When you truly begin doing your work, the Enneagram really should mess with you. It should dis-equilibrate you, throw you back on your heals, make you wonder, "Who am I? Who is everybody else? What am I supposed to do now?

This week we're back with part 2 of Claire Diaz-Ortiz's interview revealing how her research into Enneagram Threes has helped her dig beneath the surface and shift her focus towards using the gifts she's developed to lift up others from behind the scenes.

Claire Diaz-Ortiz is an author, speaker and Silicon Valley innovator who was an early employee at Twitter. Named one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company, she holds an MBA and other degrees from Stanford and Oxford and has been featured widely in print and broadcast media. She writes a popular business blog at ClaireDiazOrtiz.com and is the award-winning author of eight books that have been published in more than a dozen countries.

To learn more about Claire, visit www.clairediazortiz.com.

When you truly begin doing your work, the Enneagram really should mess with you. It should dis-equilibrate you, throw you back on your heals, make you wonder, "Who am I? Who is everybody else? What am I supposed to do now?

This week we're back with part 2 of Claire Diaz-Ortiz's interview revealing how her research into Enneagram Threes has helped her begin to dig beneath the surface and shift her focus towards using the gifts she's developed to lift up others from behind the scenes.

Welcome back to Season 2 of Typology. I'm thrilled to continue Season Two with a really great friend who I've known for many years, Aaron Niequist.

Though Aaron is a four on the Enneagram, we're actually going to explore some new territory today. We're going to go into some content that'll be great for every single number to know and learn about. With two fours on the line, I do need to say that because otherwise, everyone will just assume that all we're going to do is talk about ourselves for a long time. Not today.

So many of our listeners have asked me to talk about subtypes. Everybody asks, "Can you please say more about subtypes? What are they and how do I determine mine?" Those are great questions actually because there are multiple variations of type. I think what happens with each variation is you get another degree of clarity about the nature of the type itself, it's different flavors and expressions. One of the most important next steps a person can take after they know all the basics is to learn their subtype. If you are somebody who, for example, can't figure out your type, I would steer you toward instincts and subtypes because that's another way of kind of getting at type. So tune in as I break it down for you and Aaron.

Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical recordings called A New Liturgy to help people create holy space wherever they find themselves. Niequist and his wife, bestselling author Shauna Niequist, live in the suburbs of Chicago with their two sons. For more information, visit aaronniequist.com and anewliturgy.com.

So many of our listeners have asked me to talk about subtypes.  Everybody asks, "Can you please say more about subtypes? What are they and how do I determine mine?" Those are great questions actually because there are multiple variations of type. I think what happens with each variation is you get another degree of clarity about the nature of the type itself, it's different flavors and expressions. So tune in as I break it down for you and Aaron.

Claire Diaz-Ortiz first discovered the Enneagram in 2005 and typed herself as an Enneagram One. When Ian first interviewed Claire in Season One, she came onto the show sharing her life through the lens of a One. But the more she and Ian dug into her narrative, the more Ian began to sense there was more to Claire's story. Ian suggested she consider reading up on Enneagram Threes...and she did.

Today, Claire returns to reveal how her research into Enneagram Threes has had impacted her and helped her become "quiet enough to listen" so real, deep change can happen.

Claire Diaz-Ortiz is an author, speaker and Silicon Valley innovator who was an early employee at Twitter. Named one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company, she holds an MBA and other degrees from Stanford and Oxford and has been featured widely in print and broadcast media. She writes a popular business blog at ClaireDiazOrtiz.com and is the award-winning author of eight books that have been published in more than a dozen countries.

To learn more about Claire, visit www.clairediazortiz.com.

Kicking off season two, Claire Diaz-Ortiz returns to reveal how her research into Enneagram Threes has had impacted her and helped her become "quiet enough to listen" so real, deep change can happen.

Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers. They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people. Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out.

In this week's episode of Typology, we revisit our Panel of Twos who describe what it's like to view life through the eyes of The Helper. So, tune in and listen as the loud-laughing, contentedly uncool mom of three teenagers, Tia Coffey, Vanderbilt University fundraising specialist and stand-up comic, Geoff Little, and singer-songwriter-author, Andrew Greer join Ian to talk about finding the balance between giving enough and giving to the point of burn out.

Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers.  They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people.  Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out. This week we revisit our Panel of Twos where Tia Coffey, Geoff Little, and Andrew Greer talk about finding the balance between giving enough and giving to the point of burn out.

Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you'll discover while we revisit this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing."

Check out Rob's latest book, What Is the Bible?, and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events.

Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you’ll discover while we revisit this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing."