THE Exclusive: In this episode, Charlie and Ben reflect on their contrasting experiences at the most recent General Conference. Charlie had a positive and hopeful experience, while Ben felt deeply hurt and ostracized by certain messages. As they discuss the positives and negatives, the conversation shifts away from the conference itself and becomes more focused on personal pain and frustration. Ben shares his struggles with feelings of exclusion, while Charlie tries to validate his pain but struggles to fully connect with its source.

This leads to a tense moment between the two, as they try to understand each other’s emotions but find it hard to see eye to eye. The episode sheds light on how, as LGBTQ members of the church, things that may seem harmless or unremarkable to others can be deeply triggering. It’s an honest exploration of how two people can have different emotional responses to the same event and the complexities of supporting one another through those differences.

IN the Scriptures: This week Clare Dalton is joined by Dr. Kristine Coons to explore the cautionary tales found the books of Mormon and Ether. They delve into the profound lessons learned from the destruction of two civilizations, reflecting on how these narratives serve as powerful reminders of the consequences of turning away from God. Throughout their discussion, Clare and Dr. Coons emphasize the unwavering truth that God is always willing to partner with us, providing light even in our darkest moments. They highlight the importance of humility and open dialogue in fostering understanding and growth, showcasing how we can learn from one another to illuminate our paths.

OUT and About: Iese Wilson takes us to New Zealand where Shaquaila Uelese opens up about growing up, discovering her identity, and embracing the Māori term Takatapui. While her family initially struggled with her coming out, their love helped her reconnect with God and heal her testimony. Shaq also shares the inspiration behind her nonprofit, Nevertheless, which helps people heal from shame, and offers powerful advice to anyone who feels different.

ALL Together: In this compelling episode, hosts Liz Macdonald and Michael Soto sit down with Mayor John Giles of Mesa, Arizona, to discuss the groundbreaking journey of passing an LGBTQ+ nondiscrimination ordinance in the city. Mayor Giles shares the intricate process of engaging with community members and church leaders, highlighting the challenges they faced in a polarized environment.

Listeners will gain insights into the collaborative efforts that were crucial for overcoming resistance, as well as the personal stories that fueled their commitment to justice and inclusion. The episode emphasizes the importance of building strong relationships within the community, demonstrating how these connections ultimately led to the successful enactment of legislation that enhanced protections for millions. Tune in to hear about the power of dialogue and the impact of community-driven change.

In this live event from the gather conference, Charlie and Ben discuss the future of the podcast and where things are headed

In this episode Ben and Charlie discuss future plans for the podcast, the gather conference, and get an update on how dating has gone for Ben

Season 6 has come to a close! Ben and Charlie are joined by Sound Guy Mike to talk about the highlights from the season, including another AI written segment! Things are getting shaken up for Season 7 - keep an eye on our instagram for more. 

Ben and Charlie are joined by historian Barbara Jones Brown to discuss how they work through difficult things that past church leaders have said.

Ben and Charlie are joined again by Kade Cope to discuss how they deal with moving forward when they have felt stuck.

Ben and Charlie are joined by Kade Cope to discuss how we can balance loving God and loving our neighbors.