Even in an age of extinction, conservationist, social justice activist and entrepreneur Natalie Kyriacou (OAM) thinks the story of nature is far from just the final chapter in a slowly unfolding tragedy.
Here, she shows there is still so much to be in awe of, to hope and work for, and even to laugh at.

In this conversation, you'll hear:

• What the devastation that ensued in the wake of the loss of a vulture population tell us about our connection to other species
• Why our economy isn't working and what a better one could look like
• And how Barnaby Joyce wanted to give fish herpes (yep, you read that right)

Check out Natalie's book Nature's Last Dance: Tales of Wonder in an Age of Extinction here

Get Osher's new book So What, Now What? along with tickets to the live show here

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