Why eat local? What if it isn’t easy? What if the things I want aren't available? What's the point? Alison and I have both considered these questions for ourselves and factored them into decisions that we’ve made about how we live our everyday lives. We didn’t make the changes overnight, and we don’t even suggest people do so. After the many books we have read, the real-life experiences we have had, and guests we have interviewed on the subject of factory farming vs humane peasant farming, we have come to some conclusions about eating local that might surprise you. They might not be the conclusions or the “arguments” you were expecting.

This episode features an aftershow which could possibly be described as a little bit salty, where some spicier opinions came to the fore. It was impossible to include everything we had to say and keep the main episode at a reasonable length of time. If you want to hear this aftershow as well as over 140 other episodes on our more informal, private podcast Kitchen Table Chats, hop over to ancestralkitchenpodcast.com/join and join at companionship or above level. Thank you for your continued support and to all the supporters, reviewers and listeners who made this episode possible.

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What We Covered:

• Simple breakfast, and pheasant in Britain
• A new, free rye resource from Alison
• What countries are our listeners coming from?
• How do they listen?
• See the full list on our podcast website
• Shout out to young listeners
• Why do we eat local?
• Eating like a human - behaving like a human
• What is farm-friendly food
• Is everything we eat local?
• Healthcare spending and food spending
• Money matters
• Our plan to save the world (it might shock you)
• What we can do
• What is our responsibility?

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Resources:

• To see the countries where we have AKP listeners, visit www.ancestralkitchenpodcast.com/downloads
• To get Alison’s Beginner’s Guide to Rye Sourdough, pop your details in the sign-up box that’s nestling inside either of these informative blog posts on her site:

https://ancestralkitchen.com/2021/01/04/everyday-wholegrain-sourdough-rye-loaf/

Or

https://ancestralkitchen.com/2025/04/14/how-to-make-sourdough-rye-bread-from-scratch/

Each of the episodes mentioned here includes an entirely packed show notes of further reading and links on that specific topic!

• Episode 46: Sir Patrick Holden
• Episode 116: Leftovers and Scraps in a Frugal Ancestral Kitchen
• Episode 103: 10 Nourishing Traditions Dishes Cheaper Than Supermarkets!
• Episode 102: The Guide to Getting Out of Supermarkets
• Episode 74: 14 Tips for Changing Your Food Habits
• Episode 69: Fake Food v Small Farms
• Episode 66: 50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet Part I
• Episode 67: 50 Ways to Save Money Part II
• Episode 50: 20 Small Steps to an Ancestral Kitchen
• Episode 4: The 5 Most Expensive (and Yet the Cheapest) Foods

Suggested Reading

• Leah's Rec: Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth (we haven't read this yet, but are reading as a podcast together starting in Jan 2026) 
• A Bold Return to Giving a Damn: one farm, six generations, and the future of food by Will Harris
• The Unsettling of America by Wendell Berry
• Jayber Crow by Wendell Berry
• The Art of the Commonplace: The Agrarian Essays of Wendell Berry by Wendell Berry
• Everything I Want to Do Is Illegal: War Stories from the Local Food Front by Joel Salatin
• The Revolution Will Not Be Microwaved: Inside America’s Underground Food Movements by Sandor Ellix Katz
• The Joel Salatin book we mentioned a number of times: Holy Cows and Hog Heaven: The Food Buyer’s Guide to Farm Friendly Food by Joel Salatin

His goal [with this book] is to:

• Empower food buyers to pursue positive alternatives to the industrialized food system

• Bring clean food farmers and their patrons into a teamwork relationship

• Marry the best of western technology with the soul of eastern ethics

• Educate food buyers about productions

• Create a food system that enhances nature’s ecology for future generations"

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

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The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

Back in episode 117, we gave you 26 nuggets of ancestral wisdom. We’ve got more. Another 24 to be precise. And just because these are in this second episode doesn’t mean they are any less important!

Over the next hour, on opposite sides of the Atlantic, with cups of tea in our hands we'll be channelling our great-grandma wisdom and bringing you some ancestral truths relating to food, creativity, family, health, work and life.

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.

To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!

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Resources:

Alison’s original blog post, 50 Things an Ancestral Lifestyle Has Taught Me

Episode 86: Your Stories

Share your stories here

Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth

Episode 87: Taking Your Health in Your Own Hands

Episode 56: Preparing Nutrient-Dense Meals From Scratch Every Day

Episode 12: Why I Gave Away My iPhone

Link to supporter extra:

Kitchen Table Chats Podcast Episode 31: Tasting Training with Lizzy Filoramo

Accompanying worksheet

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

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Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

Khorasan rye, spelt, emmer, millet, quinoa - what do all of these delicious foods have in common? They are considered ancient grains, grasses harking back to a time before industrial development and heavy hybridisation.

You are what you eat eats, and that goes for grains as well as anything else. The nutrients your grains are pulling up out of the soil are the ones you will find in your finished product. Grains are an incredible source of minerals and micronutrients when grown in a regenerative manner.

This is why today I am so excited to introduce you to Grand Teton Ancient Grains! You can find this incredible family business online at www.ancientgrains.com and in this episode I got to sit down with Jade Koyl, the owner of this incredible family farm, and learn more about the way they feed the soil, their crop rotations, grain storage, and how their family uses grains in their everyday diet; as well as why they started growing them in the first place.

Supporters can stick around for a couple minutes in the Aftershow on the private podcast, Kitchen Table Chats, where Jade shared some of the titles he's reading right now and a little more about his family life.

Everybody can check the show notes for both the link to his company's store as well as a link with an amazing wealth of recipes for utilizing ancient grains at https://www.ancientgrains.com/grain-recipes. Now, let's get to the show!

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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What we talked about:

• What did you last eat?
• Farm origin
• Why ancient grains
• Regenerative growing vs conventional
• Cover crops and rotating crops
• How they replenish their soil
• How to increase diversity of grains in the diet
• Working with sourdough
• How different grains behave
• Fresh-milled vs pre-milled
• Storing grains
• How they mill their flours
• What does never hybridised mean

The personal views and opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect our own personal views or opinions. We recognize that our guests are whole persons and this may include views we or our audience actively disagree with; our guests are invited to the show because we feel they have something valuable to share with us all, and we do not ask them to censor their personal views on air. Our sharing of their work is not necessarily an endorsement of their personal views.

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Resources:

• www.ancientgrains.com
• https://www.ancientgrains.com/grain-recipes
• Spelt Sourdough Everyday Cookbook by Alison Kay
• Episode 104 - Baking with Ancient Grains
• Episode 72 - All About Spelt Sourdough
• Episode 81 - Millet: How to use this sustainable, gluten and lectin-free grain
• Episode 41 - Wholegrain Sourdough Rye: Mastering the Basics
• The Ancestral Kitchen Podcast Guide to Milling Your Own Flour (and the Mockmill!)

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

In so many of our episodes over the last four years, we have explored how no food we eat is intrinsically ‘bad’. Instead, it’s what we as humans living in a rapidly globalising and industrialising world, have done to that food that causes problems. The topic of today’s episode, cacao, epitomises this. Originally, in its home, central america, cacao beans were revered and used unsweetened as a drink. Our world has taken and transformed them into an unrecognisable sugary commodity that fills the shelves of shops globally. A commodity that can, as Alison personally knows, through at 20, being addicted to the stuff and obese, ruin health.

But as ancestral cooks, we need not be scared. And our guest today knows that better than anyone we’ve ever come across. Marcos Patchett is a self-confessed cacao geek and has written two books on this bean’s wonders, the first of which, The Secret Life of Chocolate is 700 pages of incredible research, of which Alison has devoured every page!

Cacao is an incredibly nutrient-dense food and one that can give us both pleasure and health. Let’s talk about why, and, how, you should be eating chocolate.

Supporters of the podcast, check your private feed for a fascinating discussion on addiction that we just couldn’t squeeze into the main episode.

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

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What we cover:

• Why we should be eating chocolate
• Health benefits of cacao
• Anti-oxidants and how they work
• Cacao as suncream!
• Discussion on the stimulant effect of cacao, comparing it to the stimulants in coffee and tea and covering the different types of beans
• Wider discussion on habituation and how 'exciting' foods can be part of our life, healthily
• Reductionism in food culture and how cacao, just like every food, is more than the sum of its parts
• How we should be eating chocolate
• How cacao was originally consumed and what happened when it came to Europe
• Alison's experience making atoles
• Ways we can maximise cacao's health benefits in our own lives

The personal views and opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect our own personal views or opinions. We recognize that our guests are whole persons and this may include views we or our audience actively disagree with; our guests are invited to the show because we feel they have something valuable to share with us all, and we do not ask them to censor their personal views on air. Our sharing of their work is not necessarily an endorsement of their personal views.

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Resources:

Marcos has written two books on cacao:

The Secret Life of Chocolate (Alison has the hardback but this is also now available more economically as an ebook), and Pharmakakawa.

If you want to buy a copy of them, he is offering podcast listeners a 20% discount. Use the code CHOC20 on the publishers website: https://www.aeonbooks.co.uk

Marcos’ Instagram

Marcos’ herbalist website

Marcos is on You Tube as The Nocturnal Herbalist

Alison's course Bean-to-Bar Chocolate with No Special Equipment mentioned in the recording will guide you through making chocolate at home from the raw bean with equipment you already have in your kitchen

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

Ancestral food is not just all livers and bone broth! You not only can find amazing treats and desserts in the ancestral food world, but this is where delicious, comforting goodness was invented. The modern and industrial versions of sweet treats are like looking through a glass Pyrex pan darkly, and when you are introduced to the ancestral food world and the amazing ingredients we have available to us here you can in fact meet the richness and goodness of delicious treats face to face.

In this episode we share some of our favorite treats including a range of baked, custardy, dairy-free, gluten-free, or egg-free treats to keep you going all winter and into the spring. And the question I know which is burning in all of our hearts, is chocolate part of an ancestral lifestyle, can it be part of an ancestral life? Find out in this episode.

We also included a few of our favorite hot beverages - on a cold rainy day there is nothing better than wrapping your fingers around a hot steaming mug of something delicious and nestling in with a good book for a long afternoon … and then of course you gotta get up and put on your overalls and your hat and go back out into the rain and do the evening chores but that's ok, you've got something delicious to come back inside to!

For supporters of the podcast there is an additional download with a couple extra recipes for you (thank you for keeping us on the air!), and for everybody listening be sure to check the show notes, we linked the heck outta this one. Let us know if there are other sweet treats we should have mentioned or that you love!

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Meals at the Ancestral Hearth

Spelt Sourdough Every Day

Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics

Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course

Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

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To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!

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What we talked about and resource links:

• Tinaktak (Primal, Whole 30, Paleo, Gluten-Free, Grain-Free, Dairy-Free, Egg-Free, Soy-Free)
• Bonus download for supporters www.ancestralkitchenpodcast.com/downloads
• The principle of ingredients
• Valerie MacBean, Coconut Cookery
• Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig
• Ancestral Cookies
• Wholegrain Einkorn Chocolate Chip Cookies
• Jumbo Chewy Sourdough Oatmeal Cookies from our cookbook
• Meals at the Ancestral Hearth
• Comfort Foods episode
• Annual Christmas Hamper for supporters
• Rushbearer's Gingerbread
• The Prelude, by Wordsworth
• Tapioca Pudding
• Creme Brulee/Custard
• Spelt Sourdough Carrot Cake
• Bean to Bar Chocolate (subscriber's to Alison's newsletter get 15% off! www.ancestralkitchen.com to subscribe)
• The Secret Life of Chocolate episode
• GAPS Apple Crisp (gf, df) I said in the episode there was no recipe but I typed one up!
• Rachael's Bone Broth Hot Chocolate and linked in Plan to Eat
• Best Cheesecake Ever
• Ricotta with Honey or Berries
• Creamy Maple Eggnog (Andrea's long-lost prodigal recipe)
• Creamy Raw Eggnog
• Sweet Cheese Topping from Nourishing Traditions, page 541
• Raspberry Panna Cotta - can be made with coconut milk
• Raj's Chai
• Everyday Luxuries episode
• Honorable Mentions that didn't make the main feed:
• MUFFINS - but make it ancestral. Yoghurt, kefir, sourdough, fruit, scrambled eggs, meat, dried fruit, crumble topping, granola topping, butter, spelt, einkorn, etc. Move slowly when making changes to family favorites, and manage expectations.
• Sandy Debris Chocolate Chunk (what a terrible name) on my old blog With some kinda hilarious and nostalgic (for me) photos
• Kathie’s Lavender Hot Toddy
• My old favorite Paleo/GF Brownies
• Coconut Truffles - kinda like an almond candy bar (is that a thing in the UK?). Lots of ways to make variations.
• Anita’s Desserts - all SO good

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

As you know, if you’ve been cooking ancestrally for any length of time, the ancestral mindset does not stay in the kitchen! Some of us come to this as part of a health journey, already thinking about our life as a whole…others of us start with food and find the wisdom of our ancestors seeping into the rest of our lives. There are things we just can’t not see any more, things we feel are wrong; things we know are right.

We have, together, been living this lifestyle for over 25 years. And we were both on health journeys long before then. Our lives, not just our kitchens, have transformed.

In this episode you’ll hear 26 nuggets of wisdom. They are things we’ve learned, often the hard way, and things we have to remind ourselves of again and again as we step forward. Join us, and our community of listeners, as we share some truth.

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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The Fermentation Summit 2025 is a free, online gathering of top fermentation experts sharing their wisdom, recipes, and techniques—from sauerkraut and kimchi to miso, kefir, kombucha, and beyond. Whether you’re a curious beginner or a seasoned fermenter, this 3-day virtual summit offers practical, science-backed guidance and hands-on inspiration to help you master the microbial magic at home.

Name: Fermentation Summit 2025

Dates: October 21-23, 2025

Location: Online (Free Virtual Event)

Host: Holly Howe of MakeSauerkraut

https://ancestralkitchenpodcast.com/hollysummit

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Get our two podcast cookbooks:

Meals at the Ancestral Hearth

Spelt Sourdough Every Day

Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics

Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course

Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.

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5* reviews on Apple Podcasts, mean the world to us!

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Resources:

50 Things an Ancestral Lifestyle has Taught Me

The Myth of Olive Oil Use in Italy

Episode 66 - 50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet – Part 1

Episode 67 - 50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet – Part 2

50 Ways to Save Money on an Ancestral Diet PDF Download

Episode 50 – 20 Small Steps to an Ancestral Kitchen

Download the 20 Small Steps ebooklet for free by joining our newsletter!

Episode 29 - True Historical Italian Food with Karima Moyer Nocchi, Author of Chewing the Fat

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

Leftovers again? Oh good, I can’t wait! I love it when half the work is already done. In this episode we talked about leftovers as well as scraps and items that are often discarded in home kitchens. Let’s maximize those precious food dollars and make the meal stretch as far as possible! We went a little bit crazy sharing about all the ways we love using the trash items in our kitchen - including some of the actual trash. We asked our supporters in Discord for their ideas on using commonly wasted food items and oh boy they delivered! I could barely cram it all into this episode. Supporters of the podcast, check the downloads section of the podcast website. I dumped all my notes into a PDF and shared it there so you can hang it up inside your kitchen cupboard as reminders of how to frugally, efficiently and deliciously wring every penny out of that purchase! This episode got me hoping for some dry bread, a gallon of scrap whey, and a jar of bland egg whites! What could be more delicious!?

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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The Fermentation Summit 2025 is a free, online gathering of top fermentation experts sharing their wisdom, recipes, and techniques—from sauerkraut and kimchi to miso, kefir, kombucha, and beyond. Whether you're a curious beginner or a seasoned fermenter, this 3-day virtual summit offers practical, science-backed guidance and hands-on inspiration to help you master the microbial magic at home.

Name: Fermentation Summit 2025

Dates: October 21-23, 2025

Location: Online (Free Virtual Event)

Host: Holly Howe of MakeSauerkraut

http://ancestralkitchenpodcast.com/hollysummit

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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.

For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!

Get our two podcast cookbooks:

Meals at the Ancestral Hearth

Spelt Sourdough Every Day

Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics

Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course

Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.

To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!

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What we cover:

• The Fermentation Summit 2025
• Using the Bokashi for "useless" scraps and making compost tea
• How to use a wide range of kitchen scraps that we sometimes end up with an abundance of! Scraps include but are not limited to ...
• Leftover and stale bread
• Egg whites
• Tibicos and Milk Kefir grains
• Leftover porridge
• Eggshells
• Extra milled flour
• Fruit scraps from fermenting
• Berry seeds
• Whey - LOADS and loads of ideas for WHEY! How to ever have enough whey to use all these ideas!?
• And SO much more! There will be nothing left for the chickens by the time you finish this episode!

Supporters - find the podcast notes as a download at www.ancestralkitchenpodcast.com/downloads

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5* reviews on Apple Podcasts, mean the world to us!

Here's how you can leave one:

1. Open the Apple Podcast app
2. Find Ancestral Kitchen Podcast in your library
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Resources:

Alison's kvass

Bread Lasagna

The Nourishing Traditions Read-Along

Browse Our Bookshop

Nourishing Traditions for Children

A Cabin Full of Food

An Everlasting Meal

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

When life is overwhelming or busy, or I don’t know what to cook - What are a few simple meals I can have in my back pocket? As a person new to ancestral cooking, how do I know if my easy meal is ancestral or not? Can I still use my old cookbooks? In this episode, we will share four favorite easy, go-to meals that our families love. You will see how each of these meals evolve with the seasons for us, and we will share some of our best tips for making your favorite dishes ancestral. As a thank you for bringing these episodes to the public, we also have a special document for our paid podcast supporters at the 2nd tier on up with these four recipes written down. You’ll find this document by logging in to www.ancestralkitchenpodcast.com and going to the downloads section. If you want to support the podcast and grab this download as well as many others, visit our website or check the show notes. And now, on with the show.

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.

For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!

Get our two podcast cookbooks:

Meals at the Ancestral Hearth

Spelt Sourdough Every Day

Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics

Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course

Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.

To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!

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5* reviews on Apple Podcasts, mean the world to us!

Here's how you can leave one:

1. Open the Apple Podcast app
2. Find Ancestral Kitchen Podcast in your library
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4. Click on 'write a review', give us 5*s and then tell us why you love listening in the box below

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Resources:

Podcast supporter bonus: Four Easy Meals at www.ancestralkitchenpodcast.com

Episode 91 – 7 Meals in 1 Day!

Episode 56 – Preparing Nutrient-Dense Meals from Scratch Every Day

Our cookbook, Meals at the Ancestral Hearth, and Alison’s Spelt Cookbook, in our shop

Episode 83 – Meal Planning and Ancestral Food Rhythms with Rebecca Zipp

Episode 6 – Six Books We Love!

Episode 84: How to Get More (& Tastier!) Liver into Your Diet

Episode 100: What Is Ancestral Eating

Episode 50 – 20 Small Steps to an Ancestral Kitchen

Download 20 Small Steps by clicking on the link at the top of any page on ancestralkitchenpodcast.com

Monastery soup book in bookstore

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

Every month we record an entire extra podcast episode which goes up on our private podcast feed, Kitchen Table Chats, for our supporters to enjoy as a benefit of their financial support. In these episodes we chat about what is happening in our kitchens, big revelations or things we are studying or writing about, as well as answer questions sent in by our supporters.

Today we are sharing with you an episode that launched on the private podcast feed in March, and we answered a number of interesting questions from listeners including a very sticky one we frequently have been asked, and had to deal with in very personal ways before - what to do when people are critical or downright rude to you about the ways you choose to eat, or make snide remarks about ancestral or non-industrial foods. We also talked about the idea of finishing everything on your plate, and whether either of us subscribes to that idea. In addition we talked about the Nourishing Traditions read-along, which is open to everyone and can be found in the show notes!

To become a paid supporter of our podcast and enjoy more of these kinds of informal chats as well as many other lovely benefits, visit ancestralkitchenpodcast.com or just peek at the show notes.

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.

For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!

Get our two podcast cookbooks:

Meals at the Ancestral Hearth

Spelt Sourdough Every Day

Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics

Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course

Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.

To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!

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What we cover:

Cooking Liver Nourishing Traditions read along happening this year (and you can hear more on the KTC live from February!)

Alison's anti anti-nutrient hummus

Do you eat everything on your plate? Do you under-serve and go back for more?

Over-eating in humans v. animals

How do you handle nay-sayers? How do you stand your ground when people attack your lifestyle and say it's crazy/wrong?

What we ate at the UK supporter meet up!!

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5* reviews on Apple Podcasts, mean the world to us!

Here's how you can leave one:

1. Open the Apple Podcast app
2. Find Ancestral Kitchen Podcast in your library
3. Scroll down to 'ratings and reviews'
4. Click on 'write a review', give us 5*s and then tell us why you love listening in the box below

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Resources:

The Nourishing Traditions read along

Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay

Today, we're bringing you an episode of the podcast that originally went out in 2022. It's about fermenting, but fermenting with a twist – fermenting your kitchen waste to make microbe-rich compost that, as we know from personal experience, will transform the plants you grow.

This fermentation process, called bokashi, can be done in the house, it has no smell and neither does it attract flies. You'll get both compost and compost tea to use inside and outside the home.

In this episode, we'll detail how bokashi works, talk about the bacterial inoculant that is used to ferment the food waste so efficiently, and then we will actually interview the US and Canada supplier that makes the two-bucket system that we both use.

In the US & Canada, check out the bokashi system here and use code AKP for 10% off.

In the UK, Wiggly Wigglers have a 10% discount for our listeners. Click here and when you checkout the discount will be automatically applied.

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One Earth Health make the grass-fed organ supplements we use and trust. Get 15% off your first order here and 5% off all subsequent orders here.

For US listeners, we recommend Grand Teton Ancient Grains. They sell regenerative, organic flours and berries that can satisfy all your baking needs. Stock up and get free shipping at AncientGrains.com

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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.

For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!

Get our two podcast cookbooks:

Meals at the Ancestral Hearth

Spelt Sourdough Every Day

Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics

Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course

Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.

Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.

Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.

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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!

Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.

To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!

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5* reviews on Apple Podcasts, mean the world to us!

Here's how you can leave one:

1. Open the Apple Podcast app
2. Find Ancestral Kitchen Podcast in your library
3. Scroll down to 'ratings and reviews'
4. Click on 'write a review', give us 5*s and then tell us why you love listening in the box below

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Do you have memories, documents, recipes or stories of those who cooked ancestrally? If so, we would love to hear from you! Visit our website here for how to share.

Thank you for listening - we'd love to connect more:

The podcast has a website here!

Alison is taking a break from Instagram. You can stay in touch with her via her newsletter at Ancestral Kitchen

The podcast is on Instagram at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast

The podcast is mixed and the music is written and recorded by Alison's husband, Rob. Find him here: Robert Michael Kay