In this conversation with Saniel Bonder and Linda Groves Bonder we explore the spirit/matter split, an integrative approach to spiritual inquiry, inner polarization, the core/heart wound, “second birth awakening” and the breadth of experience post awakening.

Saniel Bonder is the co-founder of the Human Sun HEART Work. He has devoted his adult life first to a 20+ year spiritual quest and then to "democratizing enlightenment" by transmitting and teaching this work for more than three decades. As a prolific author, teacher, and coach, Saniel has helped high-performing teams and hundreds of individuals achieve their greatest potential. His books include Waking Down, Healing the Spirit/Matter Split, Great Relief, and The White-Hot Yoga of the Heart.

Linda Groves-Bonder is the co-founder of the Human Sun HEART Work and has personally assisted many individuals into stable whole-being awakeness. A former professional artist, singer/songwriter, and actress, Linda holds a B.S. in Art Education from Ball State University.

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