In this week’s cozy catch-up, Lauren and Michelle dive deep into two topics that had them thinking, laughing, and nodding in agreement: Taylor Swift’s highly anticipated appearance on New Heights and the powerful, perspective-shifting book Quit Like a Woman by Holly Whitaker.

They unpack Taylor’s surprisingly relatable take on caring less and how refreshing it was to hear her talk boundaries and the beauty of not giving a damn.

From there, the convo shifts to Quit Like a Woman—a must-read that examines the sneaky grip alcohol has on women’s lives and how liberation can sometimes come in the form of putting down the wine glass. Lauren and Michelle share personal reflections, “mom wine culture” observations, and why curiosity (not shame) should always lead the way when it comes to reevaluating our relationship with booze.

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