Race and racism are crucial topics in our national dialogue. And when we think of race, we might naturally think of one's skin color. But someone who is black can have white skin. So what is race? And what is the difference between race and racism? Two researchers say we are getting it all wrong and that biological race is a myth. But they say that socially-defined race and racism are real and very present in America. Tune into this podcast as we discuss the complexity of biology and ethnicity, how years of racial discrimination and prejudice have shaped the way we view humanity, and, most importantly, how we can think differently about race to create a more inclusive society.

Podcast Guests:

Natalie Devora, Author of "Black Girl White Skin: A Life In Stories"

Dr. Joseph L. Graves Jr, Professor of biological sciences at North Carolina A&T State University, co-author of “Racism, Not Race: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions”

Dr. Alan Goodman, Professor of biological anthropology at Hampshire College, co-author of “Racism, Not Race”

Terry and Michele Wright, Co-Founders, National Organization of African Americans with Cystic Fibrosis

Lauren Michele, Black blogger with Cystic Fibrosis