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What if thinking isn’t always your greatest asset?

In this episode, Boysen sits down with psychotherapist, meditation teacher, and author Charles Eigen to explore the surprising ways our thinking can become a barrier to clarity, connection, and peace.

Drawing from Internal Family Systems (IFS), Zen practice, and decades of therapeutic work, Chuck shares how most of us are conditioned to live in our heads—often at the cost of our emotional awareness and embodied experience.

Together, they unpack:

•  The difference between thinking and thoughts
•  Why anxiety lives in the future—and how to come back to the present 
•  How “parts” of ourselves can hijack our reactions 
•  The role of awareness as the deeper ground of who we are 
•  Practical tools to shift from reactivity to presence 
•  How to bring mindfulness into conflict and communication 

This conversation offers a grounded, compassionate approach to personal growth—one that doesn’t try to eliminate thoughts, but instead helps us relate to them differently.

Whether you’re new to this work or deep on the path, this episode invites you to step out of your head… and into a fuller experience of being alive.

📘 Chuck’s book: When Thinking Is a Problem

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