Or is there even an after? K.J. Ramsey writes in her book This Too Shall Last, that "this is not a before and after story," because maybe the secret to grief is that we carry it with us as we flow through life.

Maybe the secret is not a secret. It is our bodies, gifted, endowed by God with tools to help us move from alarm to calm and panicked to peaceful. We continue the conversation about ambiguous loss today and talk about how we can move through grief in a way that can form and transform us with therapist, writer, and theologian K.J. Ramsey.

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Our special thanks as well to Dr. Pauline Boss and Lou Kurtz of the Great Lakes Mental Health Technology Transfer Center Network for letting us use the audio of Dr. Boss speaking.

K.J. Ramsey (BA, Covenant College, MA, Denver Seminary) is a licensed professional counselor and writer. She is the author of This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers , and her writing has been published in Christianity Today, RELEVANT, The Huffington Post, Fathom Magazine, Health Central, and more on the integration of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. Follow her across social media at @kjramseywrites.