So much of making a jump is learning to run your own race, and ignore what others might be doing. Few know that better than Christina Hobbs and Lauren Billings, who together have forged a successful career as romance writers under the shared pen name Christina Lauren.

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Startup incubator Y Combinator has helped tons of people make jumps, so its president Sam Altman is uniquely positioned to know what goes into one. It turns out, his advice for making a big change in your career comes down to something very simple.

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Joey Zwillinger wasn't especially interested in shoes growing up, but his passion for sustainability led him to co-found Allbirds, a rapidly-growing footwear company. In conversation, Zwillinger preaches the virtues of patience in making a jump, among other lessons.

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Sheryl Sandberg shares the story of how her immigrant family led her to write the forward for the When To Jump book, and host Mike Lewis takes questions from the audience at the first event on the When To Jump book tour.

Production help for this week's episode by Andrew Stelzer.

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The popularity of Shake Shack hamburgers can be traced to an altogether different sort of culinary experience: Founder Danny Meyer's time as a tour guide for Italy's best trattorias. Learn how Meyer turned his love of Italian food into one of America's most popular burger chains.

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Sometimes, jumps can fail. And sometimes, you have to fail a lot before you hit success. Few know that better than Joe Gebbia, a designer and cofounder of Airbnb. Mike Lewis talks to Joe about how he grew up, and what motivated him to disrupt an industry, almost by accident.

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This week's episode isn't so much about making a jump, but helping others make jumps of their own. David Rusenko and Chris Fanini are the co-founders of Weebly, a service that allows for easy building of a web site -- often one of the first things any jumper needs before going into business for themselves. In a wide-ranging conversation with host Mike Lewis, Rusenko and Fanini detail how Weebly came about, how the platform grew, and how they connect with their own community of jumpers.

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On this special live episode at Harpoon Brewery in Boston, Mike Lewis answers questions about his own jump, and how Corey Griffin helped him pursue his dream before his untimely passing four years ago. He is joined by two "jumpers" writes about in his book: Harpoon cofounder Dan Kenary, and blogger Laura McKowen.

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Most jumps are made to help one's self. But sometimes, jumps can be made to serve others. Essence editor-in-chief Vanessa K. De Luca's jump fits in the latter category, as she took a pay cut to leave her job in retail to start from the bottom run in the world of fashion journalism.

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