Brandon Weber, Co-founder & CEO of Nava Benefits, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about why benefits have become the second-largest company expense — and how HR can “moneyball” their healthcare spend, cut down on benefits-related admin work, and deliver better employee outcomes through the emerging “alt marketplace.”

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(07:07) Brandon’s Founder Journey and 10-Month Sabbatical Spark

(14:06) The Broker as Market Maker: Distribution Problem in Employer Healthcare

(16:27) Why Benefits Are Strategic: From Cost Center to Business Lever

(18:28) Benefits Jumped to #2 Company Expense and a Talent Magnet

(20:53) HR Holds the Healthcare Purse Strings for Half of America

(21:15) Being Strategic with a Small People Team

(21:39) Explosion of Benefits Complexity (from ~6 to ~20 offerings)

(26:47) Status-Quo “Stockholm Syndrome” and Breaking the Cycle

(28:51) 2025 Renewal Pain Driving Change

(31:02) Automating Benefits Admin

(33:11) The “Alt Marketplace” of Health Plans, PBMs, and Point Solutions

(33:39) Examples of "Alt Marketplace": Garner Health Network Design; Sidecar Health Price Transparency

(40:58) Agentic Future: Auditing Carrier Bills and Auto-Remediation

(42:18) Renewal Season AI: From Spreadsheet Chaos to Real-Time Scenario Modeling

(43:16) Zapier Example: Benefits Help Desk and the Real Cost of Repeated Questions

(45:06) Nava’s AI Strategy for HR: Support, Admin Automation, Smarter Spend

(47:35) “Moneyball” Your Benefits Spend with Data Science

(48:06) Why Brokers’ 20-Year Spreadsheets Fail HR and CFOs

(51:05) Rapid Fire Questions

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