The Steep Stuff Podcast

The Steep Stuff Podcast

By James LaurielloSportsWildernessRunning
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  • Sarah Carter - Pre Pikes Peak Ascent Interview

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    The mental battle against the mountain defines Pike's Peak Ascent, drawing thousands to test their limits at what's rightfully earned its reputation as "America's Ultimate Challenge." Elite trail runners reveal that beyond physical preparation, it's the psychological fortitude required that brings them back year after year.

    When asked what keeps competitors returning to this grueling ascent, the answer is simple yet profound: "You're constantly wondering if you're going too hard and if you're going to die." This raw honesty captures why over 2,500 runners from 46 states and eight countries gather annually in Manitou Springs to push themselves toward the clouds. For veterans and newcomers alike, Pike's Peak represents something deeper than competition against others—it's a personal test against oneself.

    We dive into the world of professional trail running with elite athlete Sarah, who shares insights from her remarkable season racing across Europe and the United States. From the mud-soaked technical descents of Plitzalpin Glacier Trail to the passionate fans lining OCC's course in Chamonix, Sarah offers a glimpse into the highest levels of mountain racing. Her perspective on balancing mental energy across multiple high-stakes races provides valuable wisdom: "You can only put your soul on the line so many times in a season."

    The conversation highlights a fascinating contrast between European and American race atmospheres. While European events boast incredible spectator culture with fans cheering in remote mountain locations regardless of weather, American races are still developing this vibrant support system. "There's something about being 30 miles into a race and having people cheer your name that gives you a little more life," Sarah notes, suggesting that perhaps all we need is a "cowbell fund" to elevate the American trail racing experience.

    Whether you're an aspiring mountain runner or simply fascinated by those who challenge themselves in extreme environments, this exploration of Pike's Peak Ascent reveals why this iconic race continues to captivate the imagination and test the limits of human endurance. Join us for an intimate look at what drives athletes to push beyond their perceived limitations when the mountain calls.

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    36 min
  • Kristina Mascarenas - Pre Pikes Peak Marathon Interview

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    Every summer, thousands of runners journey to Manitou Springs for America's Ultimate Challenge – the legendary Pikes Peak Marathon. For three-time champion Kristina Mascarenas, this race represents something far deeper than just another mountain to conquer.

    "It's just you're constantly wondering if you're going too hard and if you're going to die," Kristina candidly shares, capturing the essence of what draws elite athletes back to this grueling event year after year. "You know this is a test against yourself. Everybody that's out here is doing it and everybody's testing themselves."

    In this revealing conversation, Kristina opens up about her 2024 racing season, including a difficult DNF at Black Canyon 100K that prompted her to refocus on events that bring joy rather than pressure. She discusses her strategic approach to shorter races like the Broken Arrow 23K and her triumphant win at the Barr Trail Mountain Race – perfect preparation for her upcoming attempt at a historic fourth Pikes Peak Marathon victory.

    The personal connection to Pikes Peak runs deep for Kristina, who's planning a multi-generational family participation for next year's race. Her intimate knowledge of every section of the mountain, from equipment choices to weather considerations, reveals why she's become synonymous with this iconic event. Yet she remains humble, joking about being labeled a "backyard betty" despite achievements that place her among the all-time greats of mountain running.

    Whether you're fascinated by the mental aspects of endurance sports, curious about elite training approaches, or simply drawn to stories of human potential, Christina's journey reminds us why we challenge mountains – not just to reach their summits, but to discover what lies within ourselves when pushed to the edge of possibility.

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    25 min
  • Jeff Cuno - Pre Pikes Peak Ascent Interview

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    The mental and physical crucible of Pike's Peak brings together over 2,500 runners annually to test themselves against what organizers aptly call "America's Ultimate Challenge." What drives athletes back to this mountain year after year? As one elite runner explains, "You're constantly wondering if you're going too hard and if you're going to die... it's an ultimate mental battle."

    This conversation dives deep into the psychology of mountain racing, examining how athletes approach a challenge where the real competition isn't other runners but the mountain itself. "I don't care what racers show up," shares a veteran competitor. "This is a test against yourself. Everybody that's out here is doing it, everybody's testing themselves."

    We explore the strategic elements that make Pike's Peak particularly demanding - from pacing the notorious "W's" section where "you can't gain much but can sure as hell lose a lot," to adapting nutrition strategies as altitude increases and digestive challenges mount. Elite runners share their training approaches, balancing structured workouts with time spent "running in the mountains, getting in the Alpine, seeing cool lakes and tagging some peaks."

    The discussion reveals how these athletes think about race craft - the mental calculations, the physical adaptations to altitude, and the nutrition strategies that evolve from trailhead to summit. For anyone fascinated by endurance psychology or considering their own mountain challenge, this episode offers both practical wisdom and a window into what happens when body and mind are pushed to their limits against one of America's most iconic peaks.

    Curious about what it takes to conquer your own mountains - literal or metaphorical? Listen now for insights that extend far beyond the trail.

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    31 min
  • Brian Whitfield - Pre Pikes Peak Ascent Interview

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    What does it take to conquer one of America's most grueling mountain races? Elite trail runner James Reeves takes us behind the scenes of his preparation for Pike's Peak, a race that draws over 2,500 runners annually from 46 states and eight countries to challenge themselves against the formidable Colorado mountain.

    "It's just you're constantly wondering if you're going too hard and if you're going to die," Reeves explains about the race experience. "It's an ultimate mental battle." Having previously posted an impressive 2:14:55 at Pike's Peak in 2023, Reeves now returns with ambitious goals after relocating to Colorado's Gunnison Valley for optimal mountain training.

    The conversation offers a fascinating glimpse into the life of a dedicated mountain athlete. Reeves shares how his recent move from Colorado Springs to the more rural Gunnison provides superior access to high-altitude training in both the Elk Mountains and San Juan ranges. This strategic relocation allows him to "drive to altitude" rather than relying on altitude tents, creating ideal conditions for Pike's Peak preparation.

    Fresh off a top-five finish at the Cirque Series A-Basin race among 700 competitors, Reeves demonstrates his current fitness level despite being in the middle of a rigorous training block. His approach balances competitive drive with strategic racing: "If I had to choose running a PR or running for first place, I would choose to run for first place." This mentality reveals the tactical thinking required for mountain racing success.

    Beyond Pike's Peak, Reeves details his plans for the Kodiak 50K (a UTMB World Series Major) and the USATF Half Marathon Championships in Moab. His insights into the mental aspects of endurance racing, training at altitude, and finding motivation through challenges provide valuable perspective for athletes of all levels.

    Join us for this compelling conversation and discover why these mountain challenges continue to draw athletes back year after year. Ready to elevate your own running journey? Subscribe now and get inspired by more stories from the trail running elite.

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    24 min
  • History of the Pikes Peak Ascent & Marathon with Mark Tatum, Re-Release

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    What makes a mountain race become legendary? In this deep dive into the historic Pikes Peak Marathon and Ascent, we're joined by Mark Tatum to uncover the remarkable journey of America's third-oldest and longest consecutively running marathon.

    From its unlikely origins—when a Finnish doctor challenged smokers to race him up the mountain in 1958—to Arlene Piper becoming the first woman to complete a marathon in the United States in 1959 (in "dime store tennis shoes"), the race's heritage is as rich as the mountain is tall. We explore how the Jemez Pueblo runners dominated the early years and how Matt Carpenter's obsession with the mountain created records that stood untouchable for decades.

    The mountain itself becomes a character in this story, humbling even the greatest athletes who've attempted to conquer it. We dissect the strategic challenges of racing at 14,000 feet, where oxygen drops by 40%, the infamous "W's" section can make or break your race, and unpredictable weather adds another layer of complexity. Through the years, Pikes Peak has witnessed the evolution of trail running itself—from local heroes to international superstars like Kilian Jornet, Rémi Bonnet, and Kim Dobson making their mark.

    Whether you're a mountain running enthusiast or simply fascinated by endurance challenges that push human limits, this conversation reveals why Pikes Peak continues to captivate runners worldwide. As one racer put it: "It's just you're constantly wondering if you're going too hard and if you're going to die. It's the ultimate mental battle." And perhaps that's exactly why they keep coming back.

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    1 hr 38 min
  • #121 - Anton Krupicka

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    Ever wonder how a mountain runner's motivations evolve over decades in the sport? Anton Krupicka opens up about his remarkable journey from Nebraska ranch kid to ultrarunning legend in this captivating conversation recorded live at La Sportiva Boulder.

    Anton shares the origin story of his running career, from his science scholarship at Colorado College to his early days working at Colorado Running Company and running with the legendary Matt Carpenter. He reflects candidly on how serendipity shaped his path—when a missed email about the Pikes Peak Marathon entry led him to run and win Leadville 100 at just 23 years old.

    The conversation takes a thoughtful turn as Anton discusses the controversial Grand Teton FKT situation involving Michelino Sunseri. "For me, FKTs have always been about developing a relationship with a place and putting in the time to appreciate it," Anton explains, offering nuanced perspectives on the evolving ethics of mountain records in an increasingly regulated landscape.

    Perhaps most revealing is Anton's reflection on how his motivations have transformed. "Ten years ago, I wanted to prove myself and be on top of the sport," he admits. "Now it's completely different—all my motivations are intrinsic." Currently recovering from an Achilles injury at 42, he shares surprising insights about finding his greatest fitness after 40 and his transition from competitive athlete to product developer with La Sportiva.

    For aspiring mountain runners, Anton offers wisdom earned through decades of highs and lows: "Performance is necessary, but it's important to have a value structure you're committed to. Figure out who you are and remain true to yourself."

    What makes this conversation special is Anton's willingness to look back with honesty and forward with curiosity. Have you found your motivations shifting as you've grown in your running journey? Listen now and join the conversation.

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    57 min
  • #120 - Benjamin Townsend

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    Balancing on the knife edge between breakthrough performance and burnout, Benjamin Townsend takes us behind the scenes of his remarkable season traversing continents in pursuit of skyrunning glory. From the humid jungles of Malaysia to the technical Alps, his journey reveals the unseen challenges young athletes face when building a global racing career.

    The conversation opens with Benjamin's qualification for the U23 Skyrunner World Series Final and his rollercoaster experiences competing internationally. After a devastating DNF in Spain where debilitating foot pain left him unable to continue, Benjamin rebounded spectacularly with his first U23 win at Japan's Weta Sky Race - a grueling 16-mile course with over 10,000 feet of vertical gain. The victory marked a pivotal moment, confirming he belongs among the sport's elite.

    What makes this episode particularly valuable are Benjamin's candid reflections on the physical and logistical challenges of international competition. He details his specialized training approach - using a 40% incline treadmill to develop the power hiking skills Americans often lack compared to Europeans from skiing backgrounds. These insights reveal the technical demands of true skyrunning that casual fans might not appreciate.

    Perhaps most compelling is Benjamin's vulnerability discussing the fatigue that eventually caught up with him. "I've been pretty much tired since July," he admits, acknowledging the lesson that saying yes to every opportunity has consequences. This hard-earned wisdom shapes his evolving approach to racing strategy and career longevity.

    The episode peaks with Benjamin's breakthrough at Broken Arrow, where he slashed nearly 20 minutes from his previous time to finish in the top 20. This performance didn't just catch the attention of major brands - it fundamentally shifted his timeline for reaching the sport's pinnacle. "My why hasn't changed," he reflects, "but the when has... it feels a lot closer than before."

    Whether you're an aspiring mountain athlete or simply fascinated by the mental and physical demands of elite endurance sports, Benjamin's journey offers a rare glimpse into the realities of building an international racing career from the ground up.


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    1 hr 14 min
  • Join us Thursday Sept 11th for a Live Pod with Anton Krupicka

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    Join us Thursday Sept 11th for a Live Pod with Anton Krupicka at the La Sportiva Flagship store in Boulder, Colorado 

    When - Thursday September 11th

    What - Group Run & Live Podcast with Anton Krupicka

    Timing - Group Run Starts at 5:30 pm / Live Pod Starts (around) 6:45/7pm 

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    2 min
  • #119 - Abby Stone

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    Meet Abby Stone, a 19-year-old trail running phenom who's rewriting the traditional path to mountain running success. After placing 19th at the prestigious Broken Arrow Skyrace 23K in her first-ever trail race, Abby made the bold decision to leave collegiate running behind and dive headfirst into the world of mountain racing.

    What makes Abby's story so compelling is her refreshing perspective on competition. While she struggled with the pressure and "business" side of track and cross country, she found immediate joy on the trails. "I've never been a big racer, always hated racing like cross country and track," she explains. "And then as soon as I stepped on trails, I have the funnest time." This fundamental shift in mindset has propelled her to unexpected heights, including earning a spot on Team USA for the World Mountain Running Championships in the U20 division.

    Growing up in the mountains of Utah gave Abby a natural affinity for technical terrain, complemented by her background as a climber. This multidisciplinary approach gives her a distinct advantage on challenging courses that require scrambling skills—something she hopes to leverage in future Skyrunning events. Her unique combination of steeplechase experience, climbing ability, and pure love for mountain environments positions her as an exciting talent to watch in the coming years.

    Beyond racing, Abby balances her running ambitions with training to become a paramedic, eventually hoping to join search and rescue operations. This pragmatic approach to building dual careers showcases a maturity beyond her years, as she navigates the emerging opportunities for professional trail runners while maintaining perspective on long-term goals.

    Follow Abby's journey as she prepares to represent the United States on the world stage, and witness firsthand how the next generation of trail runners is forging new paths in the sport. Give her a follow on Instagram at abbystone0 and let her know what you thought about this conversation!

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    47 min
  • #118 - Addison Smith

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    What happens when an elite trail runner must quickly transition from racing a grueling mountain ultramarathon to coaching other athletes through their own epic challenges? Addison Smith lives this reality, and in our captivating conversation, he reveals the fascinating duality of his role at the UTMB festival in Chamonix.

    Fresh off his performance at the OCC race, Addison shares the mental gymnastics required to shift from competitor to coach within hours. "When you're really tired, in terms of making mistakes for my athletes, it's like I need to be on when it's time to be on," he explains, offering a rare glimpse into the behind-the-scenes reality of professional coaching at one of trail running's most prestigious events.

    As a coach for Carmichael Training Systems with a master's degree in movement science, Addison brings exceptional depth to our discussion about the science of ultrarunning. We dive into precision hydration testing, exploring how sodium concentration in sweat impacts performance and how athletes can determine their unique needs. His practical approach blends scientific knowledge with real-world racing experience, making complex concepts accessible and immediately applicable.

    The conversation takes fascinating turns as we discuss the evolution of training methodologies, the value of various metrics from heart rate to perceived exertion, and the future of trail running as a potential Olympic sport. Addison's balanced perspective—embracing the competitive aspects while honoring the community values that make trail running special—offers wisdom for both elite competitors and weekend warriors.

    Whether you're struggling with race-day cramping, curious about coaching approaches at the highest level, or interested in how the sport might evolve, this episode delivers actionable insights and thought-provoking perspectives from someone who truly lives at the intersection of competitive racing and professional coaching.

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    1 hr 8 min

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