The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria

Why Your Behavior Plan Stinks!!! Session 180 with Merrill Winston


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This recording was a fun and way-overdue Patreon member hangout with the incomparable Dr. Merrill Winston. In this episode, we discussed how Greg Hanley influenced Merrill's departure from his previous employer, how he wanted to do more than be considered as the restrain and seclusion guru, his new enterprise, Winston Behavioral Solutions, when it's OK to break the rules, and much more. 

As a matter of fact, we spent the most amount the hangout discussing what makes a good behavior plan (and conversely, why some of them stink!). 

This session started out in an interview format, but we quickly transitioned to Q and A with the attendees, and what resulted was a genuinely enjoyable conversation amongst several experienced Behavior Analysts.

And if you don't listen to anything else, you have to listen to the hilarious story that Merrill closes the hangout with. While I'd love it if you listened to the podcast in its entirety, you could be forgiven for skipping to the end to hear it. 

Here are some links to things that came up in Session 180:

  • Merrill's new company/website.
  • Callahan et al. (2019). Behavioral Artistry: Examining the Relationship Between the Interpersonal Skills and Effective Practice Repertoires of Applied Behavior Analysis Practitioners.
  • Before Rosa Parks, There Was Claudette Colvin.
  • The Patreon Group!
  • Merrill's first and second appearances on the show.
  • Shoutout to Dr. Paulie Gavoni (grab his latest book here).
  • Correlation between self-reported rigidity and rule-governed insensitivity to operant contingencies (Wulfert, Greenway, Farkas, Hayes, and Dougher, 1994).
  • Who was Troy McClure?

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