Dr. Diane Langberg joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss her insights on abuse within the church and her latest book, "When the Church Harms God's People."

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In this episode, we:

• Explore the evolution of understanding abuse and trauma over the past five decades with Dr. Langberg.

• Discuss the misconceptions surrounding abuse and domestic violence within Christian communities.

• Examine the bravery required for victims to speak up and how church leaders should respond to disclosures of abuse.

• Address the importance of protecting individuals over preserving institutions or marriages.

• Consider what true repentance looks like for perpetrators and how mercy and love can be extended to them responsibly.

• Look at the challenges faced by survivors and the need for vigilance and wisdom in church settings.

• Highlight the essential role of education and training for leaders in recognizing and responding to abuse situations.

Featured Guest

• Dr. Diane Langberg

Resources mentioned

• When The Church Harms God's People https://amzn.to/4lbpqsn

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Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church.

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In this episode we talk about:

• How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this?
• Proximity as an antidote to implosion.
• An update on my former pastor who plagiarized most of his sermons and personal stories.
• Ghostwriting
• Plagiarism
• What is the role of the consumer?

Featured Guest

• Katelyn Beaty https://katelybeaty.com

Resources mentioned

• Faithful Counseling https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

• Buy Katelyn's book: https://amzn.to/3AaCGaY

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Caleb Campbell joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss his journey from pastoring to becoming an author, and how to engage lovingly with Christian nationalists.

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In this episode we:

• Explore Caleb Campbell's background and transformation from a neo-Nazi skinhead to a church pastor.

• Discover the origins and motivations behind Caleb's book on Christian nationalism.

• Reflect on the challenges pastors face in navigating cultural and political divides, particularly within the past decade.

• Reframe the approach to Christian nationalism as a mission field rather than an enemy to combat.

• Consider practical steps for engaging in meaningful, compassionate conversations with those holding nationalist views.

Featured Guest

• Caleb Campbell https://www.disarmingleviathan.com

Resources mentioned

• Faithful Counseling https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

• Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor https://amzn.to/4hEwCdi

• The Quiet Damage: QAnon and the Destruction of the American Family https://amzn.to/4hEwCdi

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Dr. Beth Allison Barr joins Amy Fritz to talk about the how women's roles in church ministry have changed throughout history.

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In this episode we:

• Dive into the origins and unexpected reactions to Barr's previous work, "The Making of Biblical Womanhood."

• Explore how Barr's experiences as both a historian and pastor's wife influenced her latest work.

• Unpack the historical context of ordination and the roles women played in early church leadership.

• Reveal how cultural forces and economics, rather than biblical mandates, have historically dictated views on women's roles.

• Discuss the Southern Baptist Convention's shifting stance on women's ordination in response to social and cultural changes.

• Shine a light on current issues within the SBC, including the connection between power dynamics and handling of abuse cases.

Featured Guest

• Dr. Beth Allison Barr https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/598817

Resources mentioned

• Faithful Counseling- get 10% off here: BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today

• Beth's book:  https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/598817

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Marty Duren joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to explore the intersections of faith, politics, and societal issues.

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In this episode Amy and Marty:

• Talk about Marty's journey away from the Moral Majority

• Discuss the impact of Christian Nationalism and how that's different than patriotism

• Consider how proximity changes how we understand different issues.
• Talk about why Marty hates the word "impactful"!

Featured Guest

• Mary Duren Kingdom in the Midst - On Earth as It is in Heaven

• Marty on Bluesky: Marty Duren (@martyduren.bsky.social) — Bluesky
• Marty on Facebook: Facebook

Resources mentioned

• Faithful Counseling- get 10% off here: BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today

• Marty's Book, The Disparate Ones https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-disparate-ones-essays-on-being-in-the-world-but-not-of-the-world/ae8b8e3c312ea6ff?ean=9781736282182&next=t&next=t

• Blood Brothers https://amzn.to/41qTiYq

• The Hundred Years' War on Palestine https://amzn.to/4i3G9fa

• Whose Promised Land  https://amzn.to/43lCULB
• A Stranger In the Land https://amzn.to/43lCULB

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Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to talk about a talk she gave at the Restore conference in Feb 2025.

What does it look like to search for safety after abuse?

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What we talk about:

• Finding safe community
• Establishing stability
• The cocoon stage
• Reckoning with imperfect communities
• The risk of truly living

Featured Guest

• Melissa J. Hogan (1) Res Ipsa with Melissa J. Hogan | Substack

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Dr. Karen Swallow Prior joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about conspiracy theories and what it looks like to be responsible consumers of information.

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In this episode we talk about

• What's a conspiracy theory?
• What's the appeal of conspiracy theories?
• How literature and media we consume forms our imaginations

Featured Guest

• Dr. Karen Swallow Prior https://karenswallowprior.com

Resources mentioned

• Holy Post Video about conspiracy theories: Why Do We Believe Conspiracy Theories?

• Dr. Francis Collins on The Bulletin https://www.christianitytoday.com/podcasts/the-bulletin/one-on-one-with-francis-collins

• I Cheerfully Refuse https://amzn.to/4jIoRFw

• The Evangelical Imagination https://amzn.to/411X9fG

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Attorney and Institutional Response Specialist Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast for a candid discussion about how communities and leaders should respond when there is a breakdown of trust in a marriage, especially when issues of abuse or infidelity are involved. What happens when we diagnose an abuse issue as a marriage issue?

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In this episode we talk about

• What communities, leaders, and friends should consider when addressing trust breakdowns in marriages.
• Why the first instinct to restore the marriage might be harmful.
• Common myths around quick-fixes such as short-term therapies and intensives.
• Practical steps and resources for leaders.

Featured Guest

• Melissa J. Hogan https://melissajhogan.substack.com

Resources mentioned

• GRACE https://www.netgrace.org

• Dr. Diane Langberg https://www.dianelangeberg.com

• Caring Well Conference 2019 ERLC National Conference - Caring Well on Vimeo

• Gretchen Baskerville About Me | Life-Saving Divorce

• Leslie Vernick Home - Leslie Vernick
• Natalie Hoffman Flying Free Support for Women in Abusive Relationships

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How well does the 1995 hit book, Left Behind hold up?

Amy Fritz is joined by author and podcaster, Jerry Dugan to talk about this cult classic.

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In this episode we'll cover

• The origin story of Left Behind

• Left Behind and end times speculation
• Who is the anti-Christ?
• The impact the book had on evangelical Christians in the US
• Failed end-times predictions 

Featured Guest

• Jerry Dugan

Resources mentioned

• This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

• Revelation For The Rest of Us

• Left Behind

• Much Ado About Nothing

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Lynna Sutherland, whom Amy refers to as the "Sharon McMahon of the PCA" stops by the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about her work in her ministry Advocacy From the Presbyterian Pew

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Amy and Lynna talk about

• What inspired Lynna Sutherland to start Advocacy from the Presbyterian Pew
• Complexity of the PCA
• How understanding the origin of the PCA helps Lynna in her work
• Current issues: DASA
• Advice for men in leadership in the denomination
• Advice for women

Featured Guest:

• Lynna Sutherland Presbyterian Pew

Resources mentioned

• Advocacy from the Presbyterian Pew: Presbyterian Pew

• Dr. Langberg on Russell Moore podcast Harm, Trauma, and Church Abuse - Christianity Today

• Darby Strickland Home | Darby Strickland

• Ian Sears case, Nashville Presbytery Nashville pastor ousted: A landmark in PCA abuse reformMee

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