In this podcast, Tony Greer and Jared Dillian are joined by Ben Hunt for a deep dive into market narratives, geopolitical risk, credit stress, and why the next macro shock may be hiding in plain sight. They break down oil, inflation, private credit fragility, natural resources leadership, and whether tech could reassert itself as growth fears build. 

The conversation also explores Ben’s powerful thesis on AI, decision-making, and “speeding up the kill chain,” plus what markets may be missing as energy shocks and credit risks collide.

They riff on 1993 music, trading psychology, games, and the storytelling patterns that connect markets, culture, and human behavior.