Fish Don't Exist

Guest: Lulu Miller, former producer of "Radiolab" and co-founder of "Invisibilia," NPR; author, "Why Fish Don't Exist: A Story of Loss, Love, and the Hidden Order of Life"

As humans, we're always trying to impose order on the world, but admit it, the wonders around us often defy categorization. Miller even questions if fish exist. . . . Find out what she means as she tackles failure, catastrophe, and chaos through a look at the life of ichthyologist David Starr Jordan. 

Museum of Failure

Guest: Samuel West, curator and founder, "The Museum of Failure"

Failure is something that we can learn from, even celebrate. And that’s why there’s a museum dedicated to it.