she tried to like kind of do like half a British accident.
40:19
Speaker 1

She was like, Leslie, why are you crying?
40:21
Speaker 2

Looks so angry, but also just like can't not angry, but just like so flabbergasted that someone in her office would be showing emotion. And so Leslie told her and she was like, Anna Wintle' was like, oh my god, go sit down and stop crying for God's sake.
40:32
Speaker 1

And then Anna Wintour just called.
40:34
Speaker 2

All of a sudden, this man appeared in the office who's like the head of human resources.
40:38
Speaker 1

And Anna Wintour is like.
40:39
Speaker 2

Ci, my assistant is crying, and in her head, she's like and that's the worst thing anyone could ever do.
40:45
Speaker 1

In front of me.
40:46
Speaker 2

She's like, can you please just get her a visa? Just go and sword it. And he's like, yeah, that's fine. And so she got to stay in America. And now she credits this whole huge fashion career that she's had to Anna Wintour just telling her to stop crying.
40:57
Speaker 3

And fair enough, It's like, yeah, I do think I thought the little insights were interesting. It's also so interesting because Chloe's the one interviewing her. Yeah, and Chloe, like everyone who is online and has seen the pair of them together in recent interviews, is intrigued by the Chloe Anna relationship and like.
41:12
Speaker 1

Oh, I don't know. I want to from Chloe so bad.
41:15
Speaker 3

Yeah, and like little things right, like Leslie was like, well, you can't ask her questions and Chloe's like yeah yeah, and then then.
41:21
Speaker 1

She's like I'm living that in real time. It's like real And.
41:23
Speaker 3

They're talking about like the book and like the little like wheel seas, which was apparently like little posters or like seams, which was little posters that Anna would put on to be like email this person, tell them to come see me.
41:33
Speaker 1

I don't like this bro. Little things like that.
41:35
Speaker 3

It was so interesting to see like Leslie talking about a career she had twenty years ago and Chloe talking about the career she has now and then both just relating to like Anna's anaysms, but also revealing that like a lot of the things don't come from Anna herself. Yeah, that was interesting. They were like, she's not the one who says you can't take bathroom breaks. It's just like something that's been passed down.
41:55
Speaker 1

Yeah, it's been passed down. Yeah.
41:56
Speaker 2

The other thing I thought was really interesting was a reveal that came right to the end, and it was the question that Chloe asked her, which was like, have you have you who plays Emily and The Devil Wears Prata? Have you ever met Emily Blunt? And the answer was yes, because of course she's a celebrity stylist, so she's in that world. And she even Leslie said she always thought about what she would say if she ever met the person who had played her on screen and turned her into this iconic character, even though no one knew that she was the real Emily. So she said she was at a dinner one night at a mutual friend's house and she was like, this is my moment. Emily Blunt's right there. We're on this, We're on even ground. I'm not coming up to an event, We're at a mutual friend's house. We're both here as equals. And then she said to her as they were chatting, I just need to let you know that I am the real Emily. And to be so fair a Leslie, I would have done the exact same thing.
42:44
Speaker 1

Who wouldn't You're telling Emily.
42:46
Speaker 2

Blunt that her most iconic role, her first big role, that blew up her career is based on you. I would have dropped that and just been like, like, she she's gonna lose her mind. And apparently Emily Blunt couldn't care less. She said oh and just like went on with the conversation. Now did she not hear her or have so many people in the fashion industry said things like that to her before trying to have an in with her? She was like, oh, or was she maybe like and maybe like alarms went up and she was like, Oh, is this woman gonna say to me at my friend's house like she didn't like my portrayal because she plays her really nasty in a funny way.
43:21
Speaker 1

Is she gonna like.
43:22
Speaker 2

Ask me, you know some sort of like inside a question? Does she know something? She worked with the woman who wrote this book and like everyone I know doesn't like that woman, like it was a lot so or does she just is Emily Blunt so cool? She just genuinely did not care.
43:35
Speaker 3

I feel like Emily Blunt just doesn't care. I really like it, but sometimes intrigues me.
43:41
Speaker 2

I can't believe that because if you met any person, like if you met the person who was the real person behind a role you played as an actor.
43:49
Speaker 1

Wouldn't you be interested in that? I ignore people would Yeah, I know.
43:53
Speaker 2

Some actors don't like to meet the person because they don't want the lines to be blur, they don't want to feel like they can't show them in their worse or they don't want to sort of like do a parody of a person. Yeah, but like that shit is sailed like she did it for the first time twenty years ago. Yeah, Devil was prior to too, wasn't filmed at the time. But also there was no inkling that Devil's product she was ever gonna happen. Yeah, I just want and I'm sure someone will ask Emily Blunt the next time she does a lot of press, and I'm so interested in her answer that. Yeah, it's almost like you feel bad for Leslie.
44:22
Speaker 3

Like it would have just been at least nice, Like as much as I think she people really like the Emily character and stuff she does.
44:29
Speaker 1

Speak about it at the.
44:30
Speaker 3

Time, like people in the industry all knew that it was based on her and her being really scared of how she'd be perceived or if she'd be hired again, or what would happened to her career based on this version of the history they went through together. And she also says like Lauren never called her, Lauren never gave her a heads up, like they have not spoken since, so it's not like how Andy and Emily got along in the end. That's not what has happened here. So she's kind of gone through that never outed herself, goes up to the woman who played her, thinking, oh, we can at least have a nice discussion, and she just.
44:56
Speaker 1

Gets like kind of ghosted. I don't know that would suck. I think Emily Blunch probably reconsider talking to her about that.
45:04
Speaker 3

Well.
45:04
Speaker 2

It's such an interesting interview, and we'll link the whole thing in our show notes.
45:07
Speaker 1

Because we've only sort of scratched the surface. There's a lot more in there. So good.
45:10
Speaker 3

Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. Don't forget to follow us on socials. We will pop all of the links in the show notes. We will be back in your feed bright and early tomorrow morning with morning Tea hosted by Ash London. The Spill is produced by Minisihaswarren, with video production by Michael King.
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Speaker 1

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You're listening to Amma mea podcast. Good Morning Angels, Happy Monday. A brand new week is upon us, and what a weekend it was. I'm Ash London and I have been trawling through the celebrity news since dawn because I love you that much. Today and the Met Gala is hours away, and there is a ten million dollar controversy you need to know about before it kicks off. The Beckham family feud has hit a painful new low. Zane Malick is unwell and has canceled the entire US tour. Now The Devil was prior to two casts have already been teasing, well kind of teasing a third film, and The Rock got pulled over by police after celebrating Emily Blunt and Stanley Tucci. Happy Monday. Let's pull the tea Tonight is the Met Gala fashions the biggest night, and before the looks start rolling in, it would appear a certain controversy is reaching boiler point. This is honorary co chairs are lead financial sponsors Jeff Bezos and his wife Lauren Sanchez, who reportedly paid at least ten million dollars to take on the role alongside Beyonce Nicole Kidman, Venus Williams, and of course and a Winter. Tickets to the event are one hundred thousand dollars each, a table three hundred and fifty thousand. Buying your way in the uprationans of fashion presseless. The backlash has been significant. Posters reading boycott the Bezos and Metgala have been plastered across New York City, with criticciting Amazon's alleged compliance with ice work in mistreatment and the optics of a billionaire buying his way into fashion's most prestigious night. New York City's mayor has already announced he will skip it entirely, and a Winter has defended the decision, of course, but we can all see what's happening here. She's no doubt mortified by the whole situation, But ten million dollars in this economy is ten million dollars. Next up, the Beckham family saga continues, and at this point, well, it was already sad, but now it's just even sadder. So Dave I'd Beckham celebrated his fifty first birthday over the weekend. Victoria, Romeo, Cruzen Harper all posted warm tributes. Brooklyn posted nothing not a word, and he also stayed silent during Victoria's birthday last month. David's post was typically gracious, writing he felt lucky and blessed and I mentioned in Brooklyn Victoria gifted him chickens for the Cotswold estate, which is the most posh spice gift imaginable and I love them for it. If you've ever wondered what to give the man that has everything, chickens is the answer. Zaan Malik has now canceled his entire US leg of the Conical tour, and the news has understandably worried fans. Zam was hospitalized on the same day that his new album dropped on April seventeen, posting a photo of himself in a hospital gown without disclosing the nature of his illness. This week, he posted I've been in home, recovering and doing well and will be better and stronger than before, before announcing twenty one US shows have been axed, UK and Mexico dates remain for now. This comes on top of the counciled Netflix documentary with Lee Tomlinson and a genuinely turbulent few weeks. Whatever is going on healthwise, we hope he feels better soon when we return The Devil Wets prior of two carts have dropped hints about a third film. The Rock had a very embarrassing run in with the Law and the early two thousands boy band duet that we never knew but absolutely knew we needed has arrived. Welcome back to morning tea. Now. The film has only been incigmes three days and has already made two hundred and thirty four million dollars globally, and Meryl Streep and Hathaway and Emily Blunt have already been asked about what it would take to make a third Devil Wears prior film. Streep said, immediately the script. Blunt agreed, a good script. It's all about the script, and then Anne Hathaway added, everyone has to say yes. It's got to be the core four, three of them plus Stanley Tucci and Merril added one final condition. They have to be alive. I refuse to believe that Meryl Streep is seventy six. She will never die, she will live forever. Amen. The Rock attended Emily Blunt and Stanley Tucciy's Hollywood or Fame ceremony on Thursday, delivered a heartfelt speech, then got pulled over by police on the way home for tinted windows on his Porsche KM. He stepped out calmly in a crisp white shirt and cream trousers, handed over his license and registration and was issued a ticket. Kevin Hart immediately told Paparrizzi he was the one who called the police before clarifying it was a joke and called the rock a piece of shit for good measure, nothing like a couple of mates ripping each other and finally something for the og boy band fans. En Sync member Joey Fortone was performing at a gala off at the Kentucky Derby of the weekend and invited to the stage bandmate Lamps Bass, Backstreets, Howie and Brian and even Despisido singer Lewis Fonsi. Who Joey fotone you in high school? They performed a bit of a medley I wanted that way and bye bye bye from Endzinc. It's too much. I can't handle it. Millennials, Hey feeling and that is it for me. My loves with the gals. You back in your feeds at three pm with this bill for your entertainment. Dick Dive. Wanting To is hosted and produced by me Ash London with executive producer manishia Is Warrent. Make sure you follow this Wheel podcast on Instagram at TikTok to stay up to date with all the latest entertainment news and Wanting To will be back to get you caught up on all the latest celebrity headlines tomorrow morning. Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have recorded this podcast on the Gatigor people of the eorination. 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It’s a sports show, a family mess, a workplace comedy, and a rom-com experiment all at once — and somehow we’re still fully invested. We unpack why Isla Gordon is such a compelling disaster of a lead, why Season 2 pushes her even further into chaos, and why we can’t decide if we want to be her or run from her.

We get into the love triangle that keeps collapsing under its own “perfect vs passion” logic, why Lev stops feeling so perfect this season, and how Coach Jay suddenly becomes a lot more interesting than expected. Plus, the friendship storyline that quietly becomes the emotional centre of the entire season, Cam’s slow villain energy, and the cameos that feel like Mindy Kaling collecting icons for fun.

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From MoMA Mia. Welcome to This Spill, your daily pop culture fix.

00:05Speaker 2

I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm and Benham and welcome to a.

00:08Speaker 1

Very special episode of This Spill. We have been just hanging out to do this since we heard that this show was being made on Netflix, So welcome to our brutally honest review of Running Points Season two. I love this show, me too.

00:24Speaker 2

I love this show so much.

00:25Speaker 3

We talked about it, I think for a week in watch and a bit when the show started in season one when they had season one, but we never did a brially honest review in season one.

00:33Speaker 1

No, I know we didn't mind, Mae, because we did three episodes leading up. Well.

00:36Speaker 3

I think there was also a lot of content happening around the same time, and also not a lot of people were talking about it. I remember we were like, are we the only ones watching this? Because we really wanted to do a brilliant review and we thought not enough people were watching it to be interested in really interview. And then when Netflix put out their numbers for that year and Running Point was so high on the list of being like one of their most watch shows, we were like, oh, we have to do it.

00:59Speaker 2

For season two.

01:00Speaker 1

Yes, and so season two debuted about a week ago and ever since then it's been number one on Netflix in Australia for multiple, multiple days. So we know you crazy kids are watching it because you listen to us.

01:10Speaker 2

Make your last week.

01:11Speaker 1

Yeahs all these running points, super fans, No, I mean I feel like it sells itself. I mean it's a comedy starring Kate Hudson created by Mindy Kaling. Like the show sells itself.

01:20Speaker 2

It's like literally the perfect Vendi.

01:22Speaker 1

Yeah. So that was our initial attraction to the show. Well, when I heard Kate Hudson doing like a proper TV show for the first time comedy, I was in obviously the Mindy Kaling of it all, but also that it was so many of the creative team like Ike Baron Holtz, who co created the show with Mindy Kaling. It was so many of the same creative team from one of our joint favorite TV shows of all time, The MINDI Project. The Mind Guys, if you haven't watched The Mindy Project yet after all these years, what are you doing?

01:53Speaker 3

I even think And this might be an unpopular opinion that like the funniest funniest parts in running point, the show barely even touches the surface of how funny Mindy Project is, But you can so tell which jokes Mindy and Ike have written compared to the other writers on the show, because it's so like, specifically that really smart, quick sense of humor that they had on the Mindy Project. And it's so interesting because I'm looking at Kate's character in this show, she plays Isla Gordon, and I'm like, your character would have fitted perfectly within the Mindy Kayling universe in the Mindy Project.

02:27Speaker 1

Yeah, exactly.

02:28Speaker 2

That's the thing.

02:29Speaker 1

Running point is very much I guess, like almost like the Little Sister of the MINDI Project, Like it's it's fun, but it's not. And I say this myself, who as a little sister's it's like great and fun, but just not quite.

02:41Speaker 2

As good as the original. I my younger sister to put it. As an oldest girl, I love that.

02:49Speaker 1

Well. The thing is, I'm not trying to diminish it, but the thing is, like, in my humble opinion, nothing else that Mindy Kaling has come close to being as perfect and hilarious as the MINDI Project. But that's not saying how the work is an incredible. It's like the MINDI project is like lightning at a bottle, Like you can't recreate it, you can't move it over to other projects. It's just like that bar is like in the Heaven.

03:11Speaker 3

It's like perfect humor, perfect storyline, perfect cast.

03:15Speaker 1

But it doesn't mean her other TV shows aren't great. It's like that's a special thing all of itself. So in season one, we were introduced to the Gordon family and the character of Isla Gordon, who was played by Kate Hudson, who's based on a real woman who took over Do you not know that?

03:28Speaker 3

I feel like I kind of I think you told me in season one and I had the same reaction.

03:33Speaker 1

Like what, I actually love this that I can tell you the same facts like multiple times and you'll give me a great reaction each time.

03:40Speaker 3

Because I think the first time you told me, I was like, oh, yeah, she's based on the Murdoch family, like Terry Boys.

03:46Speaker 1

Well, yeah, based on a woman who took over a family NBA team and like rows up the ranks to be like a really high like player in the National Basketball League in America, But a lot of it is fictionalized in terms of like all the party of girls stuff, brother going to jail, little legitimate child, like, all that stuff is just like a Mindy Kaling oh creation. So in season when we introduced to Aila Gordon, who I loved. She's like a messed up party girl heiress who was always just kind of on the outs of this extreme family business of owning this LA basketball team. And when her oldest brother Cam played by Justin Threw, and Justin Throw he loves a quirky role. Yeah, he's so good at them, just like he did the same thing in Devils prior to He's done the same thing so many times of the year.

04:30Speaker 2

But he has such like a serious demeanor.

04:33Speaker 1

Yeah, he looks so serious. He looks like a brooding heart.

04:36Speaker 2

He's really serious and scary.

04:37Speaker 1

And inside is just a little quirky character actor just waiting to get out. So he went to rehab and there was all this terrible stuff.

04:44Speaker 2

So that's not Justin Throw his character. Yeah, although maybe his method I don't know.

04:48Speaker 1

I don't know what he does in his spare time, probably running point method for imagine.

04:53Speaker 2

Telling the police.

04:54Speaker 1

I just I'm in this Many Kaling show. I started to my character, He's like, you guys, get it right, like absolutely not, You're going to jail. So we saw Eila take over the family business and have to kind of like prove herself to her brothers and also the basketball team.

05:09Speaker 2

And at the same time, she was.

05:11Speaker 1

In a relationship with lev played by Max Greenfield, who I love and adore so much.

05:16Speaker 3

His character is so similar to his character and your girl.

05:20Speaker 1

Oh really, I think opposite?

05:22Speaker 2

No way, How are they? How are they similar?

05:25Speaker 1

Because both love green juice. Okay, you're just that's literally every white man in LA.

05:31Speaker 3

They're both they're both obsessed with their partner, like he's obsessed.

05:34Speaker 1

With her, Yeah, but in a different way like he he Schmidt because if you haven't seen you girl, also, if you haven't seen you girl, also what are you doing?

05:41Speaker 2

So many recommendations?

05:42Speaker 1

That is also a top top tier comedy. Here's character of Schmidt on that is just one of those breakout stars from like one of those ensemble comedies that is like such a kind of like an individual thing that can't be recreated. Whereas Levins, like he does have that same kind of lovable energy. I guess that Schmidt does. But I think that's just Screenfield in general, because and hiss like a little smile. Again, that's just Max Greenfield's face, because whatever, Schmid's so like neurotic.

06:09Speaker 2

Yeah, but I feel like, you know, I'm gonna stick to my guy. Okay, you similar like.

06:14Speaker 3

I when I was watching him in Running Point, I'm like, I couldn't take Schmid out of my head. Maybe that's just because he is that character.

06:21Speaker 1

Yeah, well he does kind of create that character.

06:24Speaker 3

And like when you watch New Girl, it's hard to like separate them both. Yeah, but I do think he was perfectly cast for this role.

06:31Speaker 1

Well, the thing is, they wanted her love interest to kind of like again be a bit out of like this like every other all the other men in the show, like a bit douchey but also really power, like hungry with secrets and stuff. And Lev is meant to be sort of like this outside world of like an opposites of track, like iile agorded as this rich, kind of messed up woman who is also like a big theme of also season two was like she's a bad person, which is, you know, the whole kind of like thing that we see her go through, and Lev was kind of like this all too good to be true, nice doctor who cares about his family and cares about her and gives her second chances and like makes her coffee in the morning, and it's just always there in the background. And that's a very common rom com trope, which indicating loves to take a rom com troop and like put it in the show, but then like play off it in a bigger storyline because it's his idea of like, this is the perfect guy, but I'm not in love with him, as we find out in this season, and I can't force on paper he's perfect, but there's no like fire, yeah, which.

07:28Speaker 3

We kind of saw towards the end of season one where she kisses Jay like coach j Coach also very hot and attractive, but it was one of those storylines where you weren't like overtly rooting for them because Lev is such a good guy as well, yeah, and you like love them both so much, so it was very much like up to I guess her discretion on what she would do, and the audience would just like back whatever decision she made. And then I think that's where like season one ended, was her kissing Jay after Jay announcid he's moving to Boston and leaving the team, as well as us finding out that Justin Thurrow's character Cam is not as good as he seems.

08:10Speaker 1

Yes, because you thought at the in season one that he had, even though he'd done some bad things, that he had picked Eyelight to take over the family business because he really believed believe her. He was giving her a chance. It's only because he thought she would fail huge plot twists. In fact, Mindy Kayling said recently that they put a huge amount of cliffhangers at the end of season one of Running Point, because she's like, You've got to do that on a Netflix show. You've got to fill the last episode with cliffhangers so that the people at Netflix are forced to go, oh, okay, we'll do a second season then. And I was like, Mindy Kelling, just so you know, that only works for you. Yeah, when you have a TV show starring Kate Hudson. Do you know how many shows Netflix cancels famously, things like.

08:50Speaker 2

The Society mind Hunters. Yeah, exactly. They ruined people's lives.

08:55Speaker 1

They don't care if there's a plot twist at the end, they will cancel that shit. Even if either you end on the biggest plot twist ever and everyone's like oh again, like a society, they'll just be like cut sorry, it's good. Sorry. Sometimes Mindy Kelly doesn't know her privilege.

09:09Speaker 2

Oh my god, she's.

09:10Speaker 1

Out there being like me, playing a fun little game Netflix this little thing.

09:15Speaker 2

Yeah.

09:15Speaker 1

So again, that's why they ended season two on a plot twist that we'll get to because is like it's probably gonna get picked up, but it's at the time of recording, it's not official, but Mindy Kellings knows what she's doing.

09:26Speaker 2

It has to be a picked up. It will be. It has to be.

09:29Speaker 1

You don't cancel Kate Hudson's show. Ah, so we pick up in season two.

09:35Speaker 3

Yeah, we pick up in season two with Cam having been out of rehab and surprising the family. He's back in their office and he's like sitting in the islids like now, I guess his old office and that has made her own, and he asks for his job back now because she CEO. She's like, are you okay with working under me?

09:55Speaker 1

And he's huge when you're the big brother and like the patriarch of the family.

09:59Speaker 2

Exactly, and he was like yes, yes, yes, And then her other brothers are so excited to have him back.

10:05Speaker 3

And the beginning, we just see like Cam trying to merge himself with the family while also the audience know that he's not there on good terms for himself, Like we know he has like this underlining message he wants to like delivered to them, and we're trying.

10:17Speaker 2

To figure out what his play is. Yeah.

10:19Speaker 1

Yeah.

10:19Speaker 3

At the same time anyway, as that's happening, we also are with Eiler while she tries to find a new coach for their team, which is actually so funny, Like I found all the interview processes I did for the coaches were so funny. Ray Romano, Yeah kill that role.

10:39Speaker 1

I know, so good and so funny the way he because he was talking about getting the role when you're very Romano like he's just so humble, but also he knows his worth. He's like, my people told me that Mindy Kayling you want to be for a role, and I was like, yeah, I know him, Mindy Kaling, she's funny, I'll do it. And then he's it's so funny because he's also like I guess people just think he's just a bit of a comedy kind of person, but he's also like white an actory actor. Yeah, he's like, no, no, but normally I have to because apparently they're like, oh great, we're shooting next week. So he got the call and they booked him and they're like, oh great, so be on set next week. And he was like, wait, an actor needs time to prepare. He's like I usually like because I give myself a backstory and I think about it and I do research and.

11:15Speaker 2

All this topic.

11:16Speaker 1

I was like, oh my god, Ray Romano preparing for his roles is like someone make a documentary about that.

11:21Speaker 2

It's so bad.

11:22Speaker 3

And then like Ike Barnhost is probably like, this is a Mindy Kaling show.

11:25Speaker 2

You don't need to be doing.

11:26Speaker 1

So apparently he started researching like famous NBA coaches. And it's even weird that even I know this name, Greg Popovich, who was the San Antonio Spur, like a famous coach.

11:36Speaker 2

I don't know this.

11:37Speaker 1

Why don't it must have been it must have been referenced in like movies or something. Probably I didn't know what team he was and I've just heard that name. Maybe it's one of those names because he How many famous coaches are they? I'm sure in America heaps, but how many famous coaches names get used in TV?

11:50Speaker 2

Shows and movies.

11:51Speaker 1

That's true, so he modeled himself off him. Oh and that's a fun fact for the sports fans. And I just will clarify that's the last fun sports factor.

11:58Speaker 2

Okay, no sports fact. I had my mind and I just used it. I loved his character.

12:03Speaker 3

I love that his character had the potential to be so serious, but then the other characters pull him out of it. Like there's so many points where he tries to bring up his late wife who passed away, and all the other characters is like, we.

12:16Speaker 2

Don't have to. They're like, yeah, for your wife, caresn for your wife. Let's go.

12:21Speaker 1

I know. It's so funny because the thing is he does sentimental so well. So he has all those like when he comes in for his meeting, like he has all these like kind of bumbling moments. But then when you see like, yeah, he tells a story about his late wife, but then also knowing that he left his playbook behind. And I love the thing between him and Marcus where AILA's like you have to make him feel like your main girl. Raymond is like, I know his name's not Raymond over, you don't He's like, yeah, I get it.

12:45Speaker 2

I get it.

12:45Speaker 3

Like Marcus, You're my main girl, and Marcus is like, who's like the star player, He's like okay.

12:50Speaker 1

Gets thrown off the court to look after him. So yeah, there's a lot of kind of movement in the team and in the business as they kind of start putting the new team together, getting a coach, and also looking towards the playoffs. Yeah, sports jargon.

13:02Speaker 3

The best thing about Mindy Kaling shows and Running Point does this so well is like there's always a female lead, Like all her shows have a female lead, and that female lead has at least five problems happening at the same time exactly. So you're seeing like this really beautiful, put together woman just have these like frantic moments of all of these things happening in her life. Like she's having to deal with a new coach, she's a sponsorship with the team, her love life is in perils, she has to plan a wedding, best friend Ali is trying to join a different team.

13:32Speaker 1

Yeah, so she's got all of these.

13:33Speaker 3

Things happening and they're all snowballing into each other exactly, and like it's only specific type of person can do those roles, which is why I'm so glad Kate Hudson is like the main character of that role because I feel like all the leading women in Mindy Kaling's projects have been the best at that type of person.

13:49Speaker 1

Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Mindy Hellings.

13:51Speaker 2

It's such a specific thing.

13:52Speaker 1

I can't even describe a Mindy Kayalen leading lady, but I would say fashionably dressed, yeah, running somewhere, dropping things, spilling a coffee and having a hand.

14:00Speaker 2

It's a man treat.

14:00Speaker 1

Her badly but also be in love with her. That's because Mindy Kaling is like, she is a die hard romantic comedy fan. She's watched every romantic comedy, study them, she used to watch them over and over again as a kid, and she just wanted to live in one so badly that she created the Mindi Project, which is just a TV series that's one big, long romantic comedy set in New York. But the twist is the character would never be in a traditional rom com because she's an awful person and famously rom com women are like in a lot of the old school rom coms are just like they're clutch in sweet, but sometimes a little bit bland and sometimes not quite like they're Yeah, they never do the wrong thing because rom COM's taught us like you have to kind of be a bit perfect and like the man will eventually realize he's actually in love with you plot.

14:46Speaker 3

Twist and it's a really cute and like mousey yeah, and like her co worker is like calling her big l.

14:54Speaker 2

She's like, I'm not big, al I'm a tiny age and they're like, yeah, you are big. I'm wasting away.

15:00Speaker 1

And that's the thing about the MINDI character and the MINDI project is like she's so unlikable and that's why she made her a doctor because she's like, oh, this woman's gotta have unlikeable in the best way possible.

15:10Speaker 2

We love her.

15:11Speaker 1

It's just like a traditional Romcom lady wouldn't be pulling the stunt set. Actually Lindy pulls in that show. And so she made her a doctor because she's like, oh my god, this one's gotta have one like kind of redeeming thing about her. Even if sometimes she's like, oh you do have insurance, she's like, oh, you're gonna do it tonight and lost at home.

15:31Speaker 2

Watch.

15:32Speaker 1

So she's not the doctor you'd call, but I guess if she was there, she would.

15:35Speaker 2

Yeah.

15:36Speaker 1

So I like characters kind of meant to be that, And I love that she does have this redemption where she does decide to try and be a better person, but she's still a bit of a shitty person all the way through. And I love that about her because if she had this complete personality change, it wouldn't work.

15:51Speaker 3

It wouldn't work, and it also just wouldn't be good content. Like you want to kind of like have this like push and pull against the main character where it's like a very clever way of writing a main character where everything about them you hate, but you're rooting for them so hard.

16:06Speaker 1

Yeah, And I'm always rooting Foriler, except every time she says I'm a bad person, I'm like, yeah, girl, yeah, but not a bad person, just a bad person. And just like when they show them montage of her doing bad things like stealing a sandwich or stopping a chair and stuff, and they're just like, yeah, that's weird.

16:20Speaker 2

Love that I've never changed.

16:22Speaker 1

The biggest sign to me they were trying this season to kind of paint her as someone who used to be a bad person is trying to get better is the fact that they point out that before she met Ali, she never had a female friend is like you just know as a girl, that's the worst thing you can say to another girl. It's like you're not a girl's girl. Women don't like you. And usually in a movie and TV show, that's the biggest red flag for a character like that would be the villain, not the main character.

16:47Speaker 2

That's so true, and they really showcase that with It makes you think about season one.

16:52Speaker 3

You're like, oh, yeah, I guess she's like so successful in this world because you would see I guess quote unquote past shots of her like bringing her friends into the basketball stadium and stuff, but you never really see the friends.

17:04Speaker 2

Yeah. You always just see her hanging out.

17:06Speaker 3

In the locker rooms with the players and like her dad and her brothers and stuff like that. But you like don't hear about her mum or any other women in her life besides Allie, who's honestly, Brenda's song is like amazing in this it was only because they had to live together in Uni, so like their friendship was kind of forced upon each other. Yeah, but then like Alie literally becomes her person.

17:29Speaker 1

Yeah, And I do love that because it's also saying like, yeah, this is that woman that you get warned about that. And again, we know so many of those women who hang out with their family or their partner and that's it. Yeah, and they're kind of stuck in that world because and that's the interesting thing about the Gordon family in this is they are that very specific family that everyone knows a family like this where they're kind of all terrible and they hate each other, but they just don't have anyone else. Yeah, so they have to Gordon family, always coming back together and having each other's backs, like, oh, it's us or nothing.

17:57Speaker 2

Yeah, that's so true and I love that.

17:59Speaker 1

And yeah, again, Eiler is that very specific character where she's just like, girls don't like me, and yeah, we sometimes see her with a group of friends, but it's very specifically that thing of like party friends.

18:08Speaker 2

Yeah, like you can like a rich people friends.

18:10Speaker 1

Rich people friends where you know, like Isla Gordon's got the bottle service, she's got the table, she's gonna like you can take her car there, you know what I mean. Like she's those people like I'm sure half those girls don't even have her number and she doesn't know their names. They're just like her party girlfriends that latched onto her when she was like young in.

18:26Speaker 3

Her ghost clubs, which is why I like the friendship episode with Alie started off so strong with showing their backstory of how they became friends, and then we find out that Ali has been asking for a promotion. Firstly, asking for a promotion from your best friend must be like insane.

18:41Speaker 1

Yeah, when your best friend becomes your boss, which is something that happens in workplaces because you bond and become friends with the people.

18:47Speaker 2

Especially for the only two women working in that workplace.

18:50Speaker 1

And she has become like part of the family to an extent, and you can see that in the way like Ness and Cam to an extent, but he's a bit evil. But like how like Kness and Sandy have a back and forth with her, Like it's very brother sister. Yeah, like they're so mean to her, but they're only mean to her because they kind of treat her like Isler and they call her out and stuff.

19:07Speaker 2

It's very brotherly.

19:08Speaker 3

Also equals, right, Yeah, it was like her and Ali aren't exactly equals when it comes to that like hierarchy of power, which is why when Alie said that she's going to Canada, Yeah, she's going to Canada because she got a new opportunity that has more money, and like Ila's team could not pay her the same amount, and Eila just couldn't like work out why she was leaving, and she was like, you're leaving because you hate me, and al He's like, if you're a good friend, you'd congratulate me.

19:36Speaker 2

Yeah, And it just shows that, like how she's.

19:38Speaker 3

Just been living in that world a privilege for so long. Yeah, that like I think it was the first time that Eyler realized that Alie is not on her level.

19:46Speaker 1

Yeah, exactly. And also because it was so interesting how their like flashback scenes of them as college roommates set up their dynamic of the fact that Allie was the first person who didn't give a crap that she was Isla Gordon or Isla Gordon, and she's like, hey, Islam who didn't kind of give a crap that she was this rich, like party girl, that she came from a well known family and just well she didn't like her at first, which is in the chasing there was a classic like you know, opposite and then they watched slowly become friends that scene where they're crying together watching a movie and it and they're like he can't see without these glasses, and it flashes to my girl is so good, especially because Macaulay Culkin wanted a bigger part this season and he only got for anyone who doesn't know, I'm sure people do, but Macaulay Culkin is Brenda Song's partner and they have two children together and madly, madly in love.

20:40Speaker 3

And they're also both massive basketball fans, every single and she's.

20:45Speaker 2

A bigger fan than him.

20:46Speaker 1

Do you know that once in the Lakers game she had to be hospitalized because she was watching the game and she became so like fraught watching it, and then she took a sip of water and they scored, and then she was like, oh my god, you have like sports people are very superstitious, and they're like, if I won this day, I've got to wear the same underwear or drive the same way to work, or like put the same stick on or whatever it is. And she was like, oh my god, every time they should have just so she was hyperventilating and taking a sip of water to help them score, to the point where she like nearly stopped breathing and had to go to the emergency room.

21:12Speaker 2

Brenda song Man just just a girl, just a girl who loves it.

21:15Speaker 3

Was so funny when I was watching the like part of the promo for this season. Yeah, Kate Hudson and Brenda Song had to go to a few NBA games and sit like in the like celebrity see, like on the court and like Brenda songs like jumping up and down and like.

21:29Speaker 2

Yelling at the players and pointing, and you can hear Kate Hudson just sitting next to her and she's just like, you're crazy. Yeah, she was like, I didn't sign up at this level of promo.

21:38Speaker 1

And so when they went to that movie and crying, it's cute because that's Brenda Song's partner or pot we culked, and he gets a few little cameos in, but like he was gunning. Apparently he was gunning for a big partner, like we'll see you next season. So that's cute. So yes, so we see there's this whole story about like a headhunter's in town. Yes, this headhunter who's going to come and take the team away.

21:56Speaker 2

Did you recognize him?

21:57Speaker 1

I did, reckon absolutely, I really jumped off my chair because guys, he's from the MINDI Project. He's so in the fans. So the actor's name is Tommy Dewey and he plays Magnus in Running Points. So he's from the Toronto Trappers. I'm sure if that's a real team, and do you know what, I don't think it is, and I decided not to look it up because I didn't.

22:18Speaker 2

Want to ruin the magic yea.

22:20Speaker 1

And so he's called the Poacher, So he was, And there's just that was actually quite a good plot twist because they're like, they thought he was coming to take a player from their team, and then he wasn't. And so it cuts to the Gordon siblings and they're like, but if it wasn't for that, why was he here? And then it cuts to him offering her this job?

22:36Speaker 3

And isn't it so funny that that was his exact character in The MINDI Project.

22:40Speaker 2

He like managed an NBA team and he would be at all these parties.

22:44Speaker 1

No Mindy Kayling knows what she's doing. So yeah, he played Josh in The MINDI Project and he was one of Mindy Kayling's many love interests. But he had a couple of seasons up, yeah, and then he left when his girlfriend showed up, played by Ellie Kemper, who is Mindy Kaling's very good friend and a coast on the off and he was dating the Tools at the same time, and they have this massive fight, remember when she has to handcuff Midy Kelly handcuffs Ellie Kemper. But I always remember him from one of the very best scenes ever in the MINDI Project, where she goes, oh, after they've like woken up together. She goes, Oh, let me throw on your shirt.

23:18Speaker 2

It'll be so over I was talking about. She's like, oh, let me throw on your shirt.

23:25Speaker 1

It'll be so oversized on me because I'm so dainty to be so sexy. She puts on like fits perfectly, but just a little snug. Then he's like, what happened to my jeans? He puts on her jeans and again they fit.

23:38Speaker 2

And he was like, oh they fit me, and she starts screaming.

23:40Speaker 1

She's like it was so it's the funniest thing ever. And it's because like in your head, you're just like I'm living in a rom com in the rear. It's just like, absolutely not.

23:51Speaker 2

I love that. Let me put this on to be so dainty.

23:54Speaker 1

And so that's his whole character, is that he offers Allie this job that she can't turn down, and that causes that huge falling out between Ali and Isla. And it's the worst falling out of the show because, as we know, like falling up the family member, fine ya, falling up the love interest encouraged fully out of your best friend, especially when you've aready got one.

24:13Speaker 3

Oh heart breaking, heartbreaking, And they really pushed that storyline because I'm just gonna say it.

24:20Speaker 2

Alie was in Toronto for way too long. What she's there for one episode? No, it felt way too okay, Like she fully. I was like, oh my god, Isla, stop her at the door, stop her? Oh okay, and then she's like fully in a different country. She had to go. Actually, they made it so dark.

24:34Speaker 3

There's dark and gloomy and blue, and the poacher only cared about what Isla thought of her leaving.

24:41Speaker 2

Did Eila crime, She's scream.

24:44Speaker 1

So I thought it needed more of a build up than which they would just I thought the whole Gordon in my head, this is the note I had in my head. The whole Gordon family would just fall apart without her not realizing that she was the lynch pin or not holding the entire company together, because I do think that's true, and also holding the family together, and all these boys who are mean to her and had taken her for granted would also go with Island to apologize to her. That was my fantasy, which happened, But it was enough when Ilan went. It was enough when Island and they had their friendship moment and She's.

25:13Speaker 2

Like, how did you get in here?

25:15Speaker 1

It's no small planes.

25:16Speaker 2

Did you fly commercial?

25:18Speaker 1

You're like, yeah, that is the whip put in near the bathroom. That is the world we're dealing with. And at the same time as all that's happening, Cam is slowly but surely being the super villain of the season.

25:30Speaker 3

Oh I love him though, justin Thrower, he's so funny in this. So we find out that Cam is trying to take back his place as CEO, and he's doing it through like very discreete insidious ways where he's slowly trying to make decisions on behalf of Isler. Like firstly he tried to hire his own coach and was just saying, this is what we're doing now, and Isla was like, no, we're not doing that. And then he tried to get his own sponsor on and Isla was like.

25:57Speaker 1

No, which his own sponsor our fly? Can I give him a shout out?

26:01Speaker 2

Yeah?

26:01Speaker 1

Because do you know who that is? Yes, that is one of my favorite actors of all time.

26:04Speaker 2

That is Ken Marino. Where he's your favorite actor just in so many.

26:08Speaker 1

Things, so funny, so funny. So he plays a really iconic role in for Roddi Kamas. He's the rival private investigator to Rodi Kammas and her dad.

26:18Speaker 2

Just so funny. That's just so weird. Yeah, a lot of the times. So he's always like kind of like and again he's just he always plays like a goofy bad guy.

26:25Speaker 1

He plays like he always plays like the worst person who's also secretly hilarious. So when I saw him pop up, I was like, well, dog mindy Kayley. And he was also in that like iconic series like Party Down.

26:34Speaker 2

Yeah, he's just in Brooklyn, My night.

26:36Speaker 1

Yeah he's been You look for a really good comedy show and he's in it. He's like one of those comedy actors who just like everyone calls him to be in their show. So when he rocked up, I'm like, now we're going Now this is a show.

26:48Speaker 2

Now this is.

26:48Speaker 3

Happening when he rocked up too, because he sponsors the company on behalf of toilets.

26:54Speaker 1

Yeah, so he owns a toilet company. No, No, he's a he's I guess he does all the in the stadium. He owns like a toilet company that installs. Yeah, that owns all the pipes and toilets and stuff like that. So and he's a season ticket holder.

27:08Speaker 2

Yeah. And he's obsessed with the team.

27:10Speaker 1

And so he donates money to them and stuff.

27:12Speaker 3

And he keeps wanting more and more and more, and they're like, no, no, no, you can't sit courtside that You're not a celebrity, you're just a billionmaire.

27:20Speaker 1

And then he becomes like a co conspirator with Kim.

27:23Speaker 3

He does, and they become buddy buddy. At the same time, Eiler is trying to get their existing sponsor to stay on, so they have.

27:32Speaker 2

A family basketball playoff.

27:35Speaker 1

Okay, I freaking loved this.

27:38Speaker 2

Oliver Hudson.

27:41Speaker 1

No, that's so because it was because there wasn't inter you with Kate Hudson. They were saying, like, oh, Ali should have been in there because she's practically family, and Kate Hudson's like, no, I know, but like the rule was so clearly that they had to be family, and she's like to the point where we got my real life family in there. So that is her brother Oliver Hudson and I weirdly know so much about their sibling dynamic because they have a siblings podcast.

28:02Speaker 2

They do have a podcast. You listen to it, No, because it's wild.

28:06Speaker 1

I don't think Hate's been on it for a really long time because she's booked and busy now.

28:09Speaker 2

But there was a great he's just soloing it.

28:12Speaker 1

Yeah, sometimes he solos. He did a really good episode with Blake Lively sister where they're justalking about a siblings are more famous than us?

28:18Speaker 2

Oh, I mean I like that younger brother Wyatt.

28:21Speaker 1

No, because why it's also working.

28:24Speaker 2

You know what he's working on What Monarch? Your favorite show?

28:30Speaker 1

So they have to have this family basketball thing because they have to have a thing over the rent of a stadium to this other basketball family.

28:37Speaker 2

No, it's a hockey fan.

28:39Speaker 1

Sorry, please forgive me.

28:41Speaker 3

It's a hockey family who are like wanting to invest in that who in that space. So they're like rivaling and they had like this weird bet going on. What's funny is that Oliver husband's playing for the other family.

28:52Speaker 1

Yeah, because he's playing a different thing.

28:53Speaker 2

Which is so funny because then they bring in Barrett Hole.

28:56Speaker 1

Oh my god, can we talk me that for a second. So again, finally I've been waiting for him to get on my screen. Yeah, exactly, because he was on the MINDI Project with Mindy Kley and they have a great professional relationship together where they create together and he is the co creator, co writer all the things of writing point and they had been talking for a while about if they would co star, if they would like make a cameo, would they act on it, because up until then they were like no, no, no, we're just behind the scenes. And then I said he started to get really kind of just being like, oh, I want to be on the screen.

29:27Speaker 2

I want to be in the because he wants to.

29:28Speaker 1

Be like famous, cause he's already famous and he's like in the studio and stuff. But he more SOO was getting jealous of the actors because they're think such a good time. Than he found out the actors had a text chain that was just for the actors, and every time he saw the message on it, he was like, I want to get in on that, and so in his mind he was like, what if I played the coach of a rival basketball team and I had a love affair with Kate Hudson, And what about that dynamic? It's a will they won't they? And Mindy Kaling said, yeah, or you play their cousin and you're the.

29:58Speaker 2

Dumbest person in the world. And so that is he plays.

30:03Speaker 1

Their cousin, and he's just so creepy and wonderful. He plays his exact character as Morgan, but with a slight he's like, he said, from his point of view, he was playing it like this cousin character has sexual tension with his cousin Aila. So he's like, just in his head, just so gross. And he said, there's a scene where his character, I can't even think of his name. I just think of him as like his Eyke Baron in this Cousin Ike. And there's a scene where he comes over to massage Kate Hudson's shoulders, and he wanted to make her freaked out every time because she's meant to be repulsed by it, which is like fair enough, she's meant to repulse by it, And so every time he did it, he would dip his hands in like a little bit of warm water, so when he went over, his hands were warm and wet.

30:46Speaker 2

And that's why I'm in And.

30:47Speaker 1

The first time she did it, she went ah, And that's the take. That's why she looks so freaked out.

30:51Speaker 2

That's so funny, but you can malage you mention it. I have like on the.

30:55Speaker 3

Basketball in that basketball scene where like he's like dying on the ground and he's like, I help me up, but she just walks me.

31:02Speaker 2

So gross.

31:02Speaker 1

Also, can we talk about, sorry, I'm not feeling the sexual tension between her and the coach of the one she ends up with. Can I tell you who she had wild sexual tension with? Is Scott's Speedman?

31:13Speaker 2

Yeah?

31:14Speaker 1

The actor Scott Speedman. I mean not what the actor. The actor is Scott Speedsman, but he plays the head of the rival family that they and their sexual tension so horeririble. I love Mindy Kelling so much because he's a real nineties early two thousand's heart throm and that's exactly when she would have been in her like, I don't I've seen him before, really, Scott Speedman a little show called Felicity.

31:39Speaker 2

I haven't watched it.

31:41Speaker 1

What I know underworld movies, other things, he's been what's okay, Wow, that was so her fe.

31:47Speaker 2

I've seen him in Running Point.

31:48Speaker 1

I think he's on Greasy Anatomy right now playing meritiths love interest right now. Yeah, right now, he's just going between shows being a love interest, because that's what Scott Speedman does. He's the ultimate love interest. He comes on the screen and everyone like, that's who you fall in love with. He does actually play a bad boy like this.

32:03Speaker 3

Though, that is quite likely and it's not just a bad boy, but he's like I don't know, like when that scene where like her car has a flat tire, Yeah, and then he starts like flirting with her a bit to get butterflies.

32:16Speaker 1

Yeah, that's the thing. They have such good sexual chemistry and sometimes you just can't will that into existence there it's not So I want him to come on next season when season three inevitably happens, and be the love interest for her, because now we've got tension, now we've got stakes. And also I can read Mindy Kayaling like a book, mostly because I wrote all her books multiple times, and I know that she loves will they won't they enemies to love the story.

32:43Speaker 2

Her whole MINDI project was all will they won't they?

32:45Speaker 1

Yeah? Because the MINDI Oh my god, you know how the other day I said to you, Bridget Jones is based on pride and prejudice. Yes, do you know that the MINDI Project is also based on pride? I know that, Thank gosh, Oh my god, embarrassing. I'm like your mind you just pass away. If anyone's listened to that an episode or seeing that video that went quite via, Oh my god, Emily loses her mind because she didn't know that Bridgittan's Diary was based on briden Bridge.

33:11Speaker 2

Go look at the video on our Instagram page. You can fight with everyriend in the comments.

33:14Speaker 1

Everyone who's like opened the schools. So I loved that, and like all the cameos this year was so good. The other cameo I loved before we move on to the downfall of Eiler in Love, which is the next moment after this, The other cameo I loved and again and Mindy Kelly and I are the same.

33:28Speaker 2

Person is Nicole Richie. Oh my god, yes, I forgot I was in there.

33:33Speaker 1

Nicole Richie is such an elusive being.

33:35Speaker 2

She's really good in it.

33:37Speaker 1

No, she's good. She If anybody who doesn't know the I mean, you know who Nicole Richie is.

33:41Speaker 2

If you don't, it's hard to.

33:42Speaker 1

Explain unless you were there, unless you're a teen girl or a young woman in the early two thousands, it's hard to explain the power of Nicole Richie because for a long time there she was the ultimate girl, the ultimate taste maker. And unfortunately it did happen after she lost a huge amount of weight and also committed a few crimes. Yeah, drug beast, and then went to court, went to jail all those things. Was one of those jail you know, like for a while that like Chloe Kardashi and Lindsay Low and Nicole Richie all in jailed.

34:15Speaker 3

Like me, and they all had like these dark gray underbags, but like smiling and.

34:19Speaker 1

They take their mugshots. So she went through a lot of shit. She went through a lot of shit, which she's been opened about. But then she became this glamorous fashion it girl, and she was in the whole like Rachel Zoe co hole. She was. Yeah, she was a zobot and dressed in a very specific way, but everything about her she wasn't a manufactured it girl, like she was the old cool it girl. Like everyone got a rosary beat. I mean, not me, but if my mum would let me, I would have. She has a rosary beat around her and cool tattooed falling down to her foot. Coolest thing ever she wore, like all the headbands that she used to tie on her hair. I used to do that and I used to also, and I lived in Townsville, so what was I doing. I used to lay in necklaces like herd okay leggings and the like kind of like lacy singlet tops and the massive handbags.

35:05Speaker 2

And it was such a moment.

35:07Speaker 1

And even when she had her kids and she named her daughter like Harlow Winter Kate Madden, and I was like, why is that the coolest baby name? Now she goes by Kate, which I actually find disrespectful.

35:18Speaker 2

Kate, Yeah, that's so many other names.

35:20Speaker 1

And then girl, I'm like, imagine being called Harlow Winter Kate and being like going to school and being like call me Kate.

35:26Speaker 2

I would say, no offense. My sister's name is Kate. I just like that.

35:29Speaker 1

I remember when that name Everyone's like, that is the coolest name. I've ever heard, and now she has like the jewelry brand, the fashion business and stuff because people just still want to look like Nicole Richie to this day. And I was never sure if she was a good actress. But then she did a guest in on the show he was obsessed with called Chuck, where she played like this evil got that she only like for oneiso. Okay, she played the evil high school nemesis of the lead girl, and she was so funny and good on it, so I feel like, but she doesn't do anything like that anymore. So the fact that she came in did a cameo for Running Point was so good and again played a nemesis one episode.

36:00Speaker 2

Oyah, she's so good.

36:02Speaker 1

And that I was like, Mindy Kayling, I just again, I get you. Mindy Tayling's like I want the heartthrow I grew up with and the cool girl I grew up with in my show.

36:09Speaker 2

Yes, that's so true. Okay, moving on to the.

36:15Speaker 1

The ill fated wedding of Eiler and Love. Did you think they were going to get married? I thought I had seen obviously there's stills of her trying on the wedding dress, so I thought we were actually getting a wedding.

36:26Speaker 2

Well, the wedding was such like a subplot.

36:29Speaker 3

Yeah, I feel like this whole season her romantic life was a subplot, Like it wasn't the biggest thing that was going on. If it was happening in season one, I feel like there would have been more tension with.

36:38Speaker 1

A wedding happened.

36:39Speaker 3

Yeah, But I didn't really feel the tension of will it won't it at all, Like I completely forgot it was happening until we get to the night before the wedding, which I loved. I love when the brothers got up on stage and did their Scottish Dad.

36:51Speaker 2

It was so good. It was so good.

36:53Speaker 3

And also I think seeing the four of them up there reaffirmed the idea to the audience that it is crazy that she is CEO of the company.

37:01Speaker 1

Yeah, and there's like four guys who are working for her exactly exactly, but it was so well done.

37:07Speaker 3

And then in the at the end where she like opens the ring and sees the ring that Coach Jay had given her for like the for winning and that was like the catalyst of her breaking up with Lev. And that is when Lev says you are a bad person. I know, which is the worst and you can ever say to a significant other.

37:30Speaker 1

And the thing is, I think we'd had this character thread with her. It's like she had done bad things in her past. Sometimes she did bad things now, but she had this guy that was so good and he loved her, so by extension, she too must be good. And I think she was really hanging on to that, and that's why she was pushing forward the wedding and everything. And also there's so many jokes. They don't say how old she is, but Kate Hudson is late forties, and so the character you've got to think his late thirties or early forties. You know what that means in a rom coom in life at any time, but especially in her realm, they're like, girl, get married, what's wrong with you?

38:04Speaker 2

And so she's also got.

38:05Speaker 1

This thing of is like she's like, I need to marry this man because he's good and he's so different to all the terrible men I'm surrounded with my family, like love them, but like her brother's open and her dad.

38:13Speaker 2

Was an awful person, and her mum.

38:15Speaker 1

By all accounts like, but she's like, I'm marrying this good guy, so I'm different to you, and I'm finally doing the right thing after being a washed up party girl for so many years, that I'm finally doing the right thing by getting married and letting all of that go was like a huge character arc for her, and a much bigger character art than getting married, I think, because it was her letting go of everything that made her good and right and having to just be like, and I'm just gonna be this new person I am who tries to do the right thing but still steals the sandwich.

38:42Speaker 2

Oh yeah, yeah.

38:43Speaker 3

And you can tell, like in that breakup that they're having where I was like meant to be a conversation. He when he says I think you might be a bad person, he knows, like that's the worst thing he could say he could say to her, because he's known like forever. She just wanted to prove that she was a good person, and like he knew that would be like the final thing and then he blocked her on.

39:03Speaker 1

Into which again, the worst thing you can do is you can do and say this. But I understand again I'm saying from a storytelling point of view, because Minny Kaylene, like she knows in her head she's got that third season, and just for the rom com premise to work around this basketball show, she needs to be single so that she can have the back and forth with the coach, so she can hopefully have the back and forth with Scott Speedman and she can you know, having her like happily married doesn't fit with where this story needs to go. So then we get into the final act, which is cam Like showing his hand that he's also back on drugs and using Jackie for his urine.

39:35Speaker 2

Jackie, he says that whole thing.

39:37Speaker 1

So we obviously we got not as much Jackie this season. We had the whole subplot with the dancers. I like that, which she was like, I'm like, I'm sorry, is this a Dallas cheerleaders documentary?

39:46Speaker 2

I don't know where they got that?

39:47Speaker 3

Plus and also so fair, And then we got to see Kate hasn't dance.

39:51Speaker 1

Yeah, so so funny about that because she said that was the scene that she was the most nervous about, was dancing with the cheerleaders. And she's a trained dancer because she's all saw a trained see I don't know if you've seen her dance in nine Glee, you've seen a dance in Glee.

40:04Speaker 2

I her dancing in Glee. Oh my god, go after this, straight after this. I remember her and Glee. What I remember Gwyneed Paltrow and Glee. Yeah, okay.

40:13Speaker 1

So in Glee, Kate Hudson played Cassandra July. And when Rachel Barry, Lee Michelle's character moves to New York, she's her teacher. But they have they hate each other at first of her back and forth and at one point they have a dance and song off to all that jazz from Chicago, and it's actually the greatest scene ever. You need to watch it because they're having a dance battle.

40:32Speaker 2

It's so good.

40:33Speaker 1

Okay, And Kate Hudson's a trained dancer and singer, but she hadn't danced for a really, really long time. She's professionally singing now for the first time ever. She was too scared to do it before her forties. She's so good. Kate Hudson can start becoming a singer in her forties. I know she's Kate Hudson, but I think we can just all do whatever we want.

40:50Speaker 2

We can all do whatever. That's what I'm taking away from her. Whatever age.

40:53Speaker 1

So they showed her the dance so Kate Hutson said, she got to set, they had the dances, they did the dance and she's like, oh, that looks kind of hard, but yeah, I can do it. When are we shooting? And they're like, oh, tomorrow. So she learned that whole dance in twenty four hours. The girl can dance.

41:07Speaker 2

Yeah, she is talented. So I love that.

41:10Speaker 1

So Jackie's other main storyline, apart from the fact that his girlfriend was like leading a Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders coup over fair pay and fair working conditions, that part where they're like getting dressed in the alley and stuff was so funny is that he also was pulled into Cam's web of lies and having to give him urinec heare.

41:29Speaker 2

And like jump out a window so we want to get caught.

41:32Speaker 1

My funniest line of the season came after that when Ness who is such a good character and this is not even a funny line, but it made me laugh out loud, where they're like, oh, he jumped out of the window because he was looking at a bird, and he's we've got to get those windows speaks. He's like, yeah, we love birds, but we love brothers more.

41:48Speaker 2

Like you're so stupid. His lines are so funny, he's his only funny lines.

41:52Speaker 1

It's just so so good. And then we find out what Cam's been planning, that he's going to overthrow the company, and it's such a kind of great moment when Ali and I like kind of band together to overthrow him and get their own like sponsors and get everything sorted and that ness and Sandy and I also love Standy this season. I thought I wanted him to have this big romantic story arc and I'm sorry his lover left him to be on Lisa in a another great cameo.

42:15Speaker 2

He has shown like, oh he's so cute. I do love Sandy.

42:21Speaker 1

I know, I love I love because his whole thing is like, I'm not that type of gay, because it would be the whole thing for a show to have that like very stereotypical flamboyant gay character. And I love that they've just like he's just got this full accountant yeah, and he's just like kind of this like gruff businessman who just happens to also be gay. But I also love the idea of out of the whole family because sometimes they sort of treat him as like, oh, you're the stoic one, you're this, you're that, like you're the serious one. I really wanted him to be the only one that had this beautiful romance and it didn't really work out maybe a season, but.

42:52Speaker 2

The whole family was going through the season.

42:54Speaker 1

The whole family really went through the ring up and then the part where Ness and Sandy choose to stand by Isil or not I thought was the ultimate kind of like build up moment for this season.

43:03Speaker 3

Yeah, and then like took away from like season one where it was like Bro's band together, Yeah, where like she actually proved her worth and they really found newfound respect for her, not just as like a younger sister, but just as like a business partner.

43:17Speaker 2

Yeah.

43:17Speaker 3

I was so nervous in this season, like Mindy Kayling would do that trick where she's just like not boys will be boys, Like these are the worst men ever.

43:25Speaker 2

We just have to live with that.

43:26Speaker 3

And I'm glad they came around because I don't think I could have dealt with another like annoying brother sister things.

43:32Speaker 1

Yeah, we need to see a little bit of growth from the season one finale to this season two finale.

43:35Speaker 2

I think we got that.

43:36Speaker 1

So where do you think season three is gonna go after that.

43:40Speaker 3

Oh the cliffhanger for the last episode. Also, I have to talk about when Jay and Isla were making out on the couch and I walked in.

43:48Speaker 2

And took form, like I thought we were gonna go Skinny Saunery.

43:53Speaker 1

Yeah, He's like, we go ski to be like yeah here.

43:58Speaker 3

So it ends after they win the playoffs against Boston, which.

44:02Speaker 1

Was so good because that's why you watch a sports show, Like I didn't care about actual sports, but it's so hooked to like life and death, human emotion, triumph over adversity, all those things.

44:10Speaker 2

So good.

44:11Speaker 3

It was like down to like the last second and they scored and one and that was like Jay's team, and you can see him getting kind of like giving her like a weird look and then storming off and then they just partied really hard.

44:24Speaker 2

They all woke up so drunk.

44:26Speaker 3

The next morning in Eli's house, Jackie comes running in and turn on the TV and it's this big press conference where it's announced that Cam and Al are starting their own LA basketball team to rival the Waves.

44:41Speaker 2

And their head coach is j Yeah, that's crazy, the ultimate brother lover.

44:47Speaker 1

Betraying me and I have like wearble their romans. They're like Romeo and Juliet now that they're on proper like rival team. So yeah, so season three it.

44:56Speaker 2

Just ends with going motherfucker.

44:58Speaker 1

Yeah, so good. She's so angry and hate Hudson does angry so well. So yes, humps for season three. I think it'll be really fun. Indy Kelly will get her way. She's like, take that plot twist, Netflix, Oh my god, and Mindy get on screen.

45:11Speaker 2

Please.

45:12Speaker 1

Yeah.

45:13Speaker 2

I beg you, I beg you. No, she's got an idea.

45:16Speaker 1

She's gonna play ix side piece because she's like, what's worse than playing like the worst t emn ever? Playing the side piece of the worst funny.

45:25Speaker 2

I love them together.

45:26Speaker 1

She's joking, but I'm also like, don't toy with me, make that happen.

45:29Speaker 2

No, I would love that. I want them to have their own storyline. Yeah, do a spit please. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

45:38Speaker 3

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45:53Speaker 2

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