On this episode: Pablito and Rob bumper. Nate and Aaron may be striking or joining SAG. Pablito considers mug shots.

Our Guest: Nate and Aaron interview our guest, Chuck Degroat. His experience includes: Professor of pastoral care and Christian Spirituality and Executive Director of the Clinical Mental Health Counseling Program at Western Theological Seminary in Holland Michigan, author, pastor, therapist, spiritual director, husband, and father. Narcissism expert Chuck teaches us about the differences between narcissist behavior and narcissistic personality disorder. He explains the nine faces of narcissism. Understanding how narcissism can be a way of coping with pain. Chuck also briefs us on the history of narcissism in the church and ways to heal and recover.

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