Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

The Woke Burnout Is Real — and Politics Is Catching Up


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Classrooms have been a key battleground in the so-called woke wars for years now. But could the debate over how schools teach history, race, gender and sexuality be coming to an end?

This week on “Matter of Opinion,” the hosts look at signs that these wedge issues are no longer dividing us, ask whether we have reached “peak woke” and disagree on whether it’s even worth fighting about wokeness at all.

 

Mentioned in this episode:

  • “Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus,” by Rick Perlstein
  • Nathan Hale’s Hazardous Tales series, by Nathan Hale
  • The Adventures of Tintin comic series, by Hergé
  • The Adventures of Asterix comic series, by René Goscinny and Albert Uderzo
  • The American Bicentennial Series, by John Jakes
  • “The Soul of America: The Battle for Our Better Angels,” by Jon Meacham

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