What happens when a pastor admits, “We made it worse”?

In this episode of Hey Tabi, licensed trauma therapist Tabitha Westbrook sits down with pastor Matt Chandler for an honest conversation about how uninformed church systems have harmed abuse survivors - often unintentionally, but deeply. Tabi didn't provide any questions in advance and Matt didn't shy away from anything asked.

Together, they explore what happens when churches lack training in domestic abuse, coercive control, & trauma dynamics, & how good intentions can still cause devastating harm. Matt speaks candidly about past failures, institutional blind spots, & what true repentance & reform actually requires.

Inside this conversation:
⛪️ Why abuse is often missed in Christian marriages and churches
⛪️ How church systems can unintentionally side with abusers
⛪️ Why trauma-informed training is essential for pastors and elders
⛪️ What accountability and repentance should look like in the Church

Where to find Matt:
https://www.pastormattchandler.com/
Matt's latest book - Awake and Alive: A 30-Day Challenge to Revive Your Faith - https://a.co/d/gLywHJp

Where to get trained:
Pastors that would like to get educated on abuse or schedule a Protect the Flock training for your church, reach out to Called to Peace Ministries - https://calledtopeace.org/.
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