Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Thomas Friedman on Iran, Israel and Preventing a ‘Forever War’

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Will Israel and Iran’s unprecedented attacks escalate into a wider mideast conflict? A “forever war”? This week, columnist Tom Friedman joins the hosts to unpack the latest developments, what it means for Gaza, and the implications for the region writ large.

A full transcript of this audio essay will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.

Mentioned in this episode:

  • “How to Be Pro-Palestinian, Pro-Israeli and Pro-Iranian” by Thomas L. Friedman
  • “Iran Just Made a Big Mistake. Israel Shouldn’t Follow.” by Thomas L. Friedman
  • “A Biden Doctrine for the Middle East Is Forming. And It’s Big.” by Thomas L. Friedman
  • “Netanyahu Must Go” by Bret Stephens

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