Ayahuasca Podcast with Sam Believ

Why integration matters more than the ceremony with Marc Aixala

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In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast, host Sam Believ (founder of www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Marc Aixalà, a Barcelona-based psychologist, psychotherapist, and former engineer who has become a leading figure in psychedelic integration. Marc is trained in integrative and strategic therapy, is a certified holotropic breathwork facilitator, has worked on MDMA and psilocybin clinical trials, collaborates with ICEERS, and authored Psychedelic Integration (Synergetic Press).

We touch upon topics of:

  • Marc’s path from engineer to psychologist (01:01–02:57)
  • How he defines integration & why definitions fall short (03:25–05:40)
  • Marc’s metaphors for integration (puzzle pieces, astronaut, developing photos) (05:40–08:40)
  • Sam’s grocery-shopping metaphor & Marc’s response (08:45–10:49)
  • Two types of integration: crisis vs. growth (10:49–13:55)
  • Seven categories of difficult experiences (13:55–17:10)
  • Preventing harm through preparation & facilitation quality (17:10–18:46)
  • Dose management and psycholytic vs. high-dose models (21:26–26:23)
  • Self-inflicted overdosing & patient expectations (26:23–27:51)
  • Positive/growth integration & the importance of immediate rest (27:51–30:33)
  • Long-term integration: outer behavior vs. inner insight (30:33–32:13)
  • Seven dimensions of integration (spiritual, cognitive, emotional, physical, behavioral, social, time) (32:13–35:33)
  • Avoiding extremes: materialism vs. magical thinking (35:33–36:52)
  • Why people resist integration & who should be concerned (36:52–39:53)
  • Overuse of psychedelics and the risks of “more is better” (45:01–48:33)
  • Spiritual bypassing & misunderstanding ‘light only’ approaches (48:33–52:10)
  • Indigenous approaches vs. Western integration culture (53:08–56:25)

    • If you would like to attend one of our Ayahuasca retreats go to www.lawayra.com

    Find more about Marc Aixalà at:

    Instagram: @marcaixala
    ICEERS Training & Integration Programs: https://www.iceers.org
    Book: Psychedelic Integration (Synergetic Press)

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