In this episode, we're joined by Donna Orem. Donna became president of NAIS in 2016. Before that, she served as NAIS's chief operating officer for 11 years. But, she began at NAIS in 1998 as the vice president for educational leadership and later became the vice president for strategic initiatives and research. Now, 25 years later, Donna is heading into the next chapter in her career: retirement. Today, Donna shares her wisdom with us, along with some real talk about the progress toward gender equity of leadership in independent schools and where we can go from here.