[24:35] Judith C. Tingley, Ph.D., is a psychologist, author and freelance writer living with her husband on Bainbridge Island in the state of Washington. Judith and Bo talk about what it means to think positively, and how positive thinking can help—but how it can also get in the way of self-improvement in public speaking as well as other areas of life. See the complete description at http://www.dowellwebtools.com/tools/bg/Bo/tmpodcast