Most people don’t like conflict. In fact, many of us try to avoid it at all costs. When it comes to relationships, conflict is usually thought of as bad. But, what if conflict was actually a sign of a healthy relationship?

CrisMarie Campbell and Susan Clarke don’t shy away from conflict—in their relationship or in business. At their coaching and consulting company, Thrive! Inc., they encourage other couples, teams, and individuals to face their fears and break down the barriers to addressing healthy conflict. In their opinion, happy relationships are not always easy—and that’s okay.

Join Dr. Marie Murphy in this episode of Your Secret is Safe With Me as she sits down with CrisMarie Campbell and Susan Clarke, relationship experts and the Co-founders of the coaching and consulting firm, Thrive! Inc. Listen in as CrisMarie and Susan help dispel common myths about conflict, share a 15-minute exercise that may just save your relationship, and explain how to do relationship math. The results might surprise you! Stay tuned.