I met Chris on a hike in Hollywood and within minutes we discovered we were both sober. Chris is retired, leads hikes in LA, has two grown sons, and has been in AA for 35 years.

In this episode, I ask him all the AA questions I’ve always wanted to ask — about meetings, sponsorship, long-term sobriety, and what actually keeps someone alcohol-free for decades. Chris shares openly, with wisdom, humility, and plenty of laughs.

If you’ve ever been curious about AA or what 35 years sober really looks like, this conversation is for you.