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She had it all. Degrees from Harvard and Stanford, meetings with President Obama, a check from Beyoncé, and a company that saved over one million babies. But behind the accolades, Jane Chen was crumbling.
In this powerful and soul-stirring episode, Kelly Siegel sits down with Jane, cofounder of Embrace Global and author of Like a Wave We Break to uncover the truth about success, trauma, healing, and the brutal but beautiful work of learning to love yourself.
From surviving childhood abuse to finding peace through therapy, psychedelics, and silence, Jane opens up about her real-life journey from breakdown to breakthrough.
This isn’t a story about breaking, it’s about breaking open.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
💡 Why success without healing will destroy you.
💡 How childhood trauma shapes adult relationships.
💡 The power of psychedelics, meditation & internal family systems therapy.
💡 Why self-love is the foundation of all healing.
💡 The hard truth: you can’t heal if you won’t face your past.
💡 How to stop performing and start living authentically.
Main Points:
00:00 – Intro
04:31 – Jane's Childhood and Coping Mechanisms
06:15 – The Birth of Embrace Global
10:25 – The Journey of Self-love and Healing
13:01 – What the Wave Meant in the Book
15:13 – Relationships in the Lens of Trauma
19:38 – The Path to Healing
27:23 – Finally Saying "Enough."
28:26 – The Method That Helped With Healing
30:22 – Understanding Trauma and Its Impact
31:59 – Exploring Psychodrama & Finding the Ideal Father
35:02 – Reparenting and Personal Growth
41:40 – What It Takes to Truly Heal
42:19 – Silent Meditation Retreats
46:34 – Signs of Healing
48:25 – Confronting Parental Trauma
53:19 – Message to Younger Self
53:55 – Starting Your Healing Journey
55:51 – Final Reflections and Book Promotion
💬 What part of Jane’s story hit you hardest? The trauma, the healing, or the surrender? Share your truth in the comments 👇
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She had it all. Degrees from Harvard and Stanford, meetings with President Obama, a check from Beyoncé, and a company that saved over one million babies. But behind the accolades, Jane Chen was crumbling.
In this powerful and soul-stirring episode, Kelly Siegel sits down with Jane, cofounder of Embrace Global and author of Like a Wave We Break to uncover the truth about success, trauma, healing, and the brutal but beautiful work of learning to love yourself.
From surviving childhood abuse to finding peace through therapy, psychedelics, and silence, Jane opens up about her real-life journey from breakdown to breakthrough.
This isn’t a story about breaking, it’s about breaking open.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
💡 Why success without healing will destroy you.
💡 How childhood trauma shapes adult relationships.
💡 The power of psychedelics, meditation & internal family systems therapy.
💡 Why self-love is the foundation of all healing.
💡 The hard truth: you can’t heal if you won’t face your past.
💡 How to stop performing and start living authentically.
Main Points:
00:00 – Intro
04:31 – Jane's Childhood and Coping Mechanisms
06:15 – The Birth of Embrace Global
10:25 – The Journey of Self-love and Healing
13:01 – What the Wave Meant in the Book
15:13 – Relationships in the Lens of Trauma
19:38 – The Path to Healing
27:23 – Finally Saying "Enough."
28:26 – The Method That Helped With Healing
30:22 – Understanding Trauma and Its Impact
31:59 – Exploring Psychodrama & Finding the Ideal Father
35:02 – Reparenting and Personal Growth
41:40 – What It Takes to Truly Heal
42:19 – Silent Meditation Retreats
46:34 – Signs of Healing
48:25 – Confronting Parental Trauma
53:19 – Message to Younger Self
53:55 – Starting Your Healing Journey
55:51 – Final Reflections and Book Promotion
💬 What part of Jane’s story hit you hardest? The trauma, the healing, or the surrender? Share your truth in the comments 👇
🔔 Subscribe for weekly episodes with powerful guests who help you live, heal, and lead Harder Than Life.
→ → → SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST ← ← ←
👉 Apple
👉 Spotify
👉 YouTube
→ → → CONNECT WITH KELLY SIEGEL ON SOCIAL MEDIA: ← ← ←
➡️ INSTAGRAM
➡️FACEBOOK
➡️LINKEDIN
➡️TIKTOK
➡️ WEBSITE
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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