Money is a taboo subject in any situation—but when it comes to relationships, talking about finances can feel downright impossible. With financial stress being one of the top causes of divorce, it’s no wonder that most of us would rather avoid the topic altogether. But, according to Couples Financial Coach Adam Kol, skirting the conversation often only makes things worse.

With years of experience helping couples sort out the messy details around love and money, Adam Kol will be the first to tell you that avoiding these conversations is a quick way to start building resentment. As he says, perhaps we should be less afraid of what happens when we have these conversations—and more afraid of what happens when we don’t. Fortunately, Adam has the tools to help you start talking so that you can keep your relationship and finances healthy.

Join Dr. Marie Murphy in this episode of Your Secret is Safe With Me as she sits down with Couples Financial Coach, Adam Kol, to discuss why people dread having conversations about money with their partners. Together they talk about why financial communication is so important, the benefits of opening up, and the consequences of avoidance. Plus, Adam explains how to get these conversations started and offers some pointers on navigating common mistakes. Stay tuned!