Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes REIT industry veteran David Auerbach, Chief Investment Officer at Hoya Capital and publisher of The Daily REITBeat Newsletter. David shares his 25-year journey in the world of real estate investment trusts (REITs), helping listeners understand how REITs work, how they fit into a balanced portfolio, and why they're a powerful option for long-term, income-focused investing.

They break down the differences between public and private REITs, explain why REITs can be a great entry point for investors seeking exposure to commercial real estate, and discuss how dividend income plays a central role in REIT performance. David also explains how REITs provide accessibility, transparency, and liquidity that most traditional real estate investments can't.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How REITs offer an accessible, flexible way to gain exposure to real estate
• The importance of dividend income and holding long-term for compounding returns
• Ways to evaluate REITs based on asset type, such as multifamily, industrial, or senior housing
• What sets public REITs apart in terms of liquidity, reporting, and transparency
• REITs give access to diversified commercial real estate without requiring large amounts of capital or property management.
• Long-term investing in REITs is more effective than chasing short-term gains.
• Factors like interest rates and treasury yields that influence REIT performance
• Smart portfolio positioning strategies that include REITs alongside stocks and bonds

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with Niyi Adewole—real estate investor, short-term rental operator, and investor-friendly agent—to discuss the journey from first house hack to a thriving real estate business. Niyi shares how he transitioned from medical device sales to building a 30-unit portfolio in Louisville, Kentucky, before shifting into short-term rental management, new development, and becoming a trusted guide for other investors through his real estate team and podcast.

Jonathan and Niyi explore the realities of house hacking, the importance of building systems, and why consistency and a long-term outlook matter more than chasing quick wins. Niyi offers advice for new investors, from how to get started in a high-interest-rate environment to what to look for in a truly investor-friendly agent.

In this episode, you will hear:

• What led Niyi to house hacking, and how it helped him build early momentum

• Lessons learned from managing rentals, handling evictions, and scaling with systems

• How a move to Atlanta sparked a shift into full-time real estate entrepreneurship

• Tips for investors navigating short-term and mid-term rental strategies

• How to vet property managers and protect your cash flow

• The difference between a real estate agent who says they work with investors and one who actually does

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan is joined by Gary Lipsky, founder of Break of Day Capital, to explore what it takes to succeed in multifamily real estate syndication. Gary shares how he went from buying his first fixer-upper in Los Angeles to managing over 3,200 apartment units across Arizona. With an emphasis on transparency, due diligence, and investor education, Gary discusses how his firm evaluates markets, selects value-add properties, and builds long-term relationships with investors.

They dive deep into the differences between Class A and B assets, what makes a market like Tucson attractive for syndicators, and how Gary's entrepreneurial background helped him scale while staying focused. The conversation also covers how passive investors should evaluate operators, what strong communication looks like, and why a conservative, consistent approach beats chasing the highest returns.

In this episode, you will hear:

• What drew Gary to the Tucson market, and how he evaluates its long-term potential

• Key indicators he looks for when assessing Class B value-add properties

• Traits of trustworthy syndicators and how passive investors can vet them effectively

• The role of conservative underwriting in building a sustainable investment strategy

• How consistent execution and strong communication help operators earn investor confidence

• Ways to educate potential investors without overselling or overpromising

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Patrick Grimes, founder of Passive Investing Mastery and Invest on Main Street. Patrick shares how a painful first deal during the 2008 crash reshaped his investing mindset, leading him to focus on long-term wealth accumulation, cash flow, and true portfolio diversification. What began with single-family rentals eventually expanded into large multifamily syndications, recession-resilient markets, and alternative assets, including litigation finance and debt funds.

Patrick walks listeners through how he helps investors build a balanced portfolio by spreading risk across multiple, non-correlated asset classes. He also highlights why active professionals don't need to become landlords to grow wealth, and how the right mix of passive investments can lead to financial security and freedom.

If you want to diversify beyond traditional real estate while keeping property in your portfolio, this episode is packed with practical strategies and new perspectives.

In this episode, you will hear:

• The early investment mistake that shaped Patrick's long-term approach to wealth building

• What makes multifamily syndications a powerful tool for scalable, passive income

• Where litigation finance fits into a diversified real estate investment portfolio

• Ways debt funds provide stable returns outside of traditional equity deals

• Differences between passive and active investing for busy professionals

• The role of education and networking in avoiding common investor pitfalls

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with Jessie Lang, founder of Unlocked Rentals and author of "Rentals Made Easy," to explore her journey from a $92,000 condo to a self-managed 70+ unit portfolio. Jessie shares how she unknowingly began house hacking out of necessity, transitioned into full-time investing, and eventually found her stride using the BRRRR method and private money.

From Craigslist roommates and DIY renovations to managing properties remotely and building a team, Jessie reveals how she scaled her business without skipping the hard work. She discusses the power of meetups, mentorship, and trusting your instincts, especially when the traditional path doesn't fit. Jessie also talks about her mastermind community, the launch of her new book, and why she still prefers single-family rentals over multifamily deals.

This episode is a must-listen for investors looking to grow with intention, learn how to self-manage successfully, and avoid common pitfalls on the way to financial freedom.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How Jessie Lang went from living with roommates to profiting from rentals before she saw herself as an investor

• Why house hacking and the BRRRR method became her foundation for growth

• The turning point that led her to leave her W-2 and go all in on real estate

• The benefits of single-family rentals, tenant retention, and pet-friendly properties

• How she self-manages remotely, builds systems, and trains her team

• What inspired her to launch a mastermind and write "Rentals Made Easy"

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with Jonah Bamberger, managing partner and executive chairman of Aulder Capital. Jonah shares the full arc of his real estate journey—from early value-add deals in Brooklyn to large-scale multifamily, hospitality, and international development in Portugal.

What began as a side project with a friend quickly became a full-time business as the duo capitalized on post-2008 opportunities. Jonah dives into how Aulder Capital adapts to shifting markets, navigates regulatory hurdles, and chooses when to pivot between markets, asset classes, and hold periods. He also talks about the realities of managing thousands of units, dealing with difficult tenants, and maintaining high performance while still aiming to make a positive community impact.

Whether you're an active investor, passive LP, or someone exploring international real estate, this episode offers a real-world perspective on how to scale with discipline and intention.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How Jonah got started in Brooklyn with rent-stabilized, value-add multifamily deals

• Why Aulder Capital expanded from New York to the Southeast, Midwest, and even Portugal

• The pros and cons of holding vs. flipping, and how market conditions drive those decisions

• What it really takes to manage thousands of units and stay mission-focused

• How syndications allow newer investors to get exposure without the management stress

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Ben Carmona, Managing Partner at Perch Wealth, to break down the mechanics and opportunities of the 1031 exchange. With over two decades of experience, Ben clarifies a complex process that can intimidate even seasoned investors. He shares how real estate owners, especially those nearing retirement, can defer taxes, move into passive income streams, and preserve wealth through tools like the Delaware Statutory Trust (DST).

Jonathan and Ben cover everything from early planning to misconceptions about like-kind exchanges. They also explore how investors can use 1031s to scale smarter, reduce active management headaches, and take advantage of private equity-style syndications.

Whether you're a baby boomer ready to slow down or a younger investor exploring long-term tax strategy, this episode will help you see 1031s and DSTs in a whole new light.

In this episode, you will hear:

• What a 1031 exchange is and how it helps defer taxes

• How Delaware Statutory Trusts (DSTs) enable passive investing with 1031 proceeds

• The importance of early planning and working with real estate-focused advisors

• How to avoid common mistakes like mishandling funds or missing deadlines

• Why syndications and diversification matter for today's investors

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Laura Navaquin—a mother, entrepreneur, and real estate investor who built her portfolio from the ground up alongside her husband. Starting with a credit card-funded mentorship and no prior experience, Laura began wholesaling in New Jersey and eventually scaled their portfolio to over 20 doors across six states.

Laura shares her evolution from side hustler to full-time investor, revealing how consistency, networking, and creative financing became the pillars of their growth. She breaks down the realities of managing a diverse real estate portfolio, the learning curve of self-management, and the challenges of rapid expansion. Laura also opens up about her shift in priorities—from corporate success to financial freedom and time with family—and how her mindset helped her embrace uncertainty.

Whether you're just starting or looking to scale your investments, this episode offers a real-world look at how strategic action and steady effort can build something meaningful over time.

In this episode, you will hear:

• Wholesaling can be a great entry point, but it takes hustle and realistic expectations

• Investing in mentorship is really an investment in yourself

• Scaling quickly is exciting, but evaluating portfolio performance is essential for long-term success

• Creative financing and networking for unlocking deals that traditional methods can't

• Defining your version of success and staying consistent

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In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan sits down with Paul Moore, Founder and Managing Partner of Wellings Capital, a private equity firm specializing in recession-resistant real estate investments. With a rich background in entrepreneurship and investing, Paul shares his evolution from speculative investor to a disciplined advocate of Warren Buffett's principles, emphasizing the power of saying "no" and prioritizing long-term, stable investments.

The conversation explores the importance of rigorous due diligence, operator selection, and maintaining a conservative investment strategy. Paul explains how Wellings Capital evaluates hundreds of deals to handpick only the most viable ones, ensuring a high margin of safety for investors. He also dives into undervalued asset classes such as self-storage and mobile home parks, highlighting their growing demand and often misunderstood reputation.

You'll gain insight into the mechanics of private equity investing, including how Wellings structures its diversified funds, the role of trust and relationship-building with operators, and the social impact of responsible investing. Paul also shares his firm's commitment to combating human trafficking through philanthropic efforts.

This episode is a must-listen for high-earning professionals looking to deploy capital wisely and anyone seeking a mindful, value-driven approach to real estate.

In this episode, you will hear:

• The best investors say "no" to most deals

• The importance of discipline

• Mobile home parks and self-storage offer stable, recession-resistant returns

• Due diligence should be multi-layered and uncompromising

• Investing with integrity can align with creating social impact

• Diversified private equity funds offer reduced risk and access to top-tier operators

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In the real estate world, mobile home parks aren't viewed as a glamorous asset class, but today's guest explains why you should give this asset class a second look.

On today's episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan interviews Jack Martin, co-founder of 52TEN. Jack began his real estate career in Arizona, where he sourced off-market properties and acquired and sold over 2,000 single-family homes, as well as more than 900 apartment units. In 2016, Jack entered the mobile home park business. Since then, he's acquired 1,500 mobile home park lots.

Jonathan and Jack start their conversation with Jack's introduction to real estate investing through Carleton Sheets as an 18-year-old in the military. Jack outlines the misconceptions about mobile homes and parks, what drew him to parks versus single mobile homes, and the two things that excited him about mobile homes over other asset classes. Jack explains why amenities appeal to mobile home park residents, who those amenities attract, how he chooses a geographic location for investment, and the importance of vertically integrating property management into a mobile home park strategy. As their discussion winds down, Jack shares how implementing technology can simplify management, the tax benefits associated with mobile home parks, and what to look for in a park when vetting the investment.

Real estate investors may be sleeping on the opportunities mobile home parks offer, and Jack Martin outlines exactly why this asset class deserves a second look.

In this episode, you will hear:

• Jack Martin's introduction to real estate through Carleton Sheets at 18 years old in the military
• Misconceptions surrounding mobile homes and mobile home parks
• Why Jack began buying mobile home parks versus single mobile homes
• The two things that excited him about buying mobile homes versus other asset classes
• The most expensive event that occurs for investors with rental property
• Creating amenities that appeal to residents and the type of residents they attract
• Choosing an appropriate geographic location with net population growth
• The importance of management and vertically integrating it into your strategy
• Implementing technology in managing mobile home parks to simplify
• How Jack educates others on this asset class and the tax benefits that come with it
• What to look for when you're vetting a mobile home park investment

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