My 2 guests today created and will co-facilitate The Hour Before Dawn

A Program for Inheritors of Wealth with Family Ties to the Nazi Regime who want to take ancestral responsibility and create a more just world.

(https://www.irisbrilliant.com/the-hour-before-dawn)

Iris Brilliant is a money coach based in Berlin, Germany. She guides wealthy people who are confused or conflicted about what to do with their money to create a deeply liberating vision and plan for their wealth. She has recently shaped her career to fight fascism globally.

Justine Epstein is a facilitator and mentor for people with inherited wealth who want to examine the histories of their ancestors and money, and take meaningful action to address these legacies. Her approach combines ancestral research, contextual history, political education, wealth redistribution and divestment, with embodied mindfulness, ritual, connection to the natural world, and creative expression.

They both come from wealthy families. You're about to hear how they've done intense personal work AND justice work. I'm swooning on that combination and it's a combination of work I aspire to do. You'll hear me ask them some challenging questions. You know, the stuff people who have wealth don't usually talk about in public? They talk about that stuff with a ton of transparency. I think it's courageous.

Here's some of what we talked about:

• Iris and Justine's journeys with generational examination and healing around wealth
• Navigating wealth and relationships
• Shame, guilt, and transformative healing and action
• Building their collaborative partnership
• Creating and facilitating their program: The Hour Before Dawn
• Addressing the Palestinian genocide

Show notes at https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast/246