Untangled Faith

". . . what happened to me isn't as important as what happened in me." Dr. Chuck DeGroat

What happens if you make the change, take the leap or blow the whistle? And what could you learn from those who have? 

In each episode this season Amy Fritz talks with brave individuals who were faced with the opportunity to speak out about something they saw that was broken or unhealthy or unsafe, and decided to do something. We’re going to talk about what it was like to make the decision, what they decided, and what happened when the dust settled.

Join Amy Fritz for her brand new podcast, Going First. Coming October 1, 2024.

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Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions.

What’s his origin story as an attorney?

The origins of GRACE.

Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches.

NDAs

Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of  #churchtoo reporting?

Who did Billy Graham vote for? (Just kidding. Boz didn’t completely clear this one up for us!)

Links:

Sexual Abuse Attorney For Victims | Boz Tchividjian Sexual Abuse Lawyer (bozlawpa.com)

GRACE:

GRACE (netgrace.org)

Diane Langberg at the Caring Well Conference:

Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores – Diane Langberg on Vimeo

Boz at the Caring Well Conference:

Winter Inside the Church and Hope for Spring – Boz Tchividjian on Vimeo

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Ryan Ramsey joins Amy Fritz to offer encouragement for those wounded in their faith community.

If you've been hurt and feel alone, I know this conversation will encourage you.

Links:

Ryan Ramsey

Under the Unpredictable Plant by Eugene Peterson

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This episode is part 2 of the conversation that Amy Fritz and Melissa Hogan started in the previous episode. Amy shares more of what she was seeing in Ramsey Solutions that felt very similar to news of scandal with other Christian ministries and leaders. In this conversation Melissa and Amy talk about over two dozen resources they found helpful in recognizing and processing abusive and/or unhealthy organizations, understanding the hurdles whistle-blowers have to telling the truth, and the voices that gave them courage to speak up.

You can find the full list of resources at the podcast website: Untangled Faith Podcast 

Links:

 Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney

 Julie Roys 

Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds

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Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan for a conversation about how they realized they were connected to an unhealthy organization.

Amy and Melissa met when Melissa's husband at the time, and Nathan, Amy's husband, were working at Ramsey Solutions. In this episode they talk about how the events happening in the Evangelical world in 2018 and 2019, along with different strategic resources, helped to open their eyes to red flags in the organization.

Links: 

The Way of the Dragon of the Way of the Lamb 

PhD dissertation from Wade Mullen

 Bill Hybels abuse report

 James MacDonald reporting by Julie Roys

 Rachael Denhollander speaks up about abuse at Sovereign Grace

 Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney

 Julie Roys

 Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds

 The Body Keeps the Score

 Afraid of the Doctor 

Steve Hassan, cult expert

 Melissa J. Hogan

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On Episode 2 of the Untangled Faith Podcast, Dr. Gary David Stratton joins Amy Fritz to discuss  Zach Stewart's pastoral plagiarism. Mary DeMuth joins us again to talk about what healing looks like on the other side of spiritual abuse, and we hear the second part of Colleen's story of what happened after discovering that her pastor had plagiarized hundreds of sermons.

 Links: Episode 1: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse and Part 1 of Colleen's Story Honesty Matters: The Problem of Pastoral Plagiarism Ask Bob: What should I do about a pastor who is plagiarizing sermons? Gary Stratton Mary DeMuth We Too: How The Church can Respond Redemptively to the Sexual Abuse Crisis. Wade Mullen CH Spurgeon Lectures to my Students

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We're no longer releasing new episodes of the Untangled Faith podcast. Instead, we'll be re-sharing some of the old classic episodes. Thanks for supporting the podcast!

On the first episode of The Untangled Faith Podcast, Amy has a conversation with author and speaker, Mary DeMuth about the characteristics of a spiritually abusive environment.  We also hear from the first in our series of wounded resisters as Colleen shares part 1 of her story of discovering her pastor was hiding a big secret from their congregation. Show links:

• 10 Ways to Spot Spiritual Abuse | Mary DeMuth

Amy shares her decision regarding the future of the Untangled Faith podcast.

Thanks so much for your support over the last three years.

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Chuck DeGroat returns to the Untangled Faith podcast with host Amy Fritz to explore the transformative work of moving from self-awareness to self-regulation and how our response to shame changes everything.

“I call the work that I do sometimes excavation work, because we're removing rubble. . .There's a lot of rubble that has kept me inwardly oriented and not as merciful or more prone to bitterness than prone to justice as I do my own work. And as I identify these parts of me that are self-protective, and befriend them and bless them and offer peace to them, there is a sense in which we all can live from that deep heart God created us for in love, goodness, faith, gentleness, meekness. . .And so I often say in the work that I do, the greatest asset is that I'm working with image bearers.” - Chuck DeGroat

In this episode we:

- Address the repercussions of the Calvin University president's resignation and its ripple effect on community leaders.

- Discuss the need for self-awareness in understanding one's actions as incomplete without self-regulation

- Discuss the delicate balance between speaking out on issues and exercising prudence in engagement.

- Unpack the concept of shame, its link to narcissism, and the importance of having strategies to work through it.

- Share personal stories that highlight our relationship with shame in relationship dynamics.

Other Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/07/13/46-when-narcissism-comes-to-church-guest-chuck-degroat/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/08/10/51-celebrities-for-jesus-guest-katelyn-beaty/

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Content Note: There is discussion regarding abuse in this episode. Please take care when listening.

Author, Ryan George, joins Amy to share his personal experience of leaving a high-control religious community, and what it was like to realize, while listening to a podcast, that his dad was a serial abuser. He also shares what pulled him out of the IFB world and what that means when it comes to helping others.

Buy Ryan's book: Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/09/27/97-when-mlms-come-to-church-guest-chris-staron/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/08/16/91-navigating-the-intersection-of-faith-politics-guest-kaitlyn-schiess/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

 https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz